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Frostwerks posted:Rupert Murdoch? It's essentially just them telling the story of the four shark attacks that summer. They were part of the original inspiration for Jaws. They also talk about the public's reactions and whatnot. They get into some interesting stuff at the end detailing (very briefly) some of the common misconceptions about the attacks, including how they were most likely bull sharks, not great whites. I worked at a shark research station last year, and every month or so we would fish for and tag bull sharks. Getting in the water with them for tagging and whatnot is an extremely intense experience, as I'm sure you can imagine. Even in crystal clear water, they can get aggressive and their eyesight is not so great. Still doesn't justify the public reaction in 1916 of just shooting every shark they found and posing with it for the local paper, but times have changed (slightly) for the better for sharks.  Who am I kidding, people still think they're mindless killers and the fin trade still exists. 
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LaughMyselfTo posted:I just realized that Ted Kaczynski/The Unabomber is pretty much the closest real-life equivalent of a supervillain. I'd say that award goes to either Erik Prince, Skorzeny or Gilles Des Rais honestly. Erik's Wikipage is pretty heavily scrubbed of anything that puts him in a bad light but the info is out there if you go look or if you read one of the several bio's written about him. Skorzeny has been mentioned in this thread but that dude was an insane Nazi bad guy to the core, we can only count our blessings that the poor organization of the German war machine prevented him from actually being able to organize his network of pro-Nazi terror cells in preparation for the fall of Berlin, instead he just formed a menacingly named PSC that worked exclusively for dictators and supposedly only took payment in gold. Gilles is pretty well known seeing as he was a combination national hero, right hand man to Joan of Arc but then also the worlds most prolific pedophile serial killer. As far as organizations like HYDRA or COBRA go the Allied organization of terrorist cells post-WWII called Gladio is pretty sinister. Considering especially that it managed to set up a violent pro-nationalist shadow government dictatorship in Turkey that managed to pass itself off as a legitimate democracy to most of the people in the country and the international community until it crumbled and fell apart near the end of the Cold War (but many elements of it are still in defacto control of Turkeys government and include a nationalist/psuedofacist secret police militia that murders dissidents).
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Astrofig posted:Yeah I swear I read somewhere that shark migration patterns were permanently altered by the slave trade--they got used to following the ships that regularly tossed out free meat (dead slaves) thus not only coming to enjoy the taste of human, but also learning that boats were a source of food. This sounds really apocryphal. Maybe something individual members of a species learned, but there's no way it was "permanently altered" by slave boats, especially after they realized the vast majority of boats don't drop a bunch of bodies the whole way across the ocean. Not to mention the fact that most pelagic sharks are active predators, not scavengers, and that for every body that fell, there's probably a thousand more familiar food sources close at hand.
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Meet Donald Ewen Cameron. From his (admittedly iffy) wiki: quote:MKULTRA Subproject 68 Cameron was apparently mentioned by Naomi Klein in The Shock Doctrine and also got a spot on season 2, episode 2 of the show Dark Matters: Twisted But True
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Let's talk about someone who is literally straight out of a Billy Joel song (right after 'AIDS' and 'crack'): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz My first memory of him was when I was about seven, from a MAD magazine of all places. They had a cut out mask of his face saying that no mugger would mess with you as long as you have it on. It took years before I learned what that was all about. Bernie Goetz's case was and still is a highly charged one: when the system fails you, just how far can you go with your right to self defense? Goetz only started carrying an (illegal) firearm after receiving permanent injury in a previous robbery, for which the perpetrator got a slap on the wrist. Were the four black men just panhandling, or were they really going to rob him on that subway car? Yes, as a survivor later admitted: Goetz looked like an 'easy mark' and the men intended to rob him. Did Goetz take it too far? Certainly. He fired a second round into one of the men, which in the very least escalated it beyond basic self-defense. Wick E. Pedia posted:Whether Goetz actually said aloud the words, "You don't look so bad, here's another," or only thought them, is still a matter of dispute. He has subsequently denied on several occasions making the statement. Goetz made these statements after he initially fled, then turned himself into a police station in New Hampshire. He was emotionally charged as he made these statements, which he made during a two hour interview with police after waiving his right to an attorney. Overall, he was horrified what he had done. Was justice served? All four men survived with serious injuries, with the man shot twice left paralyzed by the shooting as well as brain damaged. Ironically, he himself received a slap on the wrist, serving 8 months of a year-long sentence. Overall, public awareness of how bad things were in NYC skyrocketed, and arguably led to relatively safer place it is now, according to the national average. The NRA used the case to (successfully) argue for loosening conceal carry laws. The man left paralyzed eventually sued and won a $43 million dollar judgement against Goetz in civil court (the second shot was the decisive factor in the judgement). And Goetz went on being Bernie Goetz: quote:On November 1, 2013, Goetz was arrested for allegedly selling $30 worth of marijuana to an undercover female NYPD officer in Union Square.[85] At a December 18, 2013 court appearance he rejected a 10 day community service plea, stating "Either dismiss it, or let's take it to trial and let a jury decide". Outside court Goetz said he offered the undercover female officer the marijuana three times for free but she insisted on paying for it, and that he thought the arresting officer was trying to get him to punch him to escalate the case.[86]
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Literally Kermit posted:Overall, public awareness of how bad things were in NYC skyrocketed, and arguably led to relatively safer place it is now, according to the national average. The NRA used the case to (successfully) argue for loosening conceal carry laws. The man left paralyzed eventually sued and won a $43 million dollar judgement against Goetz in civil court (the second shot was the decisive factor in the judgement). And Goetz went on being Bernie Goetz: It is not just 'relatively' safer (which would mean in comparison to other cities) but also 'absolutely' safer. The number of crimes committed is lower.
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Literally Kermit posted:My first memory of him was when I was about seven, from a MAD magazine of all places. They had a cut out mask of his face saying that no mugger would mess with you as long as you have it on. It took years before I learned what that was all about. I had that issue of MAD too, and also missed the news story so I first heard of him was Lou Reed mentioning him on his album New York, which was pretty much a State of the Union Address on the condition of NYC at the end of the 80's (even more hosed than it is now). New York is a goddamned classic and Reed's best all around album and everyone should get a copy etc. If you find a stack of old MADs you'll be struck by what a fantastic time capsule they are. You can learn more about ancient society from its satire than its official record. MAD constantly recycles material so we grew up not getting half the jokes and subconsciously learning history and politics, just taking for granted that this guy Spiro Agnew was a doofus and someone named Gloria Steinem hates bras for some reason. I passed my American History finals, and therefore the class, and therefore got the credits to graduate HS early, because the quiz was entirely on Watergate & my dad had a cassette of National Lampoon's Missing Whitehouse Tapes by the original cast of Saturday Night Live. I used to listen to it enjoying it as surreal comedy like The Firesign Theatre. Turned out my history teacher was obsessed with Watergate, and when we got to that I was like "Holy poo poo, I know loving everything about Watergate. Those skits about plumbers fixing leaks make sense now". edit: and this was the the first time I realized "oh my god all of those horrible jokes about a dystopian future are actually happening". At the end it had Americans going everywhere on scooters because they were too fat to walk, which was a laughably absurd prediction of course. Syd Midnight has a new favorite as of 15:00 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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I picked up a surprising amount of information about 80s politics by reading old collections of Bloom County cartoons.
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Doctor Malaver posted:It is not just 'relatively' safer (which would mean in comparison to other cities) but also 'absolutely' safer. The number of crimes committed is lower. Does anyone have the link to comparison shots of New York in the 70s/80s and now, where one looks like a total wasteland and then you see the same buildings but without burnt out cars and so forth?
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GAPO posted:Read up on what Goetz's victims got up to in the years following the shooting. Makes him seem a lot less crazy. Heck, at the time of the Goetz trial, one of the shooting victims, James Ramseur, was already incarcerated for robbing, raping and sodomizing a pregnant woman. Bernie Goetz: Travis Bickle impersonator, cannabis activist, psychic. Truly a Renaissance Man.
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jimma posted:Bernie Goetz: Travis Bickle impersonator, cannabis activist, psychic. Truly a Renaissance Man. Also kinda goony. Someone should buy him an account. showbiz_liz posted:I picked up a surprising amount of information about 80s politics by reading old collections of Bloom County cartoons. Same, except it was current events for me. I remember the strip about the monster in the closet really hitting home. I was 12 and it made me cognizant of the fact that I was growing up and this is the kind of thing that I was going to start worrying about from now on, same as Milo. Bloom County was a sweet and gentle way to be introduced to the real horrors of grown-up life. Syd Midnight has a new favorite as of 18:01 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Syd Midnight posted:Also kinda goony. Someone should buy him an account. Either very goony, or this coincidence is just too good: goetz's account of the shooting on his website posted:The second shot hit lightning fast Barry Allen in the upper rear shoulder as he was ducking 
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Either very goony, or this coincidence is just too good: He's like a bizarro Calvin's Dad, in a strange way.
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"Goetz's racial language about criminal activity on 14th Street, allegedly made at a community meeting 18 months before the shooting, "The only way we're going to clean up this street is to get rid of the spics and niggers," was offered as evidence of racial motivation for the shooting." Please don't buy him an account.
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Yvershek posted:"Goetz's racial language about criminal activity on 14th Street, allegedly made at a community meeting 18 months before the shooting, "The only way we're going to clean up this street is to get rid of the spics and niggers," was offered as evidence of racial motivation for the shooting." idk seems like he'd be right at home in D&D
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Yvershek posted:"Goetz's racial language about criminal activity on 14th Street, allegedly made at a community meeting 18 months before the shooting, "The only way we're going to clean up this street is to get rid of the spics and niggers," was offered as evidence of racial motivation for the shooting." Good point, he probably already has one by now. Maybe we could get him a plat upgrade.
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Arrest Made In 2010 McStay Family Murder Casequote:SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — San Bernardino County authorities say a man has been arrested and charged with the murders of a Southern California family of four that disappeared in 2010 and whose remains were found in desert graves last year.
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I've always been amazed at the destruction caused by the firestorm that hit the Minnesota town of Hinckley in 1894. It's estimated 800 people died in resulting flame walls that consumed everything in their path. Forest fires can go on for months, but this one was so destructive that the densely wooded area ran out of fuel in only four hours. The temperature rose to at least 2,000 °F (1,100 °C). Barrels of nails melted into one mass, and in the yards of the Eastern Minnesota Railroad, the wheels of the cars fused with the rails. I'll transcribe a pretty vivid account from a book I have. The image of passenger trains barely outrunning the flames seems like something straight out of a movie. The Pessimist's Guide to History posted:1894: Forest Fire Incinerates Hinckley, Minnesota. Four months of drought left the forests of eastern Minnesota ripe for catastrophe, and by the end of August small fires were already burning in woodlands near Hinckley, Minnesota. The final ingredient, high winds of up to eighty miles per hour, suddenly sprang up on September 2, whipping the fires into a massive wall of flame that raced toward Hinckley, a quiet town of twelve hundred people.
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That whole area is now a pleasant little stopover for people traveling between Minneapolis and Duluth. Gas, a few decent restaurants, and some really good caramel rolls at a place called Toby's. Hard to believe that it was ever destroyed by a forest fire. We get forest fires here in Minnesota, but not nearly as large or severe as the fires out west, and nothing as intense as the Hinckley fire has happened in my lifetime.
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Nckdictator posted:Going to be interesting to hear more details. How could one guy kill a family of four without a neighbor or the like hearing? Their house was pretty much your average standalone suburban home with a decent amount of space between neighbors. Combine that with soundproofing from stuff like insulation/walls/windows etc. it's not exactly outside the realm of possibility.
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Kimmalah posted:Their house was pretty much your average standalone suburban home with a decent amount of space between neighbors. Combine that with soundproofing from stuff like insulation/walls/windows etc. it's not exactly outside the realm of possibility. Esp. if no firearms were involved.
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Zeroisanumber posted:That whole area is now a pleasant little stopover for people traveling between Minneapolis and Duluth. Gas, a few decent restaurants, and some really good caramel rolls at a place called Toby's. Hard to believe that it was ever destroyed by a forest fire. We get forest fires here in Minnesota, but not nearly as large or severe as the fires out west, and nothing as intense as the Hinckley fire has happened in my lifetime. Don't forget White Castle.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Esp. if no firearms were involved. Sounds like they were beaten to death, so probably no gunshots. It's also worth noting that I've heard a lot of crime accounts where people have heard noises but chalked them up to mundane stuff like arguments or people just being rowdy. Generally their first thought isn't "I heard a commotion, must be a murder!" That's a big part of what happened with the Kitty Genovese murder, for example. Kimmalah has a new favorite as of 03:47 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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Kimmalah posted:Sounds like they were beaten to death, so probably no gunshots. I live on the second floor on a quiet street, and normally my windows are open. The other night, I hear a woman emit a blood-curdling, full-volume scream; it can't be more than 10 meters from my window. "Don't loving touch me! No! Nooooo!" Of course I'm instantly somewhat-awake. I'm rolling around, looking for my phone to call the cops. "You fucker! You say you love me, but you loving PEED ON MEEEE!"
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nocal posted:I live on the second floor on a quiet street, and normally my windows are open. The other night, I hear a woman emit a blood-curdling, full-volume scream; it can't be more than 10 meters from my window. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP3MuUTmXNk
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Kimmalah posted:t's also worth noting that I've heard a lot of crime accounts where people have heard noises but chalked them up to mundane stuff like arguments or people just being rowdy. Generally their first thought isn't "I heard a commotion, must be a murder!" That's a big part of what happened with the Kitty Genovese murder, for example. Kitty Genovese is an interesting story in itself. The classic version - a second-string story assigned to a reporter who some allege gilded it heavily - "went viral" at the time: quote:For more than half an hour 38 respectable, law-abiding citizens in Queens watched a killer stalk and stab a woman in three separate attacks in Kew Gardens. . . . Not one person telephoned the police during the assault; one witness called after the woman was dead. But a number of revisionist works have called this account into question. quote:The essential facts are these. Moseley had been out in his car, looking for a victim, when he came across Genovese driving home from work. He followed her. She parked adjacent to her apartment. Moseley parked, too, and attacked her with a hunting knife. She screamed, and a man named Robert Mozer opened his window and shouted, “Leave that girl alone!” Moseley ran away. Genovese, wounded but not mortally, staggered to the back of her apartment building and went inside a vestibule. Moseley returned, found her, and attacked again, stabbing her and assaulting her sexually. He fled again before she died. quote:The (classic) story was inaccurate in a number of significant ways. There were two attacks, not three. Only a handful of people saw the first clearly and only one saw the second, because it took place indoors, within the vestibule. The reason there were two attacks was that Robert Mozer, far from being a “silent witness,” yelled at Moseley when he heard Genovese’s screams and drove him away. Two people called the police. When the ambulance arrived at the scene—precisely because neighbors had called for help—Genovese, still alive, lay in the arms of a neighbor who had courageously left her apartment to go to the crime scene, even though she had no way of knowing that the murderer had fled. quote:The one indisputable villain, other than Moseley, was Joseph Fink ... He saw the first attack ... and did nothing . A more ambiguous figure was Karl Ross, a friend and neighbor of Genovese’s, who was drunk that night. He heard the first attack and did nothing. The second attack occurred in the vestibule outside his apartment door. He opened the door a crack, saw Moseley plunging a knife into Genovese, and closed the door, terrified. Ross was gay in a homophobic time and some allege this drove him not to intervene. Of course, there's an anti-revisionist book, but the story isn't as tidy as the legend.
