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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

rotor posted:

your interview is garbage.

Your interview is a piece of poo poo

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bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

your occupation screening is a piece of poo poo

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Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Bloody posted:

Generate a list of all numbers 0...n and subtract one list from the other? How is this hard?

if n is really big you don't have enough storage space or time to do that

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Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

bobbilljim posted:

your occupation screening is a piece of poo poo

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jesus WEP: Oct 17, 2004

bobbilljim posted:

your occupation screening is a piece of poo poo

bullshit interviews to hire coders

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Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

the best interview question is, "Yeah, but can you kick my rear end?"

# ? Nov 2, 2014 14:17

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Cocoa Crispies posted:

if n is really big you don't have enough storage space or time to do that

So buy more ram or partition your dataset

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Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

Bloody posted:

So buy more ram or partition your dataset

at a certain point, you just buy a smarter programmer instead

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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Brain Candy posted:

at a certain point, you just buy a smarter programmer instead

if the data set is so large you can't sort it then you have much larger issues

# ? Nov 2, 2014 16:55

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

hobbesmaster posted:

if the data set is so large you can't sort it then you have much larger issues

uh, data streams are a thing. not always a thing, but there are data sets that are huge and you don't have to give up until somebody spends $$$ on hardware

# ? Nov 2, 2014 17:06

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Brain Candy posted:

uh, data streams are a thing. not always a thing, but there are data sets that are huge and you don't have to give up until somebody spends $$$ on hardware

sure but the data set "list of integers 1...n" can't be like that if you can perform he kinda of operations that are involved in the "correct" answer to the question

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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

if you want to ask about giant data streams then loving ask about them

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FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

hobbesmaster posted:

if the data set is so large you can't sort it then you have much larger issues

i'm a big fan of the knuth approach of assuming youre on a computer with drum memory

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hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

i was referring to the specific problem statement

# ? Nov 2, 2014 17:38

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

FamDav posted:

i'm a big fan of the knuth approach of assuming youre on a computer with drum memory

okay but what if you're on a computer with delay line memory

# ? Nov 2, 2014 17:50

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

hobbesmaster posted:

sure but the data set "list of integers 1...n" can't be like that if you can perform he kinda of operations that are involved in the "correct" answer to the question

please note i also consider these puzzles dumb and i think the convo moved on a little

if you've got a terminating stream of integers 1...n in some order, the only thing you need to store is the sum to pick out a missing integer. it's easy to pick n so that you'd have a hard time sorting in memory

the bad part of the test is that knowing that you only need the sum is a trick, not the idea behind it which is p. useful

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

its a clown question for hiring clowns for the programming circus

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:05

distortion park: Apr 25, 2011

Trick questions, even easy ones, are dumb because the answer in real life is almost always just a Google away. It's probably more useful to check they won't be googling the basic stuff like how to use linq

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Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

Bloody posted:

its a clown question for hiring clowns for the programming circus

raises tent

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:22

Blinkz0rz: May 27, 2001; MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

pointsofdata posted:

Trick questions, even easy ones, are dumb because the answer in real life is almost always just a Google away. It's probably more useful to check they won't be googling the basic stuff like how to use linq

thats the thing that i hate about stupid programming exercises

i've got enough experience with a bunch of languages that i know the syntax and most of the idiosyncrasies but gently caress memorizing the stdlib when documentation exists

but somehow these interview exercises have become about memorizing functions rather than actually solving problems

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FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

Blinkz0rz posted:

thats the thing that i hate about stupid programming exercises

i've got enough experience with a bunch of languages that i know the syntax and most of the idiosyncrasies but gently caress memorizing the stdlib when documentation exists

but somehow these interview exercises have become about memorizing functions rather than actually solving problems

for people who are anal about this i think you have about half a year to a year of being able to write something like rust and being able to palm it off as correct without it being deemed too esoteric

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:50

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Blinkz0rz posted:

thats the thing that i hate about stupid programming exercises

i've got enough experience with a bunch of languages that i know the syntax and most of the idiosyncrasies but gently caress memorizing the stdlib when documentation exists

but somehow these interview exercises have become about memorizing functions rather than actually solving problems

it's because those tests are easier to come up with

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:51

Blinkz0rz: May 27, 2001; MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

computer parts posted:

it's because those tests are easier to come up with

but like, it's not really tho

loving have a candidate walk through how they would solve a problem

i don't give a poo poo if someone uses a python generator or a ruby block or linq or any other dumb poo poo

i wanna know why they're doing it the way they do it

# ? Nov 2, 2014 18:54

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

sometimes ill get candidates doing a coding thing and they'll decide 'hey, java' and start writing all the classes and stuff and ill have to say 'don't bother with all that', and then sometimes they'll just do pseudocode and that's ok too

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Moist von Lipwig: Oct 28, 2006; by FactsAreUseless; Tortured By Flan

Bloody posted:

Your interview is a piece of poo poo

Your Employee Selection Process Is Surely poo poo

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

VLADIMIR GLUTEN posted:

Your Employee Selection Process Is Surely poo poo

Yes bad rear end

# ? Nov 2, 2014 21:14

Fuck them: Jan 21, 2011; and their bullshit

So I did a MVC(VM) with knockout.js and went back to WPF and holy poo poo this is easymode now.

Are there linucks/apple gui setups which are similar? I'm still in webworld and I can't send data without http verbs