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Count Roland posted:How would Russia go about creating a "land link" with Odessa? It is over 200km by road, and land forces must first cross the Dniepro River, overlooked by the city of Kherson of a few hundred thousand people. Then they must cross the Pivdennyi Buh, the bridge being in the middle of the city of Mykolaiv, another city of a few hundred thousand. It wouldn't be a straight forward excersise. Even if the bridges weren't just blown up and the towns fell easily, Russian/pro-Russian forces would be thinly stretched along the coast and very vulnerable to attack or harassment from the north. It is a worst case scenario for older Cold Warriors who see Putin going all the way for a land link to TransNistria (with Kaliningrad in the cards). I doubt he will go all in right away, the salami tactics will continue, but I don't see how he can create a plausible cover for blitzkreiging through Mariupol to have land access to Crimea.
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Mightypeon posted:One should add that this chairman was among some other things, very very firm on banning all sorts of Russians from travelling to the EU. Turnabout is fair play. More willful ignorance from MP! The issue isn't a travel-ban, it's not informing the parties involved until they're already in-country. Because it sure seems pretty arbitrary at that point, not to say that Putin isn't just rolling dice on what to do next at this point. McDowell posted:It is a worst case scenario for older Cold Warriors who see Putin going all the way for a land link to TransNistria (with Kaliningrad in the cards). Ultimately the same way he currently holds territory in Ukraine at all - "It isn't us!" he will decry at the UN while the 'Separatists' make massive gains along southern Ukraine using Russian armor and artillery. Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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The Darwin Award Nomination between Russian human rights activists. 1) The twenty some year old human rights activist was holding a discussion with younger followers regarding the advantages of western democracy. The meeting as commonly accepted was being held in a public park with heavy consumption of alcoholic beverages. Upon finishing the theoretical portion of his agenda, the activist has decided to move on to the practical application of his ideology. With bucket of paint in his hand he has climbed up on to the monument of Lenin which was on appearance made of bronze due to the exterior paint. However, the monument was constructed using soft gypsum plaster and it collapsed when this individual climbed on it killing him on site. You may laugh, however the monument cannot be restored, you can postulate the human rights activist has accomplished his goal. 2) The 26 year old human rights activist Vladimir Ignatenko from Tomskaya District has decided to make a dramatic impact using the social networks. With the help of his friends he has started a fire in his own home. Sure, the house was already condemned and he has almost finished moving to a new dwelling, what can go wrong? During the next 20 or so minutes the would be victim has sent numerous chilling updates in his Twitter and Odnoklaskii social network accounts about the horrors going on inside the burning house and how the police is blocking his exits. After 20 minutes of play-by-play updates, he has decided it is time to get out. Unfortunately as he headed for the only exit door he quickly realized the hallway was blocked by flames and collapsed burning structural fire. The windows were blocked by metal security grates and he ended up burning alive for real. The most fun to be had was left to his parents, besides burying their son they also were responsible for damages of over 3 million rubles due to structures adjacent to the burned down building being damaged when the fire spread out of control. 3) The human right activist Larisa Arap from Murmansk district jumped in to angry and arctic waters of Sea of Barenstov in order to escape to Norway. The tragedy was barely avoided due to a miracle, the passerby called the police and this young lady was rescued in time from a sub zero arctic waters. The reason she earned the darving award is due to the fact she cannot have children from exposure to cold arctic waters and sever hypothermia she has suffered. 4) The curios discovery the Highway Patrol made one day in the roadside ditch. They found mangled body of the activist from a group calling themselves “Blue Buckets”. It was determined the activist Sergey Protasov tried to block the highway at night using his own body as a speed bump with blue bucket on his head as a commonly practiced activity in this particular group. Too bad for him, the minibus did not see him at night. In fact the driver did not even know he has struck a human on the dark highway until some month or so later. 5) The magic feeling of weightlessness from falling off the sixteen story building has been felt by now deceased Ivan Arnushenko from Permkoy district. With some cloth line and spray paint can he has decided to decorate the wall of tall apartment building with a graffiti sign “Putin Leave”. He has almost succeeded, however the cloth line has had a change o plans and broke sending our hero plunging to his death. To this day the passing pedestrians can see the sigh “Putin Lea”.
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McDowell posted:It is a worst case scenario for older Cold Warriors who see Putin going all the way for a land link to TransNistria (with Kaliningrad in the cards). The big difference between southeast Ukraine and Crimea is that one of them has had 20,000 Russian soldiers around for the last 20+ years and really never felt like part of Ukraine. It wasn't a "good" or "legal" thing to do, but when your fleet is already stationed in the harbor and your guys are one change of clothes away from crossing a porous border overnight and staging a popular separatist coup the next morning... it's not that much of a stretch. If they tried that in Odessa, local gangsters and police and private security (tons of overlap between the three) would be the first to start shooting at them, even if the Ukrainian army dropped the ball. TeodorMorozov posted:*Dumb and so goddamn crazy* Ha ha, good list and great contribution to the thread! Based off of your improbable list of totally unsourced allegations, it's easy to see that all human rights activists in Russia are fools and western agents and not to be trusted! (Seriously, someone with platinum go ahead and report this. If we can take 10 bucks out of United Russia's pocket, that would be a good deed everyone could agree on.) Smerdyakov fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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That's right, keep condemning the west and human rights all the way to the soup kitchen. The ruble will increase in value soon, after all. Smerdyakov posted:(Seriously, someone with platinum go ahead and report this. If we can take 10 bucks out of United Russia's pocket, that would be a good deed everyone could agree on.) Better yet, put him in FYAD. ditty bout my clitty fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Smerdyakov posted:The big difference between southeast Ukraine and Crimea is that one of them has had 20,000 Russian soldiers around for the last 20+ years and really never felt like part of Ukraine. It wasn't a "good" or "legal" thing to do, but when your fleet is already stationed in the harbor and your guys are one change of clothes away from crossing a porous border overnight and staging a popular separatist coup the next morning... it's not that much of a stretch. If they tried that in Odessa, local gangsters and police and private security (tons of overlap between the three) would be the first to start shooting at them, even if the Ukrainian army dropped the ball. Your half of the argument has, from time to time, filled this thread with the unfunninest, whiniest stuff imaginable (see: Anything LucyHeartfillia has posted) and no one has gotten probated for thread making GBS threads. Even then its hard as hell to say that any one individual bad post is thread making GBS threads. Of course the post we are discussing here was not a bad post. If it had been a pro-Putin demonstrator who got crushed under a falling statue or froze her snatch off this thread would be laughing its rear end off. Cliff Racer fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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TeodorMorozov posted:The Darwin Award Nomination between Russian human rights activists. Haha it's so funny how human right activists end up killed in misterious ways in Russia!
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Ilustforponydeath posted:That's right, keep condemning the west and human rights all the way to the soup kitchen. The ruble will increase in value soon, after all. Lets recognize him for what he provides, an honest insight into the Russian mindset. To beat the commies, we have to understand them. To understand the commies, we have to put up with their atrocious jokes and laugh out of politeness because there is nothing worse in this world than an impolite America focused on loving you over. I understand the Russian mindset: they've given up any hope for a better system and are complacent with what they have to live under. Unfortunately for them, the rest of the world is realizing that America only cares about symbolic issues and some basic, substantive rules that really you should be following and having systems in place to strengthen already. I believe rapproachment with Russia will be possible in the 2050s, once Russians realize that a distant and easily distracted Washington is a far better ally than a close partner in Beijing.
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Cliff Racer posted:Report it for what, not being anti-Russian? It was a funny post That avatar makes a lot of sense.
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Ilustforponydeath posted:That avatar makes a lot of sense. Russians, noted friends of the Jews
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StashAugustine posted:Russians, noted friends of the Jews I was rather going for "terrible views on everything"
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Ilustforponydeath posted:I was rather going for "terrible views on everything" This person is thinking wrong, please ban him/Fyadtrain him! Why won't all you Russians just gently caress off and let us have our circlejerk thread in peace? I don't even like Putin or the Russian government (and I hate their invasion of Ukraine) but your side is so loving whiny and controlling in this thread.
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StashAugustine posted:Russians, noted friends of the Jews  The real answer is everyone in Eastern Europe was in partnership with Jewish communities, except for Russian administrative pressure I've just given away the soft-power use that assists with bringing Ukraine into the American systems while promoting a unique and acceptable Ukranian national identity.
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This reads like an unironic two-minutes hate lifted directly from 1984. Not even in the alarmist comparison way that people might overreact to a relatively small encroachment of the police state might use it, but like practically direct plagiarism. And I wouldn't put it past Russia to attempt a winter offensive aimed at grabbing up the whole black sea coast, Odessa and all, regardless of what the local population think of it or whether they have any "separatists" to provide some kind of smokescreen. They'll just claim it's the separatists. This long lull's given them all the time they need to build up forces in the pro-separatist beach-head and those latest pictures are showing a lot of heavy equipment. The winter might be a good way to transition from the less-than-reliable "rebels" to authentic Little Green Men, since you can handwave away their uniforms as being donated winter coats or some such thing. It's not like it's made a difference whether they've fought using Russian regulars or deniable "local pro-Russians" anyway, they might as well go all-in.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Aren't a bunch of Israelis Russians who figured it was better than the USSR, and their descendants? Relations between Russia and Israel are pretty good, and that's in part thanks to the migrants who left the USSR back in the days and created an important demographics of Russian-speaking Israeli. Israel doesn't have any sanction against Russia as far as I know. Wikipedia mentions military collaboration, free trade agreement, and more.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Aren't a bunch of Israelis Russians who figured it was better than the USSR, and their descendants? Yes, there was large scale emigration of Ashkenazi Jews from the USSR in the 70s. It was a pretty big political issue at the time http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s_Soviet_Union_aliyah
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Cat Mattress posted:Relations between Russia and Israel are pretty good, and that's in part thanks to the migrants who left the USSR back in the days and created an important demographics of Russian-speaking Israeli. Israel doesn't have any sanction against Russia as far as I know. Wikipedia mentions military collaboration, free trade agreement, and more. Well yeah: if you're in Israeli politics and want to say anything really, unforgivably horrible about Palestinians you don't say it in English or Hebrew, you say it in Russian, because then no one will be scandalized. Most of the Russian language Israeli press is like if the national enquirer were owned by the confederate government during the civil war. To make matters worse, state-owned Russian television satellite TV packages are widely purchased as well. All they really have to do to win the argument is gesture at how some part of the Ukrainian right wing is enamored with the original nazis and that's enough. No one cares what state power is actually acting more like the original nazis. If RT shows a rally of fifty ukrainian bums and ex-convicts holding swastika posters outside a village in Lviv, that's all the evidence anyone in Yisrael Beiteinu needs to prove that 45 million people can't be trusted with democracy. Cliff Racer posted:This person is thinking wrong, please ban him/Fyadtrain him! Why won't all you Russians just gently caress off and let us have our circlejerk thread