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pengun101 posted:How was the Revan expansion pack? Hasn't come out yet. From the sounds of it, you disrupt Revan's plans at the Yavin 4 temple (which I'm pretty sure is featured in quite a few games like Mysteries of the Sith) and fight Revan as a raidboss who wants to resurrect the Sith Emperor for some reason. If the reason is to have a sweet fight vs the Sith Emperor as a raidboss, I'm all in on that.
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oatgan posted:The Old Republic wasn't the first place they just gave her a name, but this is getting even further off topic so: They said it's gonna be out pretty soon. If I had to guess I'd say sometime next week.
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Nov 1, 2014 21:19
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Cythereal posted:There are parts of Act 2 when the Imperial Agent is under a form of mind control and you can pick whatever dialogue option you want but your character is forced to obey the mind control regardless of what you want to say. If that counts as subverting the dialogue system, then Mass Effect did that long before SWTOR was even announced.
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Nov 1, 2014 21:24
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Keeshhound posted:If that counts as subverting the dialogue system, then Mass Effect did that long before SWTOR was even announced. I was thinking the same thing. Three different dialogue options that all say "I saw...visions. It didn't make any sense."
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Nov 1, 2014 21:28
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The first Mass Effect was so egregious in that regard. There are several occasions where you have a dialogue choice and Shepard says the exact same thing regardless of what you pick.
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Nov 1, 2014 21:45
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Keeshhound posted:If that counts as subverting the dialogue system, then Mass Effect did that long before SWTOR was even announced. Man, I remember Monkey Island doing this, I think it was in 2, where you're suddenly scared stiff of LeChuck and your witty retorts all just end up being you whimpering. Unless I'm misremembering something from Curse. Edit: vvv That's a very subversive thing to say are you a communist/capitalist spy? evilmiera fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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Nov 1, 2014 21:49
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No no guys, that's totally subversion.
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Nov 1, 2014 21:50
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You're right. There is no difference between deceiving the player by railroading certain voiced responses as in ME1 vs using the mechanics to reinforce the narrative of the player being mind controlled in TOR. None whatsoever.
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Nov 1, 2014 22:01
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etjester posted:You're right. There is no difference between deceiving the player by railroading certain voiced responses as in ME1 vs using the mechanics to reinforce the narrative of the player being mind controlled in TOR. None whatsoever. Shep was under Reaper Indoctrination from the start! 
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Nov 1, 2014 22:37
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There's a choice in NWN2 where all the choices are cutoff because the character you're talking to isn't letting you get a word in edgewise. It's something like quote:1. Wa- and he keeps talking and then runs off no matter what you pick.
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Nov 1, 2014 22:39
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"Will you please save our town?" No "Will you please save our town?" No "Will you please save our town?" No "Will you please save our town?" Yes "Oh, Thank you, Weedlord Bonerhitler!"
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Nov 1, 2014 22:45
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Be real, Weedlord Bonerhitler is an upstanding gentleman and would say yes the first time.
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Nov 1, 2014 22:48
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KittyEmpress posted:I have had this argument before, but SWTOR didn't poo poo on Kotor2 half as much as you guys still insist it did. It did three main points - it killed the Exile, it made Nihilus someone who learned to do what he did with someone else, and it ignored all of Kreia's bullshit. I played it a month ago and it's still loving awesome. The themes are hammered out and reinforced all game in dialogue with the characters. What themes are you talking about that are mentioned 3 times?
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Nov 1, 2014 22:58
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You know what really needs to stop? Crossing stories from games and books. Keep your story in either the game or the book. Don't start introducing characters from books/comic books into main games because it's dumb as gently caress. And stop having important world building storytelling events happening in the books.
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Nov 2, 2014 07:24
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I'm ok with lore being developed outside of the game, like in a book, cause that's basically the same as the lore developed for the game. I'm not ok with the game basically giving you no information about that thing, essentially expecting you to have read the book. If it's important enough to effect the game's plot, put a synopsis in the game itself. Like, the Mass Effect book about Anderson trying to become a Spectre. That was fine, cause it really was just backstory for the game that was basically explained to you by talking to Anderson. I never read the book, and don't feel like I understood Mass Effect 1 any less for it.
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Nov 2, 2014 07:36
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bobtheconqueror posted:I'm ok with lore being developed outside of the game, like in a book, cause that's basically the same as the lore developed for the game. I'm not ok with the game basically giving you no information about that thing, essentially expecting you to have read the book. If it's important enough to effect the game's plot, put a synopsis in the game itself. Like, the Mass Effect book about Anderson trying to become a Spectre. That was fine, cause it really was just backstory for the game that was basically explained to you by talking to Anderson. I never read the book, and don't feel like I understood Mass Effect 1 any less for it. A book about Anderson's attempt to become a spectre is fine because it has no bearing on the story of the games. A book that introduce a cereal eating cyborg ninja and then the game expecting you to be intimidated by him at without any context for who he is... is loving pants on wall loving retarded. Bioware and Blizzard have been the loving worst about this stuff.
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Nov 2, 2014 07:38
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Mordiceius posted:A book about Anderson's attempt to become a spectre is fine because it has no bearing on the story of the games. A book that introduce a cereal eating cyborg ninja and then the game expecting you to be intimidated by him at without any context for who he is... is loving pants on wall loving retarded. Yeah, that's an example of a thing that's not ok, although that character would be woefully stupid even if he wasn't a mary sue-esque douchebag from a novel. Not really trying to excuse lovely inserts like that, just saying that EU book stuff being in a game isn't always bad. When done right, it just fleshes out the setting without expecting the player to know poo poo in advance, just like the content written for the actual game.
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Nov 2, 2014 07:52
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Mordiceius posted:A book about Anderson's attempt to become a spectre is fine because it has no bearing on the story of the games. A book that introduce a cereal eating cyborg ninja and then the game expecting you to be intimidated by him at without any context for who he is... is loving pants on wall loving retarded.
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Nov 2, 2014 08:52
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Yeah, but I think for all the bad things that Bioware has done they will never quite reach the level of "Original character do not steal" as that kid who was meant to be the child of an orc, draenai raised by the best sorcerer and had the powers of every single branch of magic. That only appeared in the comics and was "important" to the fate of the world. I mean bioware hasn't done anything that bad yet.
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Nov 2, 2014 08:56
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Sylphosaurus posted:Didn't Bungie also have a raging hardon for this kind of practice with the Halo series? Never got that feeling from the Bungie games, but 4 introduces the Forerunners as more than just random nameless aliens that made poo poo, and apparently a lot of that comes from EU books.
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Nov 2, 2014 08:58
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Halo had like a twenty books written for it and it's like a dozen years old at this point and they kind of run the gamut of bullshit media tie-in problems. The most hilarious being everyone just assumes the completely unexplained plot in the latest game is a result of all the books, when really it hinges on obtuse hidden messages in the previous game.
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Nov 2, 2014 09:01
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Josef bugman posted:Yeah, but I think for all the bad things that Bioware has done they will never quite reach the level of "Original character do not steal" as that kid who was meant to be the child of an orc, draenai raised by the best sorcerer and had the powers of every single branch of magic. That only appeared in the comics and was "important" to the fate of the world. Imoen.
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Nov 2, 2014 09:20
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Josef bugman posted:Yeah, but I think for all the bad things that Bioware has done they will never quite reach the level of "Original character do not steal" as that kid who was meant to be the child of an orc, draenai raised by the best sorcerer and had the powers of every single branch of magic. That only appeared in the comics and was "important" to the fate of the world. The only saving grace about that situation is that so far not even a trace of that stupid character is in their games. I hope that not even Metzen considers it a good character, but at the same time, he is contemplating to resurrect and redeem Illidan so who the gently caress knows.
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Nov 2, 2014 09:30
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Orv posted:Imoen. We'll never gonna let that live that down, are we.
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Nov 2, 2014 10:13
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Mordiceius posted:Bioware and Blizzard have been the loving worst about this stuff. LucasArts did this a lot with The Clone Wars animation series. When I saw Episode 3 I had no idea who that General Grievous was and why he seemed so important, it bothered me. A lot of banter between characters also point to the TV show and it's annoying.
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Nov 2, 2014 10:19
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Furism posted:LucasArts did this a lot with The Clone Wars animation series. When I saw Episode 3 I had no idea who that General Grievous was and why he seemed so important, it bothered me. A lot of banter between characters also point to the TV show and it's annoying. Unless I'm forgetting something, I could have sworn the animated series came out waaaaay after Episode 3. Episode 3 was just a mess in terms of shoving everything they wanted in, so a lot of the Grevious stuff got cut. Guess they put it into the animated thing later? Never watched it. Either way, kind of a different sort of problem. edit: Huh, its pilot was before the movie was out. Was even on cartoon network back when I was probably still watching it, so now I'm questioning how I'd missed that. Yeah, that's kind of lame then and a good example of what not to do with your derivative work. Decus fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Brumaldo posted:We'll never gonna let that live that down, are we. Hell the gently caress no.
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Nov 2, 2014 11:46
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Orv posted:Hell the gently caress no. What happened with that lady?
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Nov 2, 2014 11:56
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Josef bugman posted:What happened with that lady? The world may never know. That I will from 2001 to the end of time feed her to the spirits in the circus.
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Nov 2, 2014 11:58
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Okay, so she has an annoying voice, surely she cannot be as bad as this:
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You'll just have to take my word that she is. Alternatively why the gently caress are you reading WoW comics.
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Nov 2, 2014 12:38
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Orv posted:The world may never know. Wow, and I thought anglophone Imoen sounded annoying. I wonder what the rest of the BG cast sounds like in French.
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Nov 2, 2014 12:38
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Something about Kai Leng's mask, helmet thing, and facial features always made his face look really, really chubby. That's the reason I couldn't take him seriously, not the books. also if he's chinese why does his armor have a vague samurai thing going on
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Nov 2, 2014 12:40
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Endorph posted:Something about Kai Leng's mask, helmet thing, and facial features always made his face look really, really chubby. That's the reason I couldn't take him seriously, not the books. Lol white people?
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Nov 2, 2014 13:12
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Josef bugman posted:Okay, so she has an annoying voice, surely she cannot be as bad as this: I've also heard that Garona's background might be getting a rewrite for WoD (and not simply due to the events that happen in it), so if that's true it means this entire bullcrap is not considered cannon.
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Nov 2, 2014 13:39
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So this DA Last Court thing, do you have to actually pre-order via Origin for it to show up or do you just have to have exported from the keep? I've no interest in buying Inquisition right now, but this seemed like it was supposed to be free for anyone who exported?
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Nov 2, 2014 13:57
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kater posted:Halo had like a twenty books written for it Twenty books, about several dozen comic books, several animated movies and a whole host of other poo poo. It's quickly approaching Star Wars levels at this rate. evilmiera posted:So this DA Last Court thing, do you have to actually pre-order via Origin for it to show up or do you just have to have exported from the keep? I've no interest in buying Inquisition right now, but this seemed like it was supposed to be free for anyone who exported? It's apparently available once Keep goes out of beta. Which should be sometime over the next two weeks.
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Endorph posted:also if he's chinese why does his armor have a vague samurai thing going on Probably because Samurai were from Japan.
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Furism posted:Probably because Samurai were from Japan. I think that's specifically what he meant. Why would a Chinese guy wear armor based on Japanese tradition.
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Deltasquid posted:I think that's specifically what he meant. Why would a Chinese guy wear armor based on Japanese tradition. jerichojx posted:Lol white people?
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