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TheModernAmerican posted:They were asking her to stop massive riots in the biggest city on Earth and maybe put out a few fires, not establish a new dynasty. Except they made Kuvira provisional ruler of the Earth Kingdom during the last three years, a position they were obviously willing to bestow upon Su had she accepted it. It's not "putting down riots and a few fires," it's literally putting an entire nation under her authority and subjugation in preparation for the return of another form of rule that Su wants no part of. It is not hard at all to see why Su went "nope" at that. She has no desire for that power, nor did she want to deliver it to anyone else.
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Yeah, Zhu Li was totally pulling a fake defection there. Varrick named a unit of measurement after her. You don't turn your back on someone who does that.
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Nov 1, 2014 01:16
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Zhu Li was totally pulling a fake defection there. Varrick named a unit of measurement after her. You don't turn your back on someone who does that. And a battleship too!
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Nov 1, 2014 01:18
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What was up with the terrible framerate of that episode. The animations just looked outright bad.
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Nov 1, 2014 01:19
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Deakul posted:Korra, you dumb as poo poo yo. I really did not like this episode; more Bolin being an idiot and more Korra being...an idiot.
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Nov 1, 2014 01:22
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I can buy Zhu Li doing some rescuing of Varrick later, but I'd expect some more lesson-learning and conscience-building first. This episode really did have a new peak for Varrick's ego, shabby treatment of Zhu Li, and her being impatient about it. But I might be wrong, it's hard to go broke betting on Varrick getting away with poo poo.
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Nov 1, 2014 01:37
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Stumpus posted:Why does the avatar even care about the conquests of man?if anything doesn't her meddling unbalance the world? This is a criticism of all the avatars. I think it's OK for the avatar to fight against Literally Hitler.
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Nov 1, 2014 01:39
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Mymla posted:I think it's OK for the avatar to fight against Literally Hitler. Also from what we've seen of the previous avatars, every single one of them was more interested in doing personal poo poo than "keeping balance": Kiyoshi killed a power-hungry despot who was menacing her (earth-kingdom) people, Rokku was hesitant to put a stop to Ozzai's dad because of their personal relationship and the water avatar just wanted to chill and surf until Noh took his bride. Aang was scared and he ran away, and it wasn't until the last part of the series that he became more decisive in his quest to end the reign of the firelord. On paper the Avatar is the one who protects the balance, but in practice it's just a person who can seek counsel with his/her past lives and can do crazy poo poo, but it still has their own interests.
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Nov 1, 2014 01:52
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Stumpus posted:Why does the avatar even care about the conquests of man?if anything doesn't her meddling unbalance the world? This is a criticism of all the avatars. I suggest thinking about what Aang's main mission back in ATLA was for like two seconds and then rethinking this post.
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Nov 1, 2014 01:56
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Zhu Li was totally pulling a fake defection there. Varrick named a unit of measurement after her. You don't turn your back on someone who does that. This. And if you're not convinced, go listen to Zhu Li's little speech to Kuvira again: it hits every single point Kuvira likes to hit and had just the right mix of ego stroking & deference. Zhu Li is one of the smarter characters in the show and she just played Kuvira like a fiddle. This was a good episode. Glad to see Bolin's been training during these 3 years: once he got out of the mech he was a machine. I wish Korra had done a bit more than talk to Su & Kuvira for five seconds apiece, but oh well, I'm sure she'll play a big part in bailing Su out of walking to her doom. One thing I really liked was the parallels between Sozin & Kuvira with the whole "We should spread our tech & prosperity with the rest of the world" speech and that Su Yin completely called her on the fact that it's a weak excuse for conquest.
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Nov 1, 2014 01:57
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Stumpus posted:Why does the avatar even care about the conquests of man?if anything doesn't her meddling unbalance the world? Uncle Ben's fortune cookie say: "With great power comes great responsibility"
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Nov 1, 2014 02:09
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Stumpus posted:Why does the avatar even care about the conquests of man?if anything doesn't her meddling unbalance the world? This is a criticism of all the avatars.
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, Zhu Li was totally pulling a fake defection there. Varrick named a unit of measurement after her. You don't turn your back on someone who does that. I have to admit, when they seemed to be telegraphing a budding romance after Varrick pulled her back into the train I started groaning, but thankfully they pulled back. I hope they stop with that nod to the shippers as I love the platonic relationship they have now. Stumpus posted:An avatars job is to bring balance between man and spirit. That's what they're qualified to do. The Avatar is no longer the bridge between the two worlds since Harmonic Convergence. We've seen that humans and spirits pretty much live in peace now that they've had a chance to understand each other. Wan explicitly set up the job to be peacemaker among humans once the spirits left. The Avatar has multiple roles and that's part of what makes the role so difficult.
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Nov 1, 2014 03:30
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I think my favorite subplot of the episode was Asami reuniting with Hiroshi. Asami finally got a little bit of spotlight, and that did wonders for her character. The scene of her in the park kind of ate at me, such a good moment. She's found her balance alright 
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Nov 1, 2014 03:54
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If they don't tone back the whole huggy-feely-lets-ignore-dramatic-tension gimmick of Bolin like NOW they're going to wreck a potentially great arc for a character who's always been this close to awesome but has been ruined by over the top gags time and time again. Otherwise this episode was great, and Zhu-Li remains one of the greatest characters in Korra. I mean she's just drop kicking mechs and being generally awesome all episode.
