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but are we SURE Kibler isn't using advance hypnotism techniques when he shuffles his cards so quickly
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Yawgmoth posted:Well then they failed on that angle too because it doesn't at all. It adds layers of complexity, certain cards are better/worse than they were originally, but ultimately there's no real strategic changes; you're still gonna try to kill Guy A over Guy B in a double block situation, the only change is how you go about doing it. And the way you go about doing it is now an additional two steps with a bunch of weird edge cases where there weren't before. It's a giant loving waste that really only comes up in like 2% of games, and when it does it's fantastically annoying. Its for stuff like mogg fanatic and sakura tribe elder. Before, you always stack damage then use their effect, now, you have a choice which affects the board state a lot more. Edit: the removal of mana burn made magus of the vineyard worse. Also vineyard itself. But braid of fire is better!
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Oct 30, 2014 18:54
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I Love You! posted:Hey guys, it's Thursday and that arbitrarily means I'm streaming UR Modern Delver/Cruise! https://www.twitch.tv/tedsternator, watch me murder this assshole playing infect which can't even Treasure Cruise, what a dummy! BRB jamming four cruise into infect.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:55
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I Love You! posted:Hey guys, it's Thursday and that arbitrarily means I'm streaming UR Modern Delver/Cruise! https://www.twitch.tv/tedsternator, watch me murder this assshole playing infect which can't even Treasure Cruise, what a dummy!
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Oct 30, 2014 18:55
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Snacksmaniac posted:BRB jamming four cruise into infect. Works for burn, why not.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:58
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FIXED https://www.twitch.tv/tedsternator Cruisin' to round 2 after a super salty infect player bitched and then ragequit with potential lethal on the board!
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Oct 30, 2014 18:59
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Boco_T posted:but are we SURE Kibler isn't using advance hypnotism techniques when he shuffles his cards so quickly I think Kibler wins because he can just flip his hair, giggle coyly, and leave his opponents flustered. 
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Oct 30, 2014 18:59
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Pinterest Mom posted:I think Kibler wins because he can just flip his hair, giggle coyly, and leave his opponents flustered. a good user name/post combo
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Oct 30, 2014 19:12
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odiv posted:I dunno man. In his most recent draft video his opponent cast Ride Down on the creature blocking Zurgo Helmsmasher, Duke regenerated the creature, but then didn't take the trample damage. Sounds like mtgo being mtgo rather than anything Reid had any control over. And did he end up winning that match well over 20 life anyways?
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Oct 30, 2014 19:13
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:The real complexity is what constitutes lethal when there is protection and prevention effects and banding andshit floating around. So this is one that I'm never really clear on. Huge creature with trample is blocked by a small creature with protection from the big creature. Half of me wants to say the attacker just can't deal damage so nothing happens, the other half of me says that protection prevents the damage assigned but trample says the attacker only has to assign what would be lethal (like in the case of things like fog bank, it doesn't soak all the damage from a trampling attacker just the first two) and the remainder tramples through. I think the first case is true, but the second case feels mechanically more correct. It gets worse when the trampling attacker has deathtouch too.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:13
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If Brian 'Brian Kibler' Kibler has been cheating we already would have seen a self aggrandizing post on his blog about it as well as the Brian 'Brian Kibler' Kibler stream about how to cheat in MTG, featuring Shiro! Order your playmats now!
