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Sjonkel posted:A Swedish channel basically did that show, they went to some of the worst trolls in Sweden and asked them why they said what they did etc. All the trolls had both their face and voice distorted, so they were completely anonymous. But without a single exception, they where just as pathetic as you could imagine. And even though they say the vilest things, they sure didn't like being confronted by someone else. They journalist confronting them had a kind of Chris Hansen-esque way of talking, which made it so awesome to watch. I watched that show. I don`t like it one bit, it`s very purpose is to undermine free speech. I for one enjoy living in a democracy which can only survive if people have a safe space to say whatever they want, i would hate to see well-meaning fuckheads enforce self-censorship because that will be the beginning of the end for western democracy. The ability to say things anonumsly online is a great gift, it has made the world in to a better place. Do you really want to lose all of that just because some people say hurtful and somewhat evil things? Cause today the people who get to point fingers are people you agree with, tomorrow it migth be the other way around. It might be you will be painted as a stupid troll tomorrow, think about that for a moment.
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Baudolino posted:I watched that show. I don`t like it one bit, it`s very purpose is to undermine free speech. I for one enjoy living in a democracy which can only survive if people have a safe space to say whatever they want, i would hate to see well-meaning fuckheads enforce self-censorship because that will be the beginning of the end for western democracy. Also we wouldn't have idiots on social media to laugh at anymore.
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Baudolino posted:The ability to say things anonumsly online is a great gift, it has made the world in to a better place. But these people aren't saying things anonymously online, they're saying them while registered to an account bearing their full name and personal information, which is why they can be tracked down to begin with.
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Baudolino posted:I watched that show. I don`t like it one bit, it`s very purpose is to undermine free speech. I for one enjoy living in a democracy which can only survive if people have a safe space to say whatever they want, i would hate to see well-meaning fuckheads enforce self-censorship because that will be the beginning of the end for western democracy. This is the way democracy ends: not with a bang, but a goonrofls thread.
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If I were to post "kill all blacks" online under my real name, it would be the height of injustice for someone to go up to me and go "Really bro? That's kinda hosed up". The first amendment protects me from people asking me about things I said or saying that I'm an idiot for saying them. Thanks internet.
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Baudolino posted:I watched that show. I don`t like it one bit, it`s very purpose is to undermine free speech. I for one enjoy living in a democracy which can only survive if people have a safe space to say whatever they want, i would hate to see well-meaning fuckheads enforce self-censorship because that will be the beginning of the end for western democracy. uh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1DHfOuXilc the whole basis of the brainstorm of a show that did that was to bring people's idols to them and ask them to repeat themselves when they said quote 'Well played, Brother Prez... well played. You, sir, are a class act ...among monkeys.' I guess I don't love America enough to be all for free speech even when it's just 'friend of the family' for sixteen pages unironically though. RareAcumen has a new favorite as of 00:34 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Baudolino posted:I watched that show. I don`t like it one bit, it`s very purpose is to undermine free speech. I for one enjoy living in a democracy which can only survive if people have a safe space to say whatever they want, i would hate to see well-meaning fuckheads enforce self-censorship because that will be the beginning of the end for western democracy. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are free to say whatever you want with complete impunity and suffer no criticism or consequences, it just means the government can't restrict your speech or arrest you for saying something. Also, self-censorship means thinking before you say something stupid. It's clear you don't believe in that.
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The consensus among leading political historians is that liberty was first invented in the early 1990's by America Online incorporated.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The consensus among leading political historians is that liberty was first invented in the early 1990's by America Online incorporated. Obviously, this is true. I remember how terrible it was in the before-times, when shitbags didn't have a safe space to say whatever they wanted entirely anonymously and without any form of consequence or repercussion. I don't want to live like that, again. It's amazing how passionate people are about the imaginary versions of rights they've invented in their heads.
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It's fun watching people arguing online and one eventually drops the 1st amendment bomb. IRON CURTAIN, BITCH! CAN'T HURT ME NOW! That's a little red alert reference for you there
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Baudolino posted:I watched that show. I don`t like it one bit, it`s very purpose is to undermine free speech. I for one enjoy living in a democracy which can only survive if people have a safe space to say whatever they want, i would hate to see well-meaning fuckheads enforce self-censorship because that will be the beginning of the end for western democracy. The show is just a safe space for people to express that they don't want to be called oval office niggers that should be raped in front of their children on the Internet. Why do you want to undermine its free speech? Are you some kind of Hitler?
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mng posted:It's fun watching people arguing online and one eventually drops the 1st amendment bomb. IRON CURTAIN, BITCH! CAN'T HURT ME NOW! That's a little red alert reference for you there Is there a Godwin's Law for the 1st Amendment?
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Lion of the Blogosphere. I forget how I wandered into this but it's pretty run-of-the-mill believing in alpha and beta males, saying racist things "But who is the REAL racist?", IQ is tied to poverty, etc. garbage from somebody who thinks he's smart. I didn't post the address because it's not really worth seeing. But the name is amusing. One thing I can't get over with bloggers like this is the certainty that they know how other people think and how the world works, when really it's just that they can't imagine anything other than whatever vaguely-understood theory they've gotten stuck in their heads. Awhile ago I was working in a fabric store and my boss told me about a woman who came in looking for upholstery fabric. Upholstery fabric is given a "rub count", it's literally the number of times a person can sit down on it and then stand up before the fabric wears out. This woman came in and all she could talk about was the rub count: "Well I like that but it's velvet so the rub count is probably really low. The important thing is it needs a high rub count. The rub count is very important." With people like that it's like their brains only have room for one idea, but my God, they're going to get their money's worth out of it!
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trickybiscuits posted:Lion of the Blogosphere. I forget how I wandered into this but it's pretty run-of-the-mill believing in alpha and beta males, saying racist things "But who is the REAL racist?", IQ is tied to poverty, etc. garbage from somebody who thinks he's smart. I didn't post the address because it's not really worth seeing. But the name is amusing. In high school, Freakanomics was on our summer reading list and it really struck a chord with me for some reason. For a while after that I started thinking everything could be expressed as a function of market balances and I became the most insufferable poo poo. It took me a while to snap out of it. Every now and then, when I wade too deep into a discussion I'm not really prepared for, my brain slides back to that and it's always the most embarrassing loving thing.
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hypnotoad posted:Yeah this terminally ill girl is such a pussy for deciding to live just a little bit longer! What an attention whore! I saw some news articles just now that she did pass away today  It's sad because now I can't help but feel like perhaps part of her decision to go through with it was being called out on backing out in the first place. Choosing to die and choosing to live are two lanes of the same road!
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Tracula posted:Is there a Godwin's Law for the 1st Amendment? The rule is that when someone brings up freedom of speech they never have any idea what it's actually about.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I saw some news articles just now that she did pass away today She probably said it to get the media off her case for a little while so she could do it without being surrounded by reporters and poo poo.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:She probably said it to get the media off her case for a little while so she could do it without being surrounded by reporters and poo poo. She maybe should have considered that before she made her death a huge loving media thing.
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Flyinglemur posted:She maybe should have considered that before she made her death a huge loving media thing. I give her death a 6.2. Good premise, but sloppy execution. It really didn't do anything for me, and all I could think was that the dumb bitch deserved it.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I give her death a 6.2. Good premise, but sloppy execution. It really didn't do anything for me, and all I could think was that the dumb bitch deserved it. I didn't say that, but she decided to make her condition and her decision a matter of media attention, and she got that. So to say that she wanted the attention and awareness for all of it except the end - which she was bringing attention to - seems, well a lot like the rest of the ordeal: useless.
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Flyinglemur posted:I didn't say that, but she decided to make her condition and her decision a matter of media attention, and she got that. So to say that she wanted the attention and awareness for all of it except the end - which she was bringing attention to - seems, well a lot like the rest of the ordeal: useless.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:drat that's some idiotic poo poo what social network did you c/p this from? I'm sorry that I didn't give a poo poo about all of this. I'm not trying to be edgy - I really thought the whole media circus was ridiculous. And IF she threw the media off so she could die in peace after all of the media attention she was asking for, that just makes no sense to me. If that makes ME the idiot then I can live with that.
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How come all those pro-choice attention whores protesting in front of cameras suddenly don't want them in the room when it's time to have their abortions? HYPOCRISY MUCH?!
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Flyinglemur posted:I'm sorry that I didn't give a poo poo about all of this. I'm not trying to be edgy - I really thought the whole media circus was ridiculous. And IF she threw the media off so she could die in peace after all of the media attention she was asking for, that just makes no sense to me. If that makes ME the idiot then I can live with that. You really sound like someone who doesn't give a poo poo about it. (You've posted more about it than anyone else in this thread.)
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:How come all those pro-choice attention whores protesting in front of cameras suddenly don't want them in the room when it's time to have their abortions? HYPOCRISY MUCH?! You mean promoting the idea that people should be allowed to die with dignity doesn't mean you want to be surrounded by cameras in your face on your deathbed? I just fail to see the difference.
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Shelf Adventure posted:You really sound like someone who doesn't give a poo poo about it. I feel like my original statement got a bit twisted, was trying to clarify, somehow it turned into me wanting nationally televised abortions because yes, that's exactly what I was saying. So to summarize, sometimes the idiots are coming from inside of this thread.
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Flyinglemur posted:I feel like my original statement got a bit twisted, was trying to clarify, somehow it turned into me wanting nationally televised abortions because yes, that's exactly what I was saying. Welcome to PYF.
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Baudolino posted:I watched that show. I don`t like it one bit, it`s very purpose is to undermine free speech. I for one enjoy living in a democracy which can only survive if people have a safe space to say whatever they want, i would hate to see well-meaning fuckheads enforce self-censorship because that will be the beginning of the end for western democracy. Repercussions for your speech isn't the same thing as censoring it. Knowing something bad might happen if you say something doesn't violate the first amendment. Also, has the ability to say something anonymously online actually made the world a better place? This isn't a rhetorical question, I honestly don't really know.
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Ytlaya posted:Repercussions for your speech isn't the same thing as censoring it. Knowing something bad might happen if you say something doesn't violate the first amendment. Overall, probably, since it allows for people to call out bullshit without having to have much fear of being silenced or ignored as easily. But it's definitely not helped by providing the most awful and atrocious people out there to find places where they are "accepted" by others like them in their hate, idiocy, and abuse generally without repercussion.
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Slickdrac posted:Overall, probably, since it allows for people to call out bullshit without having to have much fear of being silenced or ignored as easily. But it's definitely not helped by providing the most awful and atrocious people out there to find places where they are "accepted" by others like them in their hate, idiocy, and abuse generally without repercussion. It's kind of a wash overall. I mean, look at how Arab Spring turned out. Sure, it gave protesters a platform to make their voices heard to the world without the influence of foreign and internal media spinning it one way or the other. On the other hand, revolutions and mass protest don't usually turn out like people plan.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:It's kind of a wash overall. I mean, look at how Arab Spring turned out. Sure, it gave protesters a platform to make their voices heard to the world without the influence of foreign and internal media spinning it one way or the other. On the other hand, revolutions and mass protest don't usually turn out like people plan. You could have said, "on other hand: #gamergate."
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Flyinglemur posted:I feel like my original statement got a bit twisted, was trying to clarify, somehow it turned into me wanting nationally televised abortions because yes, that's exactly what I was saying.
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Person's post on their own page: quote:The horror of social media is that it lets you see what vile, sadistic, hateful sacks of poo poo human beings are, and it makes you hope this wretched species goes extinct. Same person, in response to comments on his post: quote:It's in reference to this post by [Dave], who I stupidly thought was a loving friend but was really just a professional acquaintance who associates with sadistic assholes: Just a head's up: one person told him to stop fishing for a pat on the head that he wasn't guilty of harassment. From the thread, same person: quote:Echoing [Marc]'s sentiment, I hope the stories I posted don't come across as "mansplaining," either. I thought they were valid examples of compliments that wouldn't be harassing in any way (and judging from the pleasant conversations they started, I sincerely doubt they were troubling to the other person). (One unrelated comment by someone else.) Same poster: quote:I'm just wondering if I'm one of the "men" (plural) "trying to mansplain" or not, because it would genuinely hurt my feelings if I came across that way. Responder: quote:[John], by insisting to validate whether or not you are the perpetrator of mansplaining, you are in effect attempting to mansplain. There then followed forty-eight comments which had nothing to do with this guy or what he'd said. Original poster: quote:[Jane]: "[John], by insisting to validate whether or not you are the perpetrator of mansplaining, you are in effect attempting to mansplain." Same person, immediately after that post: quote:TO BE 100% CLEAR: I was, and still am, merely trying to delineate the circumstances under which a complement is harassing and/or threatening to someone vs. circumstances in which they are welcomed and appreciated. The author says there are "nice" complements and she can tell when someone is being nice, but that's not very helpful to someone who might THINK they're being nice but coming across as threatening. Same person, responding to responses to his post: quote:When you seriously hurt the feelings of someone with OCD with Bipolar I disorder, learn to expect a painfully detailed and possibly manic reply. A relatively sane person: quote:I've been thinking about you, [John], and I feel for you. You seem like you mean well. You're getting a little wordy because you feel it's important to set the record straight. I feel like it's some of the most well meaning people who are hardest to explain this concept to, because they truly don't see what they're doing wrong. They just want to be nice, and then, when their niceness is taken the wrong way, they just want to clear the air. [John], you just have to let things go. The super wordy defensive essays are in fact what consitutes "mansplaining"... which you may want to google. It's ok to compliment a woman. It's a sliding scale depending on how well you know a person. Think of it this way, if you wouldnt say it to a man, dont say it to a woman. Done. Simple. And if you do say something and it's not well recieved, let it go. I love the internet.
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trickybiscuits posted:I love the internet. I think we've found it. It's no longer confined to the fever dreams of MRA assholes and raging misogynists. Long have we scoured Tumblr for traces of its existence but lo and behold, it was on Facebook all along. We've found the fabled "mangina," and he's also a mansplaining douchebag. e: It's been a while since the last time I've wanted to smack a stranger on the internet. Gimnbo has a new favorite as of 00:44 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Gimnbo posted:I think we've found it. It's no longer confined to the fever dreams of MRA assholes and raging misogynists. Long have we scoured Tumblr for traces of its existence but lo and behold, it was on Facebook all along. Here's an idiot on regular media. A guy mansplaining about how you uppity broads should lighten up, it's just a compliment! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HI4DC18wCg This captured reaction from the other panelists covers it pretty well. 
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