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Metal Loaf posted:This page on mysterious disappearances rather unnerves me. The idea that sometimes, someone can just up and vanish, essentially walking out of history, never to be seen again and often leaving no closure behind them, is a deeply uncomfortable one, to say the least. There is of course the wiki page on the opposite phenomenon, which really bothers me in an existential dread sort of way not entirely explained by those creepy dead-eyed facial reconstruction images, though the worst by far are the ones where they have the subject casually covering part of his or her face because the body was too badly damaged. Somehow, the implication of what must have happened is so much worse to me than reading about it outright: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unidentified_murder_victims_in_the_United_States
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Jack Gladney posted:There is of course the wiki page on the opposite phenomenon, which really bothers me in an existential dread sort of way not entirely explained by those creepy dead-eyed facial reconstruction images, though the worst by far are the ones where they have the subject casually covering part of his or her face because the body was too badly damaged. Somehow, the implication of what must have happened is so much worse to me than reading about it outright: Of course Florida gets its own separate page
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Metal Loaf posted:This page on mysterious disappearances rather unnerves me. The idea that sometimes, someone can just up and vanish, essentially walking out of history, never to be seen again and often leaving no closure behind them, is a deeply uncomfortable one, to say the least. I actually find that - after reading it - it's fairly reassuring. Once you cross those that involve mental illness / political killings / family disputes / being at sea or in the wild (i.e. those that are unexplained but explicable), there's very few out-of-the-blue disappearances. Mind, there are some doozies in there - Zebb Quinn: quote:Quinn ended his shift at around 9pm and met a friend (Owens) before driving separately to look at a vehicle Quinn was considering buying. Owens later told police that Quinn signaled for him to pull over, saying he had received a page and needed to return the call. After Quinn returned from the pay phone, Owens described him as "frantic", saying that he needed to cancel their plans. As he drove off, he rear ended Owens' vehicle. Hours later, Owens was treated at the hospital for fractured ribs and a head injury that he said he sustained in a second car accident that evening. No accident report was filed with police. I can see an obvious suspect here ... quote:Two days after Quinn was last seen, a phone call was placed to where Quinn was employed from a man purporting to be him, saying he wouldn't be in to work because of illness. The coworker who received the phone call was familiar with Quinn's voice and became suspicious. The phone call was traced back to a Volvo plant where Owens worked. Owens admitted making the phone call, claiming that he was doing his friend a favor after Quinn called him and asked him to call in sick for him. Oh come on. You could at least try. And then it gets weird: quote:A review of phone records indicate that the page he received was dialed from the home of his paternal aunt. He had had very little contact with her and she denied making the call. She told police she was out having dinner with her friends and that her house was broken into that evening during that time frame. Although nothing was stolen, she reported that a few picture frames were moved around. quote:Two weeks after Quinn's disappearance, his vehicle was found parked near the hospital where his mother works. A pair of lips were drawn on the car's back windshield and a live Labrador mix puppy was found inside the vehicle. A hotel key card was found in the vehicle but investigators were unable to trace the key. Also found in the car were several drink bottles and a jacket that did not belong to Quinn. Police collected forensic evidence from the car, but uncovered no new leads. There's some other odd factoids scattered across numerous websites. So, a crime with an obvious suspect gets utterly strange and no one gets charged.
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Disappearing down the rabbit hole of strange disappearances: Brandon Swanson: student driving home late at night runs his car into a ditch, calls his parents for help. Parents are unable to find him but stay on the phone talking to him as he reports seeing the lights of a nearby town and walking towards them. Suddenly he crys out and is cut off. The phone remains live but unanswered for several hours but his body is never found: http://www.immelman.us/news/missing-person-brandon-swanson/ Nicole Morin: an 8-year-old girl says goodbye to her mother and leave her apartment to ride the lift down to the lobby where a friend is waiting. She never arrives, apparently disappearing somewhere in the building. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2010/08/01/nicole_morins_disappearance_still_haunts_her_family.html Barbara Bolick: whilst on a day-walk, her companion turns around to admire a view and turns back to find she has vanished: http://missoulian.com/news/local/mystery-lingers-around-woman-s-disappearance/article_11cf437d-1f68-54f8-8277-e336dcd6e7f3.html
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