in peace? I don't even like Putin or the Russian government (and I hate their invasion of Ukraine) but your side is so loving whiny and controlling in this thread. It's awesome that I'm part of a monolithic party of unified opinion that's go by the name "your side." The problem is not a mentality that's suspicious of the government or bankers or undue western influence whatever, but a mentality that's suspicious of the very idea of a range of opinion beyond "us" and "them." There are lots of opinions and attitudes I vehemently disagree with but I think are legitimate and have something to contribute. I'm not sure what a crazy-in-law chain email post that trivializes the deaths of human rights activists is supposed to contribute. As other's have noted it's an unintentionally good contribution as a living specimen of propaganda, but I don't think we need any more of them. The next time I come across equally crude Ukrainian nationalist propaganda, I'll post it, but it may be awhile. Smerdyakov fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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3peat posted:In Romania we're in the middle of the presidential elections campaign, and I thought to do a short write-up about the candidates. I'll do a longer post about the main 2 between the first and second (first round is on 2nd of november, second round on the 16th). So the first round of elections was today and the preliminary results, based on several exit polls by various polling firms, are: Victor Ponta - 38-41% Klaus Iohannis - 31-32% Those 2 will go to the second round in 2 weeks time, as everyone expected. The other ones are: Monica Macovei - 5-6% (her votes will all go to Iohannis, as her supporters are vehemently anti-Ponta) Elena Udrea - 5-6% (same as the above) Calin Popescu Tariceanu - 5-6% (this guy is a former liberal, and he ran as a puppet for Ponta to take votes away from Iohannis; his votes are supposed to go to Ponta, but there's probably gonna be a split) The ultra-nationalists/far-right Corneliu Vadim Tudor and Gheorghe Funar totaled about 3%; their votes will go to Ponta The rest got 1% or lower So, the second round looks like it's gonna be pretty close. Keep in mind tho that there mite be surprises after the votes are actually counted, since PSD tends to get more in polls/exit polls, like for example at the euro parliament elections this year the exit polls had them at 42%, but after the actual count turns out they only had 37%. Same at the last presidential elections, the exit polls had their candidate as winner and they celebrated with champagne and fireworks all night; but then in the morning, after the vote count, turns out they had lost (that one was hilarious). As for today, other than going out to vote I've been playing mapgames all day (  ) so I didn't pay too much attention; but it seems like PSD did a little frauding like they always do (by busing ppl around from village to village so they can vote several times), they also stopped most students from the biggest university campus in Bucharest from voting. More interestingly, since at the last presidential elections PSD lost because of the diaspora vote, they tried to correct that by making it really hard for those people to vote. So all across Europe there were huge lines at consulates, embassies, etc with many people waiting up to 3-4 hours, while others who were in lines didn't manage to vote at all until the poll was closed; there was a riot in Paris over this, and the french police had to come in and disperse the crowd. Oh and in the whole of Italy there were only 50 voting places, when there are like 2 million romanians there loledit: I've been reading around and holy poo poo there are a lot of angry people, in Munchen they waited more than 6 hours in line and couldn't vote; in Torino, London, Marseille etc thousands of people that were left out also revolted the line to vote in Munchen: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10205219782716575 in London, people that couldn't get in chanting "jos Ponta" (down with Ponta) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=754966317884100 3peat fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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3peat posted:Election stuff I'm hearing that the mainstream news networks are making GBS threads on the diaspora and not reporting many of the voting incidents. Is that accurate? I know my one friend studying here at university tried to get an absentee ballot from the consulate in NYC but they were giving her poo poo about having the wrong ID (passport versus some Romanian ID?).