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Oct 30, 2014 19:14
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^^^  Boco_T posted:but are we SURE Kibler isn't using advance hypnotism techniques when he shuffles his cards so quickly Shiro rubs up against your leg and makes noises, you look down to pet him.. and Kibler tutors for the best card in his deck. It's the classic two-man con.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:14
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Olothreutes posted:So this is one that I'm never really clear on. Huge creature with trample is blocked by a small creature with protection from the big creature. Half of me wants to say the attacker just can't deal damage so nothing happens, the other half of me says that protection prevents the damage assigned but trample says the attacker only has to assign what would be lethal (like in the case of things like fog bank, it doesn't soak all the damage from a trampling attacker just the first two) and the remainder tramples through. I think the first case is true, but the second case feels mechanically more correct. The second case is correct. Not sure on the deathtouch situation, though. My intuition is that you would only need to assign one to the protection dude but I'm not sure.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:21
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Olothreutes posted:So this is one that I'm never really clear on. Huge creature with trample is blocked by a small creature with protection from the big creature. Half of me wants to say the attacker just can't deal damage so nothing happens, the other half of me says that protection prevents the damage assigned but trample says the attacker only has to assign what would be lethal (like in the case of things like fog bank, it doesn't soak all the damage from a trampling attacker just the first two) and the remainder tramples through. I think the first case is true, but the second case feels mechanically more correct. Attacking with Green Trampling 6/6, Blocked by 3/3, Pro-Green. You must assign at least 3 damage to the blocker (which would be lethal), 3 damage tramples through. The damage to the creature is prevented (the D in DEBT). Attacking with Green Trampling 6/6 Deathtouch, Blocked by 3/3, Pro-Green. You must assign at least 1 damage to the blocker (which would be lethal due to deathtouch), 5 damage tramples through. The damage to the creature is prevented (the D in DEBT), so deathtouch does not make the blocker die.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:22
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Devor posted:Attacking with Green Trampling 6/6, Blocked by 3/3, Pro-Green. You must assign at least 3 damage to the blocker (which would be lethal), 3 damage tramples through. The damage to the creature is prevented (the D in DEBT). Yeah, I just looked it up, the relevant rule is 702.19b and gives a very similar example. Turns out the judge at my local store is wrong and I will enjoy being right (which is my favorite thing to be).
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Oct 30, 2014 19:29
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The thing that confuses the gently caress out of me is that Jared Boettcher was a plat level pro. I didn't realize what this means until I just looked it up. · Member is invited to World Magic Cup Qualifiers in his or her country · Member receives two byes at each World Magic Cup Qualifier in his or her country · Member is invited to all Pro Tours. · Member receives a $3,000.00 USD appearance fee whenever he or she competes in a Pro Tour · Member receives expenses-paid air travel ticket and hotel accommodations at all Pro Tours during the current season* · Member receives a $1,000.00 USD appearance fee if he or she competes in the World Magic Cup. · Member receives a $500.00 USD appearance fee if he or she competes in a World Magic Cup Qualifier. · Member receives a $250.00 USD appearance fee whenever he or she competes in a Grand Prix · Member receives a complementary sleep-in special at all Grand Prix (where available) · Member receives 20 QPs for each Magic Online Championship Series season This poo poo is just bananas. So this means he was either good enough to earn this already and hosed it up by cheating every so often or he was never good enough without cheating.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:36
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Sickening posted:The thing that confuses the gently caress out of me is that Jared Boettcher was a plat level pro. I didn't realize what this means until I just looked it up. If he was willing to risk that much by cheating, I would say he was never that good.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:38
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Olothreutes posted:So this is one that I'm never really clear on. Huge creature with trample is blocked by a small creature with protection from the big creature. Half of me wants to say the attacker just can't deal damage so nothing happens, the other half of me says that protection prevents the damage assigned but trample says the attacker only has to assign what would be lethal (like in the case of things like fog bank, it doesn't soak all the damage from a trampling attacker just the first two) and the remainder tramples through. I think the first case is true, but the second case feels mechanically more correct. I always hated this rule. If something has protection or prevents combat damage (Fog Bank) I feel like the trample shouldn't go through. Just my stupid opinion. Magic is so dumb sometimes
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Oct 30, 2014 19:43
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:I always hated this rule. If something has protection or prevents combat damage (Fog Bank) I feel like the trample shouldn't go through. Just my stupid opinion. The real problem is that the rules weren't super well thought out initially and both protection and trample are keywords from the very beginning of magic. Interactions back then were far less well tested or explained so weird poo poo like this happens when we try to update these things now that we have a several hundred page rulebook. I will enjoy killing the poo poo out of people with Uril now when they try to block with a 2/2 pro green creature in commander.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:47
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The flavor seems fine to me. Some little creature is magically immune so it stands up unharmed after a giant monster stepped on it, but wasn't big enough to actually slow it down much on its way. Or in the case of fog bank, the creatures with trample are Entropic fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Oct 30, 2014 |
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Oct 30, 2014 19:53
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It gets even worse with damage prevention effects and other replacement effects (e.g. Furnace of Rath) involved. But yeah the whole reason we're in this mess is because pre-6th edition Magic was a rules wasteland that required poo poo like this: All in all I'm impressed the rules are as consistent as they are given the amount of history this game has behind it. They're not always straight-forward, but they're consistent.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:55
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The stack seems so obvious and sensible that I have a hard time even remembering how the previous system worked and why there had to be interrupts.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:58
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Why are people still playing non-treasure cruise decks in modern events, I swear to god free wins are cool and all but what the hell is everyone thinking?
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Oct 30, 2014 19:59
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I wanna play something that maindecks Rest in Peace
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Oct 30, 2014 20:00
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Entropic posted:I wanna play something that maindecks Rest in Peace Helm of Obedience combo.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:02
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rabidsquid posted:Helm of Obedience combo. The only decks I've seen use this are Rest in Pieces and Enchantress. Go with Rest in Pieces. It's put up results in the last two years. 
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Oct 30, 2014 20:04
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The only decks I've seen use this are Rest in Pieces and Enchantress. For awhile it was seeing play as a sideboard option in Miracles too, I wonder if we'll see that come about again. Enchantress is wonderful. Any format where I can kill my opponent by attacking them with Cloud of Faeries I am going to do it.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:06
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Boettcher is appealing and maintains his innocence. I find his arguments unconvincing. http://www.examiner.com/article/magic-player-jared-boettcher-addresses-dci-suspension-and-shufflegate In short, 
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Oct 30, 2014 20:11
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The only decks I've seen use this are Rest in Pieces and Enchantress. There's a modern version (it doesn't have the draw engine, it's really more like Stax) that you could maindeck RIP if you wanted. That deck is actually pretty good in a meta without a lot of tron and UWR control
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Oct 30, 2014 20:15
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Olothreutes posted:So this is one that I'm never really clear on. Huge creature with trample is blocked by a small creature with protection from the big creature. Half of me wants to say the attacker just can't deal damage so nothing happens, the other half of me says that protection prevents the damage assigned but trample says the attacker only has to assign what would be lethal (like in the case of things like fog bank, it doesn't soak all the damage from a trampling attacker just the first two) and the remainder tramples through. I think the first case is true, but the second case feels mechanically more correct. You must deal what WOULD be lethal. If i have a 10/10 trampler and you block with a 1/1 with protection, if I could kill it, I would have to deal 1 damage to it. So 9 tramples over. The same rule applies with deathtouch. 1 damage is lethal if you have deathtouch, so a trampling deathtouch creature only has to deal 1 damage to anything before trampling over. It is a pretty simple rule, you must deal what would be lethal damage.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:17
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Boettcher is appealing and maintains his innocence. I find his arguments unconvincing. I hope he is enjoying fall and looking forward to Thanksgiving with all the delicious pumpkin delights available.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:18
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Why does anything that's remotely similar to a controversy get referred to as ______Gate.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:24
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Boettcher is appealing and maintains his innocence. I find his arguments unconvincing. Bertoncini played unsanctioned Vintage when he couldn't play sanctioned Magic anymore also. This was after about a year of suspension and Vintage TOs thought he learned his lesson and turned over a new leaf. 
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Oct 30, 2014 20:26
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Elyv posted:Why does anything that's remotely similar to a controversy get referred to as ______Gate. Watergategate
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Oct 30, 2014 20:27
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Elyv posted:Why does anything that's remotely similar to a controversy get referred to as ______Gate. Because Nixon ruined everything for almost everyone (in the USA).
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Oct 30, 2014 20:27
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Entropic posted:The stack seems so obvious and sensible that I have a hard time even remembering how the previous system worked and why there had to be interrupts. Technology is fun, isn't it? The original Star Wars card game laid down the foundation of the stack and response mechanic through its use of interrupts. Magic built on that with 6e as I recall.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:40
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Holy poo poo, how had I never seen this before.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:59
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odiv posted:I dunno man. In his most recent draft video his opponent cast Ride Down on the creature blocking Zurgo Helmsmasher, Duke regenerated the creature, but then didn't take the trample damage. I love how he spent the whole game keeping track of his actual life and his MTGO life. I wonder if he would have conceded if he got to 7? I Love You! posted:Why are people still playing non-treasure cruise decks in modern events, I swear to god free wins are cool and all but what the hell is everyone thinking? Because I'm 18/1 against Treasure Cruises decks, which are the only decks anyone plays?
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Oct 30, 2014 21:02
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God, I hope I don't have to play modo where I can't shuffle my opponent's deck- oops, did I say that out loud?
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suicidesteve posted:Because I'm 18/1 against Treasure Cruises decks, which are the only decks anyone plays? What on earth are you playing?
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