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lowercase16 posted:Normally I'm a hug Carlin fanboy, so I'm a bit stymied. I need some help formulating an arguement. "People have literally fought and died for your right to vote." And mentioning privilege probably doesn't work with someone like that, but it's an insanely privileged position to not vote because you don't think anything will change because you're literally saying "voting won't affect me directly so why bother" because I doubt they'd honestly argue that everything is the same for literally everyone no matter who is in office. It's insanely myopic and selfish to acknowledge that you don't benefit from whether or not government programs are cut or expanded and so you just don't give a gently caress.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:"People have literally fought and died for your right to vote." But they also literally fought and died for your right not to.
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Nov 5, 2014 00:29
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mