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It's kind of odd that Dellensen and Mask are able to match or overpower Klim in a fight when neither of them are supposed to be experienced with real warfare, while Ameria and Gondowan have a 20 years headstart to rack up experienced pilots.
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ImpAtom posted:So far he's kind of gotten wrecked every time he goes up against anyone who doesn't run directly into bamboo. The show even makes fun of him for it. He's not completely talentless but he's no genius. He seems to have no problems blowing up generic mooks in Caitsiths(even Dellensen in a Caitsith mostly just surprised him briefly without inflicting any real damage), but yeah he's definitely no Red Comet. Ryas posted:It's kind of odd that Dellensen and Mask are able to match or overpower Klim in a fight when neither of them are supposed to be experienced with real warfare, while Ameria and Gondowan have a 20 years headstart to rack up experienced pilots. Dellensen in particular has been portrayed as being an extremely talented military guy(probably why he was an instructor), Mask has his special mask thing, and both of them are piloting the new Elf Bull(ock)s which look to be extremely powerful compared to your average mobile suit.
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Kanos posted:He seems to have no problems blowing up generic mooks in Caitsiths(even Dellensen in a Caitsith mostly just surprised him briefly without inflicting any real damage), but yeah he's definitely no Red Comet. Kind of funny you use Char as an example of a real genius pilot when Char never really beat any named pilots himself, and spent the entirety of Zeta jobbing because he was a secondary character on the good guys side. Even in 0079 he talked up a big game but wasn't really up to the image he portrayed, losing to Amuro in the Gundam repeatedly despite talking about how a superior suit was useless in the hands of an inferior pilot. Something that becomes especially apparent given that Char's Gelgoog outclasses the original Gundam in most respects by the time he gets it, never-mind the Zeong. He does have his moments, but Yazan, Scirocco, Haman, Katejina etc. are probably better examples of dangerous enemy pilots in Gundam.
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Oct 31, 2014 20:24
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I think Char's list of on-screen kills were 1 GM, Woody's hovercraft, and like two battleships later when he gets the Zeong, compared to Amuro's staggering record of something like 140 mobile suits and like 5 battleships, just from 0079.
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Oct 31, 2014 20:40
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Ryas posted:I think Char's list of on-screen kills were 1 GM, Woody's hovercraft, and like two battleships later when he gets the Zeong, compared to Amuro's staggering record of something like 140 mobile suits and like 5 battleships, just from 0079. To be fair, Amuro is like half-Canadian or something, and they are a people known for their intense bloodlust. Amuro having anything under than 100 kills would just be unrealistic.
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Oct 31, 2014 21:08
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tsob posted:Kind of funny you use Char as an example of a real genius pilot when Char never really beat any named pilots himself, and spent the entirety of Zeta jobbing because he was a secondary character on the good guys side. Even in 0079 he talked up a big game but wasn't really up to the image he portrayed, losing to Amuro in the Gundam repeatedly despite talking about how a superior suit was useless in the hands of an inferior pilot. Something that becomes especially apparent given that Char's Gelgoog outclasses the original Gundam in most respects by the time he gets it, never-mind the Zeong. He does have his moments, but Yazan, Scirocco, Haman, Katejina etc. are probably better examples of dangerous enemy pilots in Gundam. Char spends most of the series trying to backstab and murder the Zabis, not trying to seriously destroy the Gundam, though. Look at the Texas Colony fight; if Char had said "gently caress off, M'quve, Gundam's gotta go down" they could have probably killed Amuro easily, but Char went "Pfft whatever Kycilia's puppet dig your own grave". He only really gives a real poo poo about beating Amuro after Lalah dies. His ability to encounter Amuro in combat over and over and over on a consistent basis without managing to die or be maimed puts him miles ahead of, well, every other Zeon ace. Treating "Not Beating Amuro Ray In A Mobile Suit Fight" as a black mark against a pilot in Gundam is kind of a high bar considering that Amuro is probably the single deadliest mobile suit pilot, well, ever.
