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Sigma-X posted:Anything over 200plat is worth a pack and probably worth picking up. Truth When closed beta started and we were all able to start building our collections I would rare-draft everything I saw and consequently had something like a 50% win rate in the first round and more often than not would scrub out after that (missing out on prizes / etc) Now that we have an Auction House and direct one-way trading your best way to build a collection is to grab good value cards but otherwise just play to win.
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Speaking of rare-drafting for value and strength, I just cracked Soul Marble pack 1 and Xentoth's Inquisitor pack 2!  Too bad pack 1 gave me sick Diamond/Sapphire and the Inquisitor is just gonna hang out for value. Unless I get passed some sick blood and go tri-color.E: Ended up with a great Sapphire/Diamond tempo pool, including double T-Bird and double Buccaneer, with Time Ripple and Inner Conflicts to help grind my opponents to a halt while I get in the over-head beats and get to flip my Soul Marble. Cerulean Mentalist and a bunch of 3/4 cost guys, alongside Feather Drifting Downriver, should also help me get some cards when Oracle Song doesn't cut it. I'll edit in my round 1 results when I can. E1.5: Arcane Shield in there too, to protect from removal against decks that don't have sweet fliers.  E2: Easy 2-0 in round one... with a bye. E3: Round 2 I was up against a robots deck that got absolutely insane draws in games 1 and 3 (both games he took mulligans!), to my incredibly anemic flood-out draws. Game 1 he got me the turn before I got him, game 3 he had all his control and a turn 4 Volcannon, I didn't even manage to hit him once. Game 2 was the game he didn't get T1 Gearsmith into Volcannon, and I demolished him. Still, yowza. Mikujin fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 02:50
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12/12 Steadfast Storm Colossus is not good enough by itself. Unfortunately, the rest of my deck didn't feel like showing up.
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Oct 31, 2014 03:06
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I take anything 100p and up when drafting. I only play swiss though and it's uncommon that I don't get 2 wins so unless I get lovely rares I usually break even pretty often. Been pretty lucky my last two drafts, Living Totem and Soul Marble in one draft and Zombie Plague and Gralk in the other. Still have never drafted an Angel of Dawn or Vampire King  .
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Oct 31, 2014 05:15
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If you average two wins, it's better to play competitive, because two wins is 3 packs instead of 2.
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Oct 31, 2014 05:17
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Some Numbers posted:If you average two wins, it's better to play competitive, because two wins is 3 packs instead of 2. It's more just personal preference, I find swiss to be more enjoyable and less stressful. I'm debating moving to competitive at the start of set 2 though.
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Oct 31, 2014 05:46
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Mikujin posted:E3: Round 2 I was up against a robots deck that got absolutely insane draws in games 1 and 3 (both games he took mulligans!), to my incredibly anemic flood-out draws. Game 1 he got me the turn before I got him, game 3 he had all his control and a turn 4 Volcannon, I didn't even manage to hit him once. Game 2 was the game he didn't get T1 Gearsmith into Volcannon, and I demolished him. Still, yowza. Yea, that's a good draft tip for new players - Volcannon wins games. Not every game (just see this sweet rear end spreadsheet that Afgad put together ages ago) but it is a drat fine card / archetype that we will see less of going into the future
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Oct 31, 2014 08:39
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Grim posted:Yea, that's a good draft tip for new players - Volcannon wins games. Not every game (just see this sweet rear end spreadsheet that Afgad put together ages ago) but it is a drat fine card / archetype that we will see less of going into the future Don't forget the statistical analysis I did on that here. When Set 2 comes I'm going to set up a much better spreadsheet with more information, so the analysis will be deeper. We'll need to agree on archetypes and such though so I don't have to decide if "fatties" should be combined with "mid-range" or not, etc. The problem with the above analysis is that no group was really big enough for a meaningful comparison. ... I'm starting to geek out already. Time to set it up early.
