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is this where I post about Awful using 1.5gb of space on my phone
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these are the trials and tribulations one must overcome to earn an average computer man salary at Amazon dot com
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Oct 31, 2014 21:25
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Bloody posted:like i mean this is probably a great test if your day-to-day work is going to be string janitoring but if it is then loving l m a o get a real job i dunno man what would you rather the test be for "can you take a straightforward problem and write something reasonable in an hour". my previous job made every candidate implement a boggle solver and then perform a search for high scoring boggle boards.this was to come on site. when on site, most of the technical competency questions would be variations on the skyline problem, fisher-yates, selecting an element uniformly from a stream of unknown length, implement right/left shift in an array, etc. etc. this was great and all for hiring people who knew how to do this kind of thing but in practice it selected for very good thinkers (or really enjoyed learning algo's stuff on their own time) who were not very good software engineers.
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Oct 31, 2014 21:27
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You can find software I have developed in many different stock exchanges, banks, and large companies from IBM, NYSE, to Telstra, Levis, and the BBC; I get paid six figures and work in a large office with a nice view of Times Square. I have failed every single developer interview I have ever taken.
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Oct 31, 2014 21:30
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im never gonna get a programming job i guess
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Oct 31, 2014 21:32
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like i'm gonna take those home for the weekend and see if i can figure out an answer without searching google or anything from my present frame of knowledge, but i definitely cannot solve either in a reasonably quick amount of time
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Oct 31, 2014 21:33
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Oct 31, 2014 21:35
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Share Bear posted:im never gonna get a programming job i guess there are lots of programming jobs you can get without having to cram this poo poo and they pay almost as well
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Oct 31, 2014 21:36
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AWWNAW posted:there are lots of programming jobs you can get without having to cram this poo poo and they pay almost as well i think all the jobs are this and they just put that in front to deter people Share Bear fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 21:37
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uncurable mlady posted:lol i'll admit as a terrible programmer this makes me feel better because i'm much better at bullshitting than programming
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Oct 31, 2014 21:41
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I've had 1 (one) interview and it consisted of the guy asking me a bunch of basic questions about how the language worked and then they called me back saying they suddenly don't have time to train anyone now so they're not hiring anymore of course my resume consists of Internet spaceships, internet hats and my 4 years of retail CJing so
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Oct 31, 2014 21:41
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AWWNAW posted:there are lots of programming jobs you can get without having to cram this poo poo and they pay almost as well my last external interview i showed off some open-source and talked about common software design (i.e. gracefully upgrading password storage algorithms, database normalization and denormalization) and i got the job my last internal interview i got grilled about distributed system stuff like: what if you're a client that knows about several nodes of a cluster and you need to know how to pick one to talk to: what happens when that node goes down, or is flaky, or once you've de-prioritized that node what do you do when other nodes get lovely? when should you put formerly lovely nodes into rotation? when should you give up entirely? what happens if there's a shitload of clients dealing with the same issue and are configured identically? (i name-dropped thundering herd for that one) i didn't have good answers and after i got the job i found out that the people interviewing me didn't either!
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Oct 31, 2014 21:45
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Share Bear posted:like i'm gonna take those home for the weekend and see if i can figure out an answer without searching google or anything from my present frame of knowledge, but i definitely cannot solve either in a reasonably quick amount of time so a few things. for the first question i'd expect a single answer in like 40ish minutes. for the second question i'd expect to get through the first 4 rules in the same amount of time, but we'd also have a chat about the other topics. also i think no hints or help is stupid and means that the interview will be a complete waste of both people's time if the interviewer refuses to help the candidate out. if somebody is completely blocked on how to start implementing something, and if i give them a nudge and then they go 90% of the way, who cares? if you can explain something and then the candidate is like "oh ok i got this" and they turn that thing they just learned into code, that is super awesome.
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Oct 31, 2014 21:58
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Cocoa Crispies posted:i didn't have good answers and after i got the job i found out that the people interviewing me didn't either! true for most every question.
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Oct 31, 2014 22:00
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the best form of interview I've heard of is "come work at our company for 2-3 days. We'll pay you at standard contractor rates. we'll give you our decision at the end of the third day.". that was a friend who went through it and he said it was awesome as hell and I gotta agree, that would own. the best form of interview I've given is just an abbreviated form of that where the guy pair programs with me for 4 hours just doin whatever poo poo I was gonna do that day.
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Oct 31, 2014 22:17
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like, just find a problem you faced and ask them how they'd fix it. talk to em. watch em write the codes. you ain't gotta make up some weird rear end nerd problem to solve, just talk about the poo poo you, you know, the poo poo you actually do.
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Oct 31, 2014 22:22
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MrMoo posted:You can find software I have developed in many different stock exchanges, banks, and large companies from IBM, NYSE, to Telstra, Levis, and the BBC; I get paid six figures and work in a large office with a nice view of Times Square. I have failed every single developer interview I have ever taken. but how many confirmed kills do you have?
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Oct 31, 2014 22:25
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ill report back on monday with a CoC level post about how i'd solve the first one, second one would take about the same amount of time
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Oct 31, 2014 22:29
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rotor posted:like, just find a problem you faced and ask them how they'd fix it. talk to em. watch em write the codes. you ain't gotta make up some weird rear end nerd problem to solve, just talk about the poo poo you, you know, the poo poo you actually do. I like this: the majority of my Google interviews were like this, then they pulled out some retarded poo poo about path routing on the moon or capacity planning of a log server that received all of 100 entries a second. BONGHITZ posted:but how many confirmed kills do you have? A lot of people think I work with the Chinese mafia  That's the excuse on why I was rejected on a recent co-op board approval, you can't make this poo poo up.