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TeodorMorozov posted:3) The human right activist Larisa Arap from Murmansk district jumped in to angry and arctic waters of Sea of Barenstov in order to escape to Norway. The tragedy was barely avoided due to a miracle, the passerby called the police and this young lady was rescued in time from a sub zero arctic waters. The reason she earned the darving award is due to the fact she cannot have children from exposure to cold arctic waters and sever hypothermia she has suffered. Fantastic, I assume you translated http://fsb-brigada.livejournal.com/1052373.html by yourself, except so unprofessionally, that you personally complimented the 56 year-old Larisa Arap by calling her a "young lady" (these words are missing in the original), while completely omitted the part where allegedly she was sent to a psychiatric ward immediately after this alleged sea diving incident. I suppose a psychiatric hospital is just as well suited to treating hypothermia as any other. Larisa Arap was, in fact, indeed interred in a psychiatric hospital in 2007, but not for any diving incident, but because she published an article claiming abuse of children in Russia's psychiatric institutions. Now, your post is quite a blatant trolling attempt and will be shortly dismissed as a lame attempt at humour, because even the original author himself admits that "Некоторая доля стеба присутствует" ("some portion of trolling is present"). However, it's always interesting to dig for the origin of these claims, just for the things you can find along the way. quote:1) The twenty some year old human rights activist was holding a discussion with younger followers regarding the advantages of western democracy. The meeting as commonly accepted was being held in a public park with heavy consumption of alcoholic beverages. Upon finishing the theoretical portion of his agenda, the activist has decided to move on to the practical application of his ideology. With bucket of paint in his hand he has climbed up on to the monument of Lenin which was on appearance made of bronze due to the exterior paint. However, the monument was constructed using soft gypsum plaster and it collapsed when this individual climbed on it killing him on site. You may laugh, however the monument cannot be restored, you can postulate the human rights activist has accomplished his goal. Apparently, this story does have a kernel of truth to it: in 2009 a drunk resident of Uvaravičy, in Belarus' Gomel region was indeed killed when a monument of Lenin collapsed on top of him. And that's where the similarities end, because local newspaper at the time reported that the victim, 21 year-old Yuri Vidunov, was celebrating the birth of his daughter with friends late into the early morning and decided to have his picture taken hanging from Lenin's outstretched arm, which is when the monument collapsed. Since there has never been any previous indication that Russians/Belorussians can get drunk and do stupid poo poo, we have to thank the vigilant Russian patriots for uncovering 2 years after the fact that it was all a politically-motivated action allowed to happen right under the watch of the famously very lenient Belorussian security services. http://vgomele.by/tragicheskaya-sluchainost-opredelila-sudbu-pamyatnika http://vgomele.by/chelovek-pogib-pod-pamyatnikom-leninu quote:2) The 26 year old human rights activist Vladimir Ignatenko from Tomskaya District has decided to make a dramatic impact using the social networks. With the help of his friends he has started a fire in his own home. Sure, the house was already condemned and he has almost finished moving to a new dwelling, what can go wrong? During the next 20 or so minutes the would be victim has sent numerous chilling updates in his Twitter and Odnoklaskii social network accounts about the horrors going on inside the burning house and how the police is blocking his exits. After 20 minutes of play-by-play updates, he has decided it is time to get out. Unfortunately as he headed for the only exit door he quickly realized the hallway was blocked by flames and collapsed burning structural fire. The windows were blocked by metal security grates and he ended up burning alive for real. The most fun to be had was left to his parents, besides burying their son they also were responsible for damages of over 3 million rubles due to structures adjacent to the burned down building being damaged when the fire spread out of control. This one is mostly true, if not for the minor incorrect details that completely alter the essence of the story. First of all, he burned alive in the boiler-room of his workplace, which is doubtfully his home. Secondly, no source mentions any friends being present. Why would you even need help to start a fire and what were those friends subsequently doing? The cause of the fire is also unclear: Vladimir blamed the police, because he was involved in a fairly confusing altercation between some of his work colleagues and the local police department and also blamed the death of his girlfriend on them, while the investigators ruled his death to be a suicide, where the victim could have climbed out the window (not all of them were barred) or called for help (either through the on-line media or the on-duty stoker), but didn't. Either way, this tragic incident was never reported as a political or human rights action, so only in someone's delirium could he have been identified as a human rights activist. The 3 million ruble claim is another fabrication. http://tomsk.kp.ru/daily/25649/813763/ quote:4) The curios discovery the Highway Patrol made one day in the roadside ditch. They found mangled body of the activist from a group calling themselves “Blue Buckets”. It was determined the activist Sergey Protasov tried to block the highway at night using his own body as a speed bump with blue bucket on his head as a commonly practiced activity in this particular group. Too bad for him, the minibus did not see him at night. In fact the driver did not even know he has struck a human on the dark highway until some month or so later. Now this story looks to be completely fabricated, and is so unconvincing it had to be written by a retard. Amazing that you can completely fail to notice running over a person while driving on a highway. quote:5) The magic feeling of weightlessness from falling off the sixteen story building has been felt by now deceased Ivan Arnushenko from Permkoy district. With some cloth line and spray paint can he has decided to decorate the wall of tall apartment building with a graffiti sign “Putin Leave”. He has almost succeeded, however the cloth line has had a change o plans and broke sending our hero plunging to his death. To this day the passing pedestrians can see the sigh “Putin Lea”. This one's just another of the author's masturbation fantasies. This amazing graffiti sign left no trace on the Internet, so I assume no-one even bothered to photoshop it to give the story some credence. And why would they? They could get into some minor trouble with the authorities over this, much less actually writing the message on a building. The imaginary Ivan Arnushenko would have felt the opposite of weightlessness as his face was being mashed into the pavement by multiple policemen pinning him down and putting handcuffs on before he even got to the letter "T".