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Oct 31, 2014 21:56
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I'm not saying he's a bad pilot, I'm just saying he was a bad example to pull, especially when talking about pilots who live up to their hype and that there are better pilots than him in every show he's in, multiple better pilots in the case of Zeta. And I say this as someone who's spent longer than I care to admit arguing for his showing in the final fight of CCA on multiple occasions over on /m/. He is a good pilot, but when you look at the history of Gundam, even just at UC alone, he's outclassed by quite a few named people and doesn't really achieve that much as a pilot.
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Oct 31, 2014 22:03
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Ah, the real question is, can Amuro beat a Servant???
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I really like how out of control this whole warfare is going for everyone
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Nov 1, 2014 00:26
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Pretty clever visual reference there. It's interesting that our hero is getting more and more closely tied to the 'Zeon' faction. Seriously, the Amerians' mechanical design is pretty standard for Gundam bad guys, with lots of bright colours and organic curves. The Megafauna in particular looks a whole lot like Neo Zeon's Gwadan-class battleships. Instead, the monsters of the week, the Capital Army, use Federation aesthetics - blocky designs in reds, whites, and pastels. Even their core factional concepts fit - an expansionist state with a major space presence rebelling against a corrupt Earth-based world government.
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Nov 1, 2014 13:31
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Thanks for this, I never would have picked up on that, and it adds so much to that scene.
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Kingtheninja posted:Thanks for this, I never would have picked up on that, and it adds so much to that scene. It's why they recognised each other. It even flashes to it afterwards. Lotta oblivious people ITT.
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Nov 1, 2014 15:09
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Darth Walrus posted:Pretty clever visual reference there. Tomino finally realized that Zeon Was Right all along. 
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Nov 1, 2014 15:20
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I seriously cannot be the only person who has no idea what the third column contributes to the reference, can I?
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tsob posted:I seriously cannot be the only person who has no idea what the third column contributes to the reference, can I? You aren't, I have no idea what it is meant to be either.
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Nov 1, 2014 15:40
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I'm guessing it's just Bellri's 'oh poo poo' realisation of what's obvious from the first two columns.
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Nov 1, 2014 15:49
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.Clash posted:It's why they recognised each other. It even flashes to it afterwards. Lotta oblivious people ITT. Wait, people didn't get that?
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That's probably not how Bellri recognized Dellensen. I think it was hearing Dellensen's voice via the physical contact established with the beam rifle. Also I can't decide how much the G-Self acts autonomously to protect it's pilot. It obviously moves on its own to some extent but if I were a pilot I'd be more spooked than anything by a machine that sometimes acts up without regard for what I actually want it to do. Aside from Aida in Ep 1 no one's really commented on it though.
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Pureauthor posted:That's probably not how Bellri recognized Dellensen. I think it was hearing Dellensen's voice via the physical contact established with the beam rifle. You're right, but that was how Dellensen recognized Bellri, who in turn recognized his voice from the direct contact link. Pureauthor posted:Also I can't decide how much the G-Self acts autonomously to protect it's pilot. It obviously moves on its own to some extent but if I were a pilot I'd be more spooked than anything by a machine that sometimes acts up without regard for what I actually want it to do. Aside from Aida in Ep 1 no one's really commented on it though. Maybe it was the G-Self who killed Cahill and Dellensen, but Bellri believes he did it himself, because it's much more believable that he accidentally pulled the trigger in the heat of the moment than the mobile suit acting on its own.
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Pureauthor posted:That's probably not how Bellri recognized Dellensen. I think it was hearing Dellensen's voice via the physical contact established with the beam rifle. When the shield smash and beam rifle shot happened this time Bellri had his hands off the controls and put them on the dash instead, or at least he appears to have let go of them momentarily. He just asks what the hell is happening though, and doesn't comment on it moving by itself specifically. Presumably the same thing happened in episode 2, based on Bellri's reaction, but we didn't get a shot of him in the cockpit when that happened. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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.Clash posted:It's why they recognised each other. It even flashes to it afterwards. Lotta oblivious people ITT. I assumed they had touch contact communication going on.
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tsob posted:I seriously cannot be the only person who has no idea what the third column contributes to the reference, can I?
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I am going to use this opportunity to point out that in the Japanese version of this line from episode five: Aida likens them to "金魚の糞," which literally translates to "goldfish poop." What I'm saying is that Tomino is a master of foreshadowing. John Carstairs fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 21:07
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The constant jokes revolving around poo poo is the show's worst aspect right now. I hope it gets ditched.
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WickedHate posted:The constant jokes revolving around poo poo is the show's worst aspect right now. I hope it gets ditched. A children's show without poop jokes isn't a children's show I want to be watching.
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Perhaps all of Gundam can be likened to humanity trying to leave their poop-filled sphere of water.
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Turns out "The Man Who Could Not Ride the Rainbow" was actually a colorful euphemism for Captain Bright's chronic constipation in his later years.
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WickedHate posted:The constant jokes revolving around poo poo is the show's worst aspect right now. I hope it gets flushed. ftfy
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Level Slide posted:Perhaps all of Gundam can be likened to humanity trying to leave their poop-filled sphere of water. The poop is a metaphor for nuclear war, obviously.
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TARDISman posted:The poop is a metaphor for nuclear war, obviously. Dirty bombs are terrible weapons.
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Darth Walrus posted:Pretty clever visual reference there. The Hecate has a lot of Dom about it as well, a bulky machine that moves better than you would expect, in the same colours. And hey, besides being flighted, the Montaro is a lot like the Gouf, a blue melee specialist with a lash weapon.
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BizarroAzrael posted:The Hecate has a lot of Dom about it as well, a bulky machine that moves better than you would expect, in the same colours. And hey, besides being flighted, the Montaro is a lot like the Gouf, a blue melee specialist with a lash weapon. The Grimoires have the lash weapon too, it seems to be some kind of comparatively low-tech alternative to beam sabers, since the G-Self is the only suit so far with those. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the small blue collar pieces the G-Self has are where the sabers are stored. You can see one coming out on the album cover for the OP: 
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Red Bones posted:I'm not 100% sure, but I think the small blue collar pieces the G-Self has are where the sabers are stored. Yeah, you can actually see Aida draw them from there way back in episode one:   Edit: Heck, there's a close-up in episode four: 
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John Carstairs posted:Yeah, you can actually see Aida draw them from there way back in episode one: You also see it putting the saber back in the charger at the end of the ED.
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Getting poo poo on means a colony drop, young earthnoids.
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Wait this show has more poop jokes in it? I must catch up.
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Beef Waifu posted:Wait this show has more poop jokes in it? I must catch up. It's basically poop jokes all the way down.
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Beef Waifu posted:Wait this show has more poop jokes in it? I must catch up. We almost literally get "pee pee poo poo" from the space retard.
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Is it just me or is this show really confusing?  I mean, I get what's happening, but it constantly feels like everything is at most implied and the motivations of characters/events are kind of, err, psychotic, including the protagonist's. Like, in average Gundam show the president's son/someone would be way more antagonistic towards Bellri, but no, everyone is warming up to him. The battle in this episode was also really confusing. The entire political situation of the world is confusing. gently caress, I'm still confused where the G-Self came from, and as far as I understand we have no idea who made it.This show leaves so many unknowns it feels like I'm constantly watching it in a drunken half-stupor. ..And yes, I am actually paying attention and I usually don't have this issue with TV shows, I often get foreshadowing pretty early, etc. I'm not saying it's bad either. Watching this show is a weird, disjointed eperience in a kind of a refreshing way, I suppose?
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Dessel posted:Is it just me or is this show really confusing? There are three factions: The most important of these are the Capital, who are the ones with access to Photon Batteries and who control the balance of power in the world. They are supposed to maintain the balance of power in the world and enforce the Taboo, which prevents the development of complex weaponry. The Captain Guard is supposed to enforce this but for reasons we're still discovering they've created the Capital Army who is violating the taboo and becoming an aggressive force in the world. The other nations in the world are at war but limited by what they can do. The pirates we encounter are from Ameria and acting as pirates to avoid sanctions from the Capital for stealing power supplies. The G-Self and Raraiya are found floating in orbit. Ameria''s pirates recovered the G-Self, Raraiya was recovered by the captial. Ameria is making backpacks for it using Taboo technology. The G-Self, for reasons as of yet unknown, can only be piloted by someone with a "Rayhunton Code." This so far is Bellri, Aida and Raraiya. That is basically everything we need to know so far and it isn't overly complex.
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