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Cowslips Warren posted:I fear it's worse, I AM MR. SMITH. You don't catcall other women?
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Walter is my cousin, not a crazy person, but likes to joke with me about being a dumb liberal(all in good fun) Chris is a good friend who after joining the Army in 2004 started buying in to the Right Wing hysteria. Hannity is his favorite dittohead which should tell you a little bit. No doubt I could have handled this better and not been so aggressive, but peddling lies about a dead kid while defending his murderer gets my blood boiling.  My last post was cut off:  edit: update (Mike is me, Juan is my buddy)  Last one probably. Jesus gently caress! Guys... "This was a huge 'kid', a bad dude and a guy who felt he was cornered by the police for strong-arming (yes, that is what it was) a shopkeeper b/c he didn't want to pay for some cigars. " 
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Oct 30, 2014 14:20
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I really don't get the Chappaquidick jokes, it's been what 40 goddamn years? Old Ted had been dead for what almost 4 years already. I get it was done shady poo poo. But for fucks sake, that one kid only joined the army in 2004? He wasn't even alive when it happened. Christ I could get the old Freeper types holding on to it cause they're old bitter assholes who were at least alive when it happened. But it makes no sense for younger people to hold on to it. And it's even worse that all Republican malfeasance Jay goes right down the loving memory hole with the American people.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:31
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It shouldn't be thought of as anything more than a signifier of liberals getting special treatment (affirmative action, gay marriage, an obsequious media, hate crime legislation, Black History Month) and getting away with a heinous crime (voter fraud, Benghazi!, Fast and Furious, death panels). The actual details of the incident, who were involved, and when it occurred are ultimately irrelevant.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:40
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Cowslips Warren posted:Wait, you mean mandatory gun ownership for white Christian men? To crosspost from the pyf idiot thread, I found this guy on a local news station's reporting of that video. So the catcalling isn't really that bad, but even if it is it doesn't really matter because women control the world with their lady bits, but it's really not anyways because he totally hosed a waitress this one time. Also something about gay people flaunting it(I assume his fear of gay men catcalling him??).  KomradeX posted:I really don't get the Chappaquidick jokes, it's been what 40 goddamn years? I think it's just another version of "Remember that time Democrats did something lovely 59 years ago? Who's the assholes now? Probably not Republicans because that thing from 59 years ago.  "
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Oct 30, 2014 16:44
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I guess that makes sense but it's so retarded especially when you have Joe Scarborough who were he not a Republican would be considered to have murdered a staffer of his while being a congressman. And if all you can bring up is Kennedy you would think that maybe your line of reasoning isn't so great. It's like if Democrats used the Teapot Dome Scandal add proof of Republican wrong doing. I just stunt get how these fucks are so made our of Teflon. I get that what passes for journalism today is a bunch of chickenshits to afraid to question power cause they might lose their "access." Is the most aggravating thing about republicans and their smug supporters. And yeah my knowledge on the situation is pretty sketchy all I know is something about drunk driving abs he bailed street the crash leaving the woman in the car where she drowned that's it. I got into an argument with a friend the other week where I said Bill O'Riley is responsible for the murder of Georgia Tiller. And she refused to believe that, chocked it up to me just hating the guy. And said well wasn't he? When I kept hammering away with Tiller the Baby Killer. She didn't do this cause she's a supporter, she's fairly liberal. But she was a journalism major and it worries me if more of them are disconnected from the power that words have over people especially when they come from trusted news sources
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Oct 30, 2014 16:53
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We're talking about people that generally believe that Lincoln being a Republican 150 years ago is somehow relevant today, so in that context it's no surprise they think Chappaquidick is relevant.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:56
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Amused to Death posted:To crosspost from the pyf idiot thread, I found this guy on a local news station's reporting of that video. So the catcalling isn't really that bad, but even if it is it doesn't really matter because women control the world with their lady bits, but it's really not anyways because he totally hosed a waitress this one time. Also something about gay people flaunting it(I assume his fear of gay men catcalling him??). What the hell does 'gone swav' and 'not being brought enough' mean? I can't comprehend it.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:57
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Amused to Death posted:To crosspost from the pyf idiot thread, I found this guy on a local news station's reporting of that video. So the catcalling isn't really that bad, but even if it is it doesn't really matter because women control the world with their lady bits, but it's really not anyways because he totally hosed a waitress this one time. Also something about gay people flaunting it(I assume his fear of gay men catcalling him??). "So if catcalling random female units on the street is bad what's next: all men being put in a gas chamber??? Also this waitress one time lent me and some random female unit her apartment to bone."