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Shes Not Impressed posted:I'm hearing that the mainstream news networks are making GBS threads on the diaspora and not reporting many of the voting incidents. Is that accurate? The news networks that belong to PSD (Antena 3, RTV) are obviously not reporting things like those, but the impartial ones (Digi24, Pro TV, public tv, etc) and the anti-PSD ones (B1TV, Realitatea) are reporting; this is turning into a huge scandal. As for your second question, everybody in Romania has to have an ID card called "buletin" (which you must have on you at all times), and you must have it when you vote; I don't know if you can use some other form of ID like passport or driving license, my guess would be no.
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McDowell posted:It is a worst case scenario for older Cold Warriors who see Putin going all the way for a land link to TransNistria (with Kaliningrad in the cards). Let's also not forget that wars and their associated occupations cost lots of money. With oil prices at current lows, the consistent depreciation of the ruble, and the Russian central bank jacking up interest rates, Putin would be shooting himself in the foot by adding such an expense to the state budget.
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3peat posted:The news networks that belong to PSD (Antena 3, RTV) are obviously not reporting things like those, but the impartial ones (Digi24, Pro TV, public tv, etc) and the anti-PSD ones (B1TV, Realitatea) are reporting; this is turning into a huge scandal. What's your take on the critical mass of protest toward the voting issues the diaspora have been faced with? Any chances the vote gets challenged? I imagine Ponta is going through a library right now snapping pictures of famous dictator speeches on his phone to "borrow."
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Cheesemaster200 posted:Let's also not forget that wars and their associated occupations cost lots of money. With oil prices at current lows, the consistent depreciation of the ruble, and the Russian central bank jacking up interest rates, Putin would be shooting himself in the foot by adding such an expense to the state budget. Everything we've seen so far is Russia trying to be cheap with both military equipment and Russian lives, a bit akin to the same thing with Rumsfeld and his handling of Iraq in the 2000s. Problem is that Russia has plenty of both surplus arms, ordinance, and equipment and conscripts and useful idiot ultras that Putin considers to be a ruble a dozen.
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Young Freud posted:Everything we've seen so far is Russia trying to be cheap with both military equipment and Russian lives, a bit akin to the same thing with Rumsfeld and his handling of Iraq in the 2000s. What's more, I'm thinking that Putin would have no qualms with using cross-border transgressions to bolster anti-austerity nationalist insurgencies/coups within central europe, should they ever arise. Why, no, Russia does never fund homosexual nazis throughout east and central europe. No, Russia would never do something that reeks of CIA plot and Russia suggests you discuss issue with your state-approved psychiatrist.