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Nov 1, 2014 04:16
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Stumpus posted:Why does the avatar even care about the conquests of man? Mymla posted:I think it's OK for the avatar to fight against Literally Hitler. My favorite thing about the mechs is that they have piston arms. 
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Nov 1, 2014 04:24
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achillesforever6 posted:My favorite thing about the mechs is that they have piston arms. And flamethrowers apparently.
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Nov 1, 2014 04:37
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The mechs need to do the monoeye BWOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV1g1fW1gDw
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Nov 1, 2014 04:45
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achillesforever6 posted:My favorite thing about the mechs is that they have piston arms. Give them some swords and thise fold-out rollerblades and we've got some off-brand Knightmare frames 
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Aces High posted:Give them some swords and thise fold-out rollerblades and we've got some off-brand Knightmare frames If you believe the game they have those rollerblades.
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Nov 1, 2014 05:40
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ImpAtom posted:If you believe the game they have those rollerblades.  are you loving serious?! Don't be messing with me man
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Nov 1, 2014 06:06
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Aces High posted:Give them some swords and thise fold-out rollerblades and we've got some off-brand Knightmare frames The piston fists more reminded me of Cherno Alpha from Pacific Rim. 
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Aces High posted:
There's at least one boss fight where three of them are skating backwards while you ride on Naga. Edit: Looking it up though, they have treads on their legs instead of rollerskates, but otherwise they VOTOMs it up.
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pentyne posted:Realizing you're about to build a spirit nuke and going "Holy poo poo, no one should have this power" is a pretty reasonable response from a business minded cut-throat like Varrick.
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Preview clip of the next episode. Vimeo link 
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Nov 1, 2014 10:49
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Ahahaha it really is metal gear solid
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I'm wondering how much of her own bullshit does Kuvira actually believe? looking at the episodes flashback she seems to have started out with good intentions like Fire lord Sozin. Does she rationalize away the evil as part of the greater good or is it all about her ego? Also how much a poo poo is Baatar Jr-the fucks wrong with that guy? EDIT-also I'm surprised no-one has commented on the Fire lord comparisons in universe yet. Zombiejack fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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I don't think Kuvira is trying to rationalize anything, she seems pretty adamant about her being crowned queen poo poo of Earth nation and she's just manipulating everyone around her.
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I just hope Korra does not just bust down the door, going "YO SUYIN LET ME STOP YOU FROM SUCCEEDING". My - hopeful - guess is that Suyin's assassination attempt goes wrong, chaos breaks out and Korra forces everyone back into a stalemate, perhaps even saving Suyin from total annihilation. What I'm saying is: I hope we actually see some upsides of Korra's new approach, instead of delaying the inevitable. I don't want the show viewers to walk away with the impression that we could've saved several episodes if Korra would just have demolished everyone right at the start. Basically, Suyin's assassination can only worsen the entire situation, even without interference, so that there is a POINT to Korra's approach. Everything else would feel kinda frustrating. ...of course, I hope for a mixture of that and gratitous magical kungfu.
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My theory? That's not Kuvira in the bed. That's Zhu Li. 
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:My theory? That would be an awesome twist. On another note, good to see the return of earthbender radar.
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achillesforever6 posted:I just know there is going to be one person mad that Korra decides to fight against the facist because that means the writers are saying "Don't try diplomacy and talking to solve problems, PUNCH IT!!" Smash the fash, Korra. The 3D was kinda jarring, but the mech battle was awesome regardless, I hope we see more of it.
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So that's why Kuvira's soldiers wear those metal shoulderplates, huh? So she can Force-choke them at will?
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Mech fight was awesome, Korra' s actions were perfectly reasonable given her lack of knowledge of the situation, thread sucks and is wrong as always. 
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I'm kind of hoping for a Varrick-type that Bolin finds and can do earthbending/lavabending through like the Fire Nation tanks from the first series. Not saying the mech fights werent great, but it needed more bending.
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Nov 1, 2014 16:43
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Big Anime Fan Here posted:Ahahaha it really is metal gear solid
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achillesforever6 posted:So this is why they are reintroducing Hiroshi, he'll make a high frequency sword that can't be metal bent to give to Korra so she can beat Kuvira's giant spirit nuke shooting metal gear. And let me guess, she'll start going on about realizing Kuvira "is just like me"?
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Regalingualius posted:And let me guess, she'll start going on about realizing Kuvira "is just like me"?
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Spergatory posted:Mech fight was awesome, Korra' s actions were perfectly reasonable given her lack of knowledge of the situation, thread sucks and is wrong as always. Yeah pretty much. I thought it was a neat touch that the mechs had flamethrowers and tasers - they're giving normal people the equivalent of Firebending. 
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achillesforever6 posted:So this is why they are reintroducing Hiroshi, he'll make a high frequency sword that can't be metal bent to give to Korra so she can beat Kuvira's giant spirit nuke shooting metal gear. Nah. There'll probably be the spirit nuke set up in Republic City and Varrick and Zhu Li will be out of action (or unwilling to help) leaving Asami and her father to try and disarm the bomb. In a touching scene, they find that the bomb can only be diffused of energy, not disarmed so Hiroshi tells Asami to leave as he ensures that the bomb properly goes off with minimal damage.
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