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Oct 31, 2014 08:48
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That can't be stated strongly enough. Volcannon is about the only non-rare automatic pick I have. I'll even grab it in pack 3 if there's any chance I can splash sapphire (for Bertram Cragraven to power the Volcannon). The mere existence of Volcannon is enough to generally weight my picks towards ruby/sapphire dwarves, all else being equal. I mean, if I open Vampire King and Xentoth's Inquisitor, I'm probably going to end up blood, but I'll still probably take speculative sapphire cards in packs that have weak blood cards. Volcannon is just that good, and it's not like sapphire is a weak shard in set 1 (it's arguably the strongest in set 1 limited even discounting dwarves).
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Oct 31, 2014 08:50
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Guys I made a new spreadsheet for draft info. I learned from my previous spreadsheet, and this one is better and will give more meaningful analyses. Check it out here, and add info whenever you draft or play sealed. I didn't half-rear end it this time, there are even drop down menus. I made it so that there are running averages for each archetype and shard! Later I'll add champion running totals too, but I wanted to get this out there. Note that shard is just if that shard is present. So typing B/D will register as both blood and diamond. I could do one for each possible combination but that will just take forever. Each set will have its own sheet. I need help with the archetypes! I was basing it on what people wrote on my old spreadsheet. Did I miss any important ones? Is there too much overlap? Let me know and I'll make corrections. What I definitely do not want, though, is to make so many archetypes we end up with sample sizes of 1 or 2 each time. If Orcs are necessarily aggro, then I'd rather just delete Orcs. Because I am a huge nerd I'll also add some (all?) of the info from our old spreadsheet to the new one. I wanted to make a spreadsheet that was per GAME rather than per match, and included opponent archetype/champion. That way we'd be able to evaluate which archetype is best vs. which archetypes. But I think expecting people to write that much information down is a pipe dream. If anyone wants to collaborate with me on such a project, I'd be willing to do a new spreadsheet especially for us. Edit: To do: Separate Swiss Draft win results from competitive for the running totals. (Swiss max wins is 4, and competitive is 3, so combining them is erroneous). Afgad fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 11:06
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Is there a specific time to try to join the constructed 128-mans or do they just never fire off? I forgot I had tickets for them from the stress tests but I've never seen one even get close to triggering.
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Oct 31, 2014 15:44
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Phoix posted:Is there a specific time to try to join the constructed 128-mans or do they just never fire off? I forgot I had tickets for them from the stress tests but I've never seen one even get close to triggering. You can join them as soon as they are posted up until their fire time. However, unless they are VIP constructed events of any type just don't get enough people to fire. The Set one meta while diverse is pretty much solved at this point and folks aren't terribly interested in wasting 3 hours playing against the same decks over and over.
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Oct 31, 2014 16:11
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Afgad posted:Edit: To do: Separate Swiss Draft win results from competitive for the running totals. (Swiss max wins is 4, and competitive is 3, so combining them is erroneous). Swiss is possible 3 wins total as well, it's the 128 mans that have 4 rounds. I still don't know if it makes sense to combine swiss with competitive though, because unless you are really unlucky or at the bottom on skill level you are usually guaranteed at least one win and maybe that would slightly skew results? ( Out of my 30-35 swiss drafts I only went 0-3 once. )
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Oct 31, 2014 16:31
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Well, apparently someone's managed to build an infinite mill combo. Avalanche Giant + Bird of Paradise + Shrewd Manipulation + Twisted Fate
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Oct 31, 2014 19:44
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Replicator's Gambit + Devoted Emissary + Hideous Conversion is an infinite everything combo.