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Oct 30, 2014 17:00
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Cowslips Warren posted:Wait, you mean mandatory gun ownership for white Christian men? Amused to Death posted:To crosspost from the pyf idiot thread, I found this guy on a local news station's reporting of that video. So the catcalling isn't really that bad, but even if it is it doesn't really matter because women control the world with their lady bits, but it's really not anyways because he totally hosed a waitress this one time. Also something about gay people flaunting it(I assume his fear of gay men catcalling him??).
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Oct 30, 2014 17:36
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Men would LOVE to be catcalled. OH YEAH that attention from women would be AWESOME! At least, that's what defenders claim. God, it's such a stupid, appalling behavior that I (a man) cannot wrap my head around it. Men who say that are imagining getting cat-called by hot women the want to gently caress. If they were incessantly accosted and groped by women repulsive to them they'd be complaining about it even without the implied threat that these women could just decide to rape them.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:46
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I'm sorry to rehash this known thing, but I made this back when I learned of the "orbital fracture" bullshit. If you've seen this on Twitter, it's mine:
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Oct 30, 2014 18:07
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But did everyone stand up and applaud when you finished "ravaging" her?
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Oct 30, 2014 18:18
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My friends must be an an argumentative mood today. This is just all over the place. Warren is someone who I routinely debate with about the min wage increase. Which usually ends in "poor people deserve it". He's a "from the gut" type who never bothers to read anything that counters what his gut tells him. The whole "increase the cost to import" thing coupled with "prices will skyrocket if taxes/min wage is raised" is really  to me. But I'm not an economist. Tera is my SiL, I have no idea what she means.  What? 
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Oct 30, 2014 18:41
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All those farmers in Mexico displaced by NAFTA just had no skills and should starve.
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Oct 30, 2014 19:10
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This showed up from a distant cousin: I posted "It's a good thing kids aren't being spanked as often these days because several studies have shown that kids that are spanked are more likely to show aggressive behavior and lower IQ scores." We'll see if it actually leads to discussion. I'm sure it will end with "I just thought it was funny."
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Oct 30, 2014 19:10
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seiferguy posted:This showed up from a distant cousin: "I too am afraid of the long-term effects of the terrible parenting that boomers inflicted upon my generation." Alternately: "Blaming your children for your mistakes as a parent is the most shameful thing ever."
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Oct 30, 2014 19:13
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seiferguy posted:This showed up from a distant cousin: I'm afraid of a world run by people who can't even spell trophies right. Also, he might respond with something along these lines: 
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Oct 30, 2014 19:17
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The only way we're ever going to incentivize people to go out and get an education is by cutting their pay until they can't afford an education, or food for that matter. Also, anyone who says that you shouldn't lovingly disciplining the wife and kids with a strap until they do want you want is spouting some seriously weak PC poo poo.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:08
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seiferguy posted:This showed up from a distant cousin: Why do they have such a loving hard on for participation trophies. If you're a real athlete and competitor? Those things go stuffed in the back of the closet. You know what got posted up? ACTUAL TROPHIES/GAMES YOU WON. It's loving stupid.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:16
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2nd and 3rd place trophies existed since forever and nobody ever goes "people will think theyre just as good as 1st!". Everyone knows it just means "you tried"
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Oct 30, 2014 20:23
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FuzzySkinner posted:Why do they have such a loving hard on for participation trophies. Yeah I don't get it. Do they really think their kids are so dumb they can't tell the difference between one of these  And one of these  ? Like, we can't encourage kids to develop a skill and teach them that even though only one team can win there's still honor in going out there and competing? No? We can't do that? Either you're the number one top of the heap in the Pee-Wee Division of West Silverlake Bluffs Soccar Club or you are nothing! NOTHING!! RagnarokAngel posted:2nd and 3rd place trophies existed since forever and nobody ever goes "people will think theyre just as good as 1st!". Everyone knows it just means "you tried" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Oct 30, 2014 |
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Oct 30, 2014 20:26
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FuzzySkinner posted:Why do they have such a loving hard on for participation trophies. I remember reading an article a while back about some team that wasn't all that good from a tiny conference that made the NCAA basketball tournament only to get bounced out really quickly. They were devastated by the loss, for a little while. But for them just being in the game was a huge victory, going out there on national TV and competing their asses off against a way more athletic team, and they remembered all the great wins of the season and the awesome time they'd had, not the loss.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:36
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"I was spanked and I turned out perfectly normal which includes my intense desire to hit children."
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Oct 30, 2014 20:53
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:They think the problem with participation trophies is that they think you shouldn't be awarded for just trying. Of course, the point of participation trophies for kids is to encourage them to try, even the kids who aren't all that good at it. Because kids like winning, but the point of kids sports is to get kids playing sports, to learn sportsmanship, and to learn to give it all their effort. Because they're kids, and not all kids are serious athletes or competitors. Let them have some fun and appreciate the effort they put in. Competing is worthwhile, which is why participation trophies exist: to appreciate the effort that the kids are putting in. The reason that these participation trophies even became a thing in the first place is because when all of the boomers had children who got old enough to begin little league, the parental attendance of these events suddenly shot through the roof and all of a sudden these organizations were inundated with parents wondering why their child wasn't getting a trophy of some sort. It's not like the kids were demanding this stuff. When boomers complain about it they are attempting to deflect the perceived blame of their own actions onto their own children. It's disingenuous as hell because they never ever point to members of their own generation with this criticism.