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Oct 31, 2014 22:33
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rotor posted:the best form of interview I've heard of is "come work at our company for 2-3 days. We'll pay you at standard contractor rates. we'll give you our decision at the end of the third day.". that was a friend who went through it and he said it was awesome as hell and I gotta agree, that would own. i had an interview like the latter w/ a financial software consulting co, it really owned. spent like an hour getting a crash course in the financial basics to understand the case study, was presented with a real problem the company solved for a customer, was told "it took a team of us a month to properly solve this, we dont expect you to come up with a finished solution" then spent ~an hour leading a design meeting on the problem, gave a design review, spent ~2 hours independently coding my solution in the language of my choice with whatever resources i wanted (including just asking other employees whatever i wanted), then finished with a code review. it owned they made me an offer but it was lmao low
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Oct 31, 2014 23:18
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FamDav posted:for coding competency i like these two questions: lol who the gently caress would want to work for a company that tries to play "stump the applicant" like this
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Oct 31, 2014 23:23
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FamDav posted:this was great and all for hiring people who knew how to do this kind of thing but in practice it selected for very good thinkers (or really enjoyed learning algo's stuff on their own time) who were not very good software engineers. this is exactly the opposite of the person i want to work with write n**2 nested loops all day, i don't give a gently caress. i work on ordinary business applications, shoveling CRUD in and out. your lovely algorithm isn't gonna be the most expensive mistake we make that week gathering requirements effectively, writing clear documentation, and testing code adequately are all individually much more important than your algorithmic prowess
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Oct 31, 2014 23:25
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no you see they have very hard problems to solve like clustering types of lube to recommend after you order a butt plug and the mannequin DVD
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Oct 31, 2014 23:25
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AWWNAW posted:no you see they have very hard problems to solve like clustering types of lube to recommend after you order a butt plug and the mannequin DVD ah yes, the Oiler method
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Oct 31, 2014 23:32
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is exactly the opposite of the person i want to work with i would much rather hire someone who has an eye for detail and can speak clearly and concisely than someone who can solve toy problems
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Oct 31, 2014 23:43
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i have botched so many interviews because i trained myself not to rush in college and programming interviews are all about rushrushrush for some reason
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Nov 1, 2014 00:02
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Luigi Thirty posted:ah yes, the Oiler method
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Nov 1, 2014 00:05
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rotor posted:the best form of interview I've given is just an abbreviated form of that where the guy pair programs with me for 4 hours just doin whatever poo poo I was gonna do that day. If I ever get to the point I interview others and have any leeway in how I do it, I'm going to do this, because this is A Good Idea.
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Nov 1, 2014 00:09
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quote:2) implement a basic regular expression handler. you should be able to handle regular expressions that match combinations of the following rules. assume all regular expressions passed are well formed and all strings passed contain 0 or more literals. rx(Pat, Str) :- atom_chars(Pat, P), atom_chars(Str, S), match(P,S,[]). match([], T, T). match([C,'*'|T], S, O) :- !, ( S = [C|St], match([C,'*'|T],St,O); match(T,S,O)). match([C,'+'|T], S, O) :- !, S = [C|St], match([C, '*'|T],St, O). match(['['|T], S, O) :- !, match_any([], T, S, O). match([L|T], [L|S], O) :- match(T,S,O). match_any(A, [']'|T], [C|S],O) :-!, \+ A = [], member(C, A), match(T,S,O). match_any(A, [C|T], S, O) :- !, match_any([C|A], T, S, O). edit: misread the problem and unsure how limited in scope this is, i.e would [foo]* match, and forgot | too 
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Nov 1, 2014 00:11
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eh 4 hours is way too long
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Nov 1, 2014 00:12
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man sed
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Nov 1, 2014 00:12
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Nov 1, 2014 00:13
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#include <regex>
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Nov 1, 2014 00:14
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Bloody posted:man sed seriously like there was that Amazon interviews post where one of the problems was "how do you find and change phone numbers at the bottom of every webpage?" correct answer: "uh, grep"
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Nov 1, 2014 00:15
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reimplementing basic functionality of std libraries or os utilities is a massive red flag that you're being interviewed by plangers
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Nov 1, 2014 00:17
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I want to smack whoever popularize the pointer swap w/o a temporary trick question
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Nov 1, 2014 00:19
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hobbesmaster posted:I want to smack whoever popularize the pointer swap w/o a temporary trick question is that the one where you do like a = a ^ b; b = b ^ a; a = a ^ b; or whatever the gently caress? i got that one in an interview once and i was like "well yeah you could do it without a temp var but theres literally no good reason" and the interviewers loved it then i failed to explain how to analyze big O complexity of an algorithm well and basically said no answer to a question about networks/distributed systems they spent the next two months emailing me nagging me to show them code that id written and i was like "lol i only work on closed-source software because my employers software is proprietary" and they eventually left me alone
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Nov 1, 2014 00:22
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i guess xor swappers don't trust their compilers or something
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1 weird trick to save... a register* *maybe
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