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Wow, you are a far more diligent person than me, awesome research! I just assumed it was all complete bullshit, but it looks like they made some effort to make it plausible, which would make it classic Russian propaganda. I assume it's not unique to the poster here but was taken from some chain email or social media posting, so it's a real shame that Snopes is virtually unknown/unused in the CIS countries. My first thought was that setting up something like that would be a great resource for dissidents/ad-revenue, and we could do it pretty easily, but then I remembered that I'm really allergic to polonium tea. Also, that's the first time I've ever seen the .by domain in my life. Is it new or have I just never needed to read about the Белорусский Музей Великих Отечественных Картошки? Feeling very self-conscious about my grammar, but the joke is understood and I'm not going back to Russia anytime soon. Smerdyakov fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Smerdyakov posted:Also, that's the first time I've ever seen the .by domain in my life. Is it new or have I just never needed to read about the Белорусский Музей Великих Отечественных Картошки? Feeling very self-conscious about my grammar, but the joke is understood and I'm not going back to Russia anytime soon.
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Smerdyakov posted:I hope I don't have to eat crow on this later, but the idea that Russia even wants to take Odessa/the Odessa Oblast right now doesn't seem likely. They have no possibility of setting up a separatist republic with any popular support there, it's not a strategic port, Transnistria is so hosed linking up with it would actually be a liability, and taking the city would involve heavily shelling of a civilian population that's not particularly pro-Ukrainian. Earlier this year there was some fear of the Kiev government but it's subsided now and will remain muted as long as the language issue doesn't come up again. Regardless, there's zero enthusiasm for joining Russia--the memory of when the pro-Yanokovich faction hired titushki to beat up peaceful protesters back in January is still fresh, and the trade union building fire was a goddamn tragedy. The impression I get from my contacts there is that Odessa is going to sit this one out and that the local elites are using whatever influence they have in both Moscow and Kiev to avoid any more externally driven violence in the city. They also placed imprisoned dozens of "Pro Russians" (and that is a misnomer, considerable parts there just want to be left the gently caress alone from Shenangians, no matter if they come from Kiev or Moscow), and put like 3 right sector guys under house Arrest. Concerning Donbas elections, it seems that the oligarchs won out, Communists werent allowed to run at all, populists/Makhnovists had to join pre determined parties. I have no idea at all why the western media missed bashing this "communists werent allowed to run in Donbass" fact. If the Bezler sack is real (after looking at the sources, my take is "not sure", Bezler was indigenous, and famously hostile to Oligarchs), this is pretty bad news. In a way, Situation in Donbass mirrors that in Ukraine. The People of Donbas do want to get rid of the Russian oligarchs/Russian Fascists, but see the Kiev Oligarchs/Kiev Fascists as the stronger threat, and thus "tolerate" (Scare quotes because some genuine Donbass populists actually shot at the Oligarch aligned factions, while the genuine pro Ukrainian patriots did to my knowledge no such Thing concerning the Junta) the "pro Russian factions " (which actually isnt that "pro Russian" in practice, the amount of control the Kremlin has over These guys is much overhyped) while Kiev is still shelling them. In Kiev, the Ukraine People are pretty fed up with the Oligarchs, Nationalists and Sapadniks running the Show, but see the "Russians" as a far greater threat and thus follow the orders of the Junta for now. Since the Oligarchs on both sides would loose if Ukraine would have a genuine Populist Revolution, they have of course amped up their efforts of creating, widening and maintaining that polarization up to Eleven. Western media is 100% complicit to this.
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Nov 3, 2014 11:54
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Probably because like the elections forced at gunpoint in occupied Crimea, no one is going to recognize these fraudulent election in occupied Eastern Ukraine either. They created the ASCE because the OSCE refused to observe their elections that they know are bullshit.
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Nov 3, 2014 13:36
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Stay classy, Russia Russians Tore Down A Memorial To Steve Jobs After Tim Cook Said He Was Proud To Be Gay quote:Residents of Saint Petersburg have reportedly torn down a giant interactive iPhone memorial that commemorated the memory of Apple founder Steve Jobs after the company's current CEO, Tim Cook, came out as gay on Thursday.  Welp, better burn those iPhones. awesome-express fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Nov 3, 2014 16:03
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