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Oct 30, 2014 21:02
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:The reason that these participation trophies even became a thing in the first place is because when all of the boomers had children who got old enough to begin little league, the parental attendance of these events suddenly shot through the roof and all of a sudden these organizations were inundated with parents wondering why their child wasn't getting a trophy of some sort. It's what I don't get. It's never "Their" fault, it's always "Our" fault for a lot of things that were beyond our control.
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Oct 30, 2014 21:10
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I think this is a relevant quote on participation: “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
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Oct 30, 2014 21:11
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FuzzySkinner posted:It's what I don't get. They'd rather not think about how badly they hosed over their children's generation, because otherwise how the gently caress would they sleep at night.
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Oct 30, 2014 21:12
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I always thought that participation trophies were like the mythical "stress cards" that old veterans complain about apparently they do actually exist. I learned something today.
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Oct 30, 2014 21:12
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What if they gave you a participation trophy for spanking your kids?
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Oct 30, 2014 21:48
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:They'd rather not think about how badly they hosed over their children's generation, because otherwise how the gently caress would they sleep at night. It legitimately makes me angry. I was told all of my life to go to college so I wouldn't get stuck working at McDonalds, Starbucks, and all of this other poo poo. I went to college so I could do something for a career for that reason. It's the exact same thing my father did, and his friends/family did. Now? The EXACT SAME PEOPLE are shaming me, my brother and my friends for going to College. "What a waste of money" "You know College isn't for everyone" "What are you too good to work at McDonalds?" (I just got hired for a part time job at minninum wage fwiw). "You should have went to a trade school to be a plumber or something" Double speak and refusing to own up to their mistakes.
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Oct 30, 2014 21:55
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Drew Magary has a good piece on participation trophies and competition. http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/down-with-americas-kid-competition-complex-1601764538
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Oct 30, 2014 21:56
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FuzzySkinner posted:It legitimately makes me angry. I remember before I was 13, my parents told me many times, "work hard in school! We don't want you to hate us or yourself if you become a taxi driver because you've been slacking off all the time!" Now? "Take whatever you can. What? Dignity? You're working for someone else, you have no dignity  "
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Oct 30, 2014 22:05
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I remember before I was 13, my parents told me many times, "work hard in school! We don't want you to hate us or yourself if you become a taxi driver because you've been slacking off all the time!" Cavuto just had some poo poo head on who was being all about how he wasn't paying for his 8 kids to go to school and encouraging them to start their own business.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2811501/If-kids-want-college-ll-pay-Meet-father-eight-refuses-save-money-children-s-education.html But of course! The guy lives in Orange loving County, California and likely has millions of connections to help his kids out in which ever way possible. He and Cavuto then both insisted that they and many people like them had to pay for College out of their own pocket and not from their parents. (which is amusing because my dad ADMITTED that his father paid for him to go to school, along with my aunt and uncle).
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Oct 30, 2014 22:13
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It also completely ignores the fact that paying for school out of packet is next to impossible with the current costs of higher education. Not to mention tons of people pay for their own education... over the course of about a decade due to loans.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:28
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I roll my eyes whenever boomers tell me about how college kids they know have jobs being lifeguards or at Cisco or whatever to pay for university, ignoring that by itself is still by no means enough and that a lot of them still have to take a fuckload of debt.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:29
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Like honestly what do you expect from people who will unironically believe guys like Romney and Trump bootstrapped their way to success. I know a girl who applied to like twenty law schools and only got into one bullshit pay-out-the-rear end T4 private school and she is heading to a prestigious judge's clerkship in DC because her dad is rich as gently caress and knows a ton of people. She constantly talks about how hard she worked to earn what she has. The problem in America is less the existence of privilege than it is the obliviousness of privilege.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:38
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I roll my eyes whenever boomers tell me about how college kids they know have jobs being lifeguards or at Cisco or whatever to pay for university, ignoring that by itself is still by no means enough and that a lot of them still have to take a fuckload of debt. Well then, every single millennial, maybe you should have worked harder in highschool and gotten a scholarship
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Oct 30, 2014 22:59
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I roll my eyes whenever boomers tell me about how college kids they know have jobs being lifeguards or at Cisco or whatever to pay for university, ignoring that by itself is still by no means enough and that a lot of them still have to take a fuckload of debt. Just smile and glass their drink.
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ErichZahn posted:Just smile and glass their drink. Glass their drink?
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