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Super.Jesus posted:Son, Gallifrey had a Matrix 20 years before the movie of the same name existed. And so did the Transformers, starting in 1986.
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Super.Jesus posted:Son, Gallifrey had a Matrix 20 years before the movie of the same name existed. I think that's the point of what you quoted - it's convenient that they get to use an actual established Who concept by name, but still have that reference remain accessible to an audience who mostly aren't familiar with classic Who. E (O/T): Okay, this avatar/brct (well, lrct) is finally irking me. Suggestions for a good change when I have the money to throw at that? I more or less only post here when I post at all, so something show-related seems appropriate. JessKay fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Nov 2, 2014 07:32
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RodShaft posted:To be fair, objectively, Danny killed a lot of people. Then I wonder where the Doctor will end up.
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I can't find any pictures of it, but I know that red phone booth has shown up multiple times this season. That's the Mistress's TARDIS, isn't it?
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Cliff Racer posted:Then I wonder where the Doctor will end up. The Doctor in Deep Breath posted:And unlike you, I do not expect to reach the Promised Land.
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I liked the story. I watched it and got absorbed in wanting to know what happened next. I still have some qualms overall about Moffat, and I am looking forward to the show getting a new showrunner, but for now, I liked it. I especially liked that this episode made things work that seemed like they shouldn't work. [spoiler]"Oh just kidding, that was all a dream" is something that shouldn't work after eighth grade English class, and yet it works in the volcano scene. And the entire skeleton in water thing was also familiar from The Wedding of River Song: of course skeletons suspended in water are going to do something spooky. And yet I felt real suspense at all of these happenings. I also am wondering if there is going to be another curve thrown in Part 2: whether there is a story behind the story.
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Mo0 posted:I can't find any pictures of it, but I know that red phone booth has shown up multiple times this season. That's the Mistress's TARDIS, isn't it?
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Nov 2, 2014 07:57
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Random Stranger posted:Oh hey, one more thing about this episode. Will Moffat ever stop remaking Troughton stories? I hope not! Though he may have been hobbled slightly by losing Matt Smith from the series, what with him being a Frankenstein's creature inhabited by the spirit of Patrick Troughton and all.
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This episode makes the "Doctor Idiot" line from last week so much better. 12 really is a big ol' idiot. 2house2fly posted:No, red phone booths are extremely common in Britain. Which is why it would be hilarious if it were the Master's attempt at "you still use the phone box, you are an idiot"
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Nov 2, 2014 08:11
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docbeard posted:"Put the wimmins in their place" is like priority #23 by comparison. But really was it put the wimmins in their place - or put the non-Time Lords in their places? It could be explained in one context that he displayed such misogyny because it taking such pig-headed human behaviourisms up to 11. In many of the times we've seen him he's shown such contempt to anyone that wasn't a Time Lord, so if humans seem to act as if their women are inferior, how much more inferior must they be to someone who considers humans to be no more than a pet, or a insignificant pawn on a greater chess board? Although they did miss one thing, they should have used the Master's shrink ray on Doctor Chang - a true call back to some of 4s encounters with The Master.
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2house2fly posted:No, red phone booths are extremely common in Britain. Actually no they are not, they got rid of most of them ages ago. Although they are TV short hand for "we are in the UK".
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Mo0 posted:I can't find any pictures of it, but I know that red phone booth has shown up multiple times this season. That's the Mistress's TARDIS, isn't it? You can get a good view of that area on Google Maps and there isn't a red phone box there 
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The red phone booths are probably just a London thing now, like big red buses.
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Its a vain hope but part of me wishes that they would see sense and go back to using the Cyberman voice style of The Moonbase/The Tomb of the Cybermen. Although if they were to modernise it a bit, do it in the fashion of the Central Committee/Cyberplanner from Spare Parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9rIrae6N84 Basically Cybermen Not big stompy robots going around trying to conquer everything, shouting "Delete" at everything (which mercifully seems to have stopped now), and basically being Daleks with legs. The concept of a cyber suit that is less of a suit of armour and more of a life support system for whatever twisted parody of a human that remains inside is terrifying enough without having to throw a bunch of gimmicky abilities on top of it. I'm looking at you Nightmare in Silver.
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Nov 2, 2014 09:40
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I put 2+2 together about halfway through the episode, but the reveal was no less awesome than it turned out to be.
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Nick Briggs does amazing Cybermen voices for Big Finish and I honestly can't understand why they don't get him to do the same thing for the tv show. Probably because they're not written in a way that suits that style of voice... but most of the stories about them on tv suck anyway so listen to Briggs!
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So, is the casting of Michelle Gomez a call back of sorts to Roger Delgado? I ask because they have somewhat similar features and Spanish last names. Makes sense that she would call herself "Mistress" since she says she is an old fashioned Timelady.
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Okay, Missy being the Master was to be expected given all the facts we had to work with. But that actress is having exactly as much fun as she should be having with that role, and it is great to watch. The typical Moffat Woman Traits are still a bit annoying, but for once they actually make a bit of sense here; it's just the Master loving with the Doctor this time, and it works. The one thing I think is a bit unfortunate is that it's stealing the spotlight from the Cybermen. I'm an unashamed fan of the Cybermen, despite them having a checkered (at best) history with story quality, I'm still always happy when they show up. This is a perfect pitch for a modern Cyberman story; it combines what they were originally envisioned as in the 1960s with a present-day approach to the same issues. Given how the modern world sees technology the Cybermen are really well-suited for this sort of corporate, present-day setting; technology isn't a faceless fear anymore, it's something we willingly let become part of our lives, something we put so much of ourselves into, and something that can so easily betray us. As much as I'm enjoying Missy, I really wish she wasn't there to split the spotlight, because I can't imagine a better story for the Cybermen. Not only do we have a perfect lead-in for them, but Missy's laying-out of how they're handling the brains inside them is a great sort of 'escalation to action', and we've got Danny Pink as a great way to feel out the concept's human side. But as it stands it's competing for air with Missy, and not getting the chance to really explore all the possibilities. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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A bunch of pages ago people were speculating what "I like his accent, I think I'll keep it" meant from Missy in the context that she is the master. Isnt it just as simple as pointing out that both the Doctor and the Master/Missy are both currently played by scottish actors?
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MisterBibs posted:EDIT: While I'm not comfortable with toxxing myself over it, I'm guessing that based on one of the last scenes, the Kid Danny Shot is going to tell him not to delete his memories, good or bad, in some form. Not sure if that's spoilerblock worthy... Very high chance that he decides he deserves his pain/it makes him who he is. Spatula City posted:I like how Missy convinced the Doctor she was a robot just for shits and giggles. I can't decide whether Missy going into full on "I AM A ROBOT, BEEP BOOP" after she kisses the Doctor is genius or nonsense.
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Dabir posted:The red phone booths are probably just a London thing now, like big red buses. As an inhabitant of London, even then I've only seen them in a handful of tourist areas, though St. Pauls obviously counts under that. I wish I hadn't known about the cyberman reveal, though I liked it anyway. I'm looking forwards to next week so we can say, definitively, if this is that rarest of things - a good cyberman story.
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Lipset and Rock On posted:As an inhabitant of London, even then I've only seen them in a handful of tourist areas, though St. Pauls obviously counts under that. Next week is more likely to be a Master story with occasional pew-pew appearances by the Cybermen.
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PriorMarcus posted:Next week is more likely to be a Master story with occasional pew-pew appearances by the Cybermen. We've still got Danny to resolve, so there'll be some resolution to that side of things, but the best we'll get is the same roughly 70-30 split of Doomsday, with Missy in place of the Daleks. Which isn't enough by my book, because again, this is the best Cyberman setup I could have dreamed of, and it's being wasted by having to play supporting act to the Master.
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Armyman25 posted:So, is the casting of Michelle Gomez a call back of sorts to Roger Delgado? I ask because they have somewhat similar features and Spanish last names. You think they cast actors based on their names?
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Mr Beens posted:You think they cast actors based on their names? No, it just seemed like an odd coincidence.
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This is going to be one of those things where they don't explain how the Master got out of Gallifrey, isn't it?Glenn_Beckett posted:A rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrange of visitors Echoing McCoy is, if nothing else, a really subtle but fantastic hint as to who Missy really was (Death and The Master during 7ths run, Skaro and his ashes, etc.)
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Slimnoid posted:This is going to be one of those things where they don't explain how the Master got out of Gallifrey, isn't it? Probably turned into a liquid snake or something.
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Slimnoid posted:This is going to be one of those things where they don't explain how the Master got out of Gallifrey, isn't it? I'm legitimately expecting it to end with her regenerating into a child and being flung into the far future with a watch on him.
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I wonder if Moffat's whole 'LOL of course there won't be a woman Doctor, the Doctor's a man and stuff' crap from around the time of Capaldi's casting was because he already had this planned out. Seems a really Moffat thing to do.
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Slimnoid posted:This is going to be one of those things where they don't explain how the Master got out of Gallifrey, isn't it? I think they will and it will be a plot point. Remember that finding Gallifrey was established as the Doctor's new dream, and then when he found one possible link to it he had to spend hundreds of years at Trenzalore keeping it at bay. And all the mysterious calculations he's always doing. I think he's been actively trying to find it all this time, and find a way to bring the Time Lords back without restarting the Time War, and having the Master pop out of the Time Lock will definitely be relevant. Armyman25 posted:So, is the casting of Michelle Gomez a call back of sorts to Roger Delgado? I ask because they have somewhat similar features and Spanish last names. You mean Roger Caesar Marius Bernard de Delgado Torres Castillo Roberto?  That's almost as good as Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi.I've never heard of Michelle Gomez before, but looking at pictures of her, I'd say they cast her based on the fact that she pretty much always looks evil. Like if there was a female version of the archetype of haughty, aristocratic, evil Satanic Delgado/Ainley type, she'd be it. I don't see one picture where I can imagine her being a friendly soccer mom, or a sweet lead in a romcom. Perfect casting IMO. Lipset and Rock On posted:I wish I hadn't known about the cyberman reveal, though I liked it anyway. I'm looking forwards to next week so we can say, definitively, if this is that rarest of things - a good cyberman story. I was a bit spoiled on it, but I like to think I would have caught it with the eye-doors and the very Tomb-like multilevel crypts.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I can't decide whether Missy going into full on "I AM A ROBOT, BEEP BOOP" after she kisses the Doctor is genius or nonsense. The answer to that question is "yes".
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My brother has just explained to me his theory that Missy was the one who actually plucked the ring from the Master's pyre back in season three, because she waited to regenerate until after the Doctor left. Discuss.
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Metal Loaf posted:My brother has just explained to me his theory that Missy was the one who actually plucked the ring from the Master's pyre back in season three, because she waited to regenerate until after the Doctor left. Discuss. The ring is used in The End of Time to ressurect him.
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There one thing I actually noticed this season. Every time Missy 'saved' someone, it was a death caused by a robot. She appeared for one of the Clockwork Men, the miltary girl killed by the Dalek defense system, and the cop killed by the war machine in the house. And the Sherwood Forest robots were wanting to see her as well. So it fitting every robot theme episode has a connection to the Master's grand plan.
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Also we saw whose hand it was, unless two women have long red fingernails of that specific type.
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Burkion posted:Also we saw whose hand it was, unless two women have long red fingernails of that specific type. That sounds completely implausible, no two women could have long red fingernails
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That sounds completely implausible, no two women could have long red fingernails Bah you know what I mean. They point out who it is in the End of Time. Rirse posted:There one thing I actually noticed this season. Every time Missy 'saved' someone, it was a death caused by a robot. She appeared for one of the Clockwork Men, the miltary girl killed by the Dalek defense system, and the cop killed by the war machine in the house. And the Sherwood Forest robots were wanting to see her as well. So it fitting every robot theme episode has a connection to the Master's grand plan. WHY is what I'm curious about. The gently caress do robots want with Cybermen? What do cybermen want with robits?
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I still don't know what to make of that episode. Not a whole lot actually happened outside of the first minute and last minute.Burkion posted:What do cybermen want with robits? 
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