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Oct 31, 2014 20:03
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This is exhilarating; 4-0 in my first draft, waiting on final matches, and got Xentoth's Inquisitor and Crown of the Primals in my own first two packs so the cost is already more than made up. First opponent died on his own turns twice from attacking Darkspires at low health, second opponent forfeited twice as his armies just couldn't keep up with spiders and unblockables. My deck ended up being: 8x Sapphire, 8x Blood 1x Mimic 4x Darkspire Priestess 1x Ivory Pawn 4x Twisted Fate 2x Adaptable Infusion Device 2x Wailing Banshee 1x Shamed Gladiator 1x Xentoth's Inquisitor 1x Cavern Commando 1x Inquisition 1x Determined Zombie 1x Countermagic 1x Brood Creeper 1x Call the Grave 1x Necessary Sacrifice 1x Mazat Ranger With Feather Drifting Downriver for another flying. MrBims fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 21:44
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BenRGamer posted:Well, apparently someone's managed to build an infinite mill combo. Avalanche Giant + Bird of Paradise + Shrewd Manipulation + Twisted Fate First ragefire at face: 2 Second ragefire at face: 4 + 2 Third ragefire at face: 6 + 4 + 2 Fourth ragefire at face: 8 + 6 + 4 + 2
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Oct 31, 2014 22:11
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MrBims posted:This is exhilarating; 4-0 in my first draft, waiting on final matches, and got Xentoth's Inquisitor and Crown of the Primals in my own first two packs so the cost is already more than made up. First opponent died on his own turns twice from attacking Darkspires at low health, second opponent forfeited twice as his armies just couldn't keep up with spiders and unblockables. Nice  Did the Ivory Pawn end up doing any work for you? I find that unless I have a Righteous Paladin it doesn't help me - but then when my opponents play it they always get it early and getting 10+ health out of it
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Oct 31, 2014 22:31
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Grim posted:Nice Played it twice, got roughly ~5 health out of it both times, but I was so far ahead it didn't matter. I don't think I would use the card slot for it again, my original idea was to count on milling if my creatures somehow couldn't attack, but I overjudged the effectiveness of Twisted Fate milling even in a 40 card deck. Lost my final match 0-2, opponent was red/white and got some crazy buffed swiftstrikers out early, but I'm still ahead after selling so I'm happy. Think next time should be competitive though. And thanks for the pack. MrBims fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 22:34
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I don't know if anyone saw the update today, but they said that they will have a release date for Shattered Destiny shortly. I am so excited for the release of the release date. 
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Gross Dude posted:I don't know if anyone saw the update today, but they said that they will have a release date for Shattered Destiny shortly. I am so excited for the release of the release date. Hopefully this time "shortly" means we get a release date next week and not 2-3 months from now. They really need to be careful when using soon, shortly and right around the corner. Picked up 2 Master Theorycrafter AA's for 1780 each, completing my set. I had a third Living Totem AA, but couldn't resist flipping it for 1k profit. I've got my set of Gralk/Inquisitors so any I get during this month's VIP tournaments will go towards getting my last two Totems.
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BenRGamer posted:Well, apparently someone's managed to build an infinite mill combo. Avalanche Giant + Bird of Paradise + Shrewd Manipulation + Twisted Fate I came up with this about 8 months ago, built the deck and tested it. It's really really really really bad.
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Nov 1, 2014 05:43
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katkillad2 posted:Hopefully this time "shortly" means we get a release date next week and not 2-3 months from now. They really need to be careful when using soon, shortly and right around the corner. And I still can't get people to buy my Theorycrafter. Boo.
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Nov 1, 2014 07:05
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Two drafts I entered today I ran into the Pass Priority bug - in a way it's good because I get to keep my picks & winnings and will get refunded a draft ticket in a couple of days when support get back to work, but I would have liked to see how those matches turned out though Also I got a Portensio today! Reasonable price from a guy on the official forums, now all I gotta do is find acceptable prices on 2x AA Ozawa!
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Nov 1, 2014 10:56
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Drafted Angel of Dawn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuBREMXxts Edit: And my first opponent had Vampire King. Jesus Christ. MrBims fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 15:45
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Grim posted:Also I got a Portensio today! Reasonable price from a guy on the official forums, now all I gotta do is find acceptable prices on 2x AA Ozawa! There was an Ozawa up for 2501 bid earlier, but looks like the auction ended. Cheapest I've ever seen it. Personally I wouldn't pay more than $15 for one so I'll probably never own them myself.
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Nov 1, 2014 17:43
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Looks like the scheduled sealed is actually going to fire in 15 minutes if anyone is interested.
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Nov 1, 2014 18:44
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Can someone remind me when VIP tournaments happen? I have two tickets and I'd like to get some value out of them.
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Nov 1, 2014 19:22
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Some Numbers posted:Can someone remind me when VIP tournaments happen? I have two tickets and I'd like to get some value out of them. I believe it's 2 on the friday, 3 on saturday, 2 on sunday. MrBims posted:Drafted Angel of Dawn.
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Nov 1, 2014 19:29
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LightReaper posted:Last weekend of every month, format rotates between Constructed & Sealed, next being sealed. Er, we just had the sealed VIP tourney last week. Next one up should be Constructed, I think. Edit VV Yeah, that happens occasionally to me, too. Just a visual bug, you can quit and relog and it might be back. DMW45 fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 19:36
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I just logged in and my entire friends list vanished. Did this happen to anyone else?
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Nov 1, 2014 19:43
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Apparently when nobody else drafts dwarves at all and you get Volcannon first pick first pack, it's relatively straightforward to win a tournament! Seriously nobody drafted dwarves at all, so weird. Ended up with three pterobots, a volcannon, three Elimination Specialists, and a Master Theorycrafter.
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I just saw a Boulder Brute table. I was too invested in other colors to take it, but that was really weird.
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BenRGamer posted:Er, we just had the sealed VIP tourney last week. Next one up should be Constructed, I think.
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katkillad2 posted:There was an Ozawa up for 2501 bid earlier, but looks like the auction ended. Cheapest I've ever seen it. Personally I wouldn't pay more than $15 for one so I'll probably never own them myself. Yea I saw it up for a bid of 2503 which to me is reasonable, I worked out I had between 12 and 14 hours until it ended but then about 6 hours later some idiot had bid it up to 2754 - I don't have time to stay up late loving around with people who are gonna over-bid on a card that will (eventually) be available again as part of a special event thing Also; MrBims posted:Drafted Angel of Dawn.  Yea I mean I think it's 100% confirmation bias but I have been seeing a lot more Legendary cards in drafts recently; I think it's about a 1/9 chance, then divide that by the number of actually playable cards - and yet every second game I've seen (or cracked ) a Vampire King or Argus / etc
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Some Numbers posted:I just saw a Boulder Brute table. I was too invested in other colors to take it, but that was really weird. I'm seeing a lot of strange things table right now. I suspect there's been an influx of new players who are still early on the learning curve. Both of the last decks I played against had some odd combinations of cards, and some play choices that were really sub-par (like wasting a pump card on creatures before combat for an attack that won't kill me).
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Nov 2, 2014 01:09
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What do we know about PVE items and their possible usage/value? I have a Bubble Mail and Xorak, not sure if I should put them on the AH for the prices other people have, or hold onto them. I'm pretty happy with my winnings in drafting so far. 10 dollar initial investment has me currently at 6 boosters and 515 plat in the bank, something like 1400 plat worth of cards up in auctions, and 341 cards in my stash to play with. It seems like as long as you at least know that fliers and swiftstrikers are great and to always draft more of them, you can make even at the end of the day. A strategy you try to build on the fly is very rarely going to survive facing socketable troops. MrBims fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Nov 2, 2014 02:56
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Hah, neat trick: if you draw an Angel of Dawn on your opponent's turn, it still goes directly into play, so long as it's the first card you've drawn that turn.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Hah, neat trick: if you draw an Angel of Dawn on your opponent's turn, it still goes directly into play, so long as it's the first card you've drawn that turn. This is why you always pact of pain on your opponents turn at least once.
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MrBims posted:What do we know about PVE items and their possible usage/value? I have a Bubble Mail and Xorak, not sure if I should put them on the AH for the prices other people have, or hold onto them. The short answer is nobody knows and those items are valued based on rarity of rolling chests. I think it's probably worth hanging on the the Xorak as I believe the mercenaries have the highest chance of going up in value when we know what their abilities are. The PVE items will be tied to a specific card, who knows if that card will be worth playing or if the piece of armor will be worth using. So personally I would sell any of the armor at the stupid prices people are listing them if anyone is actually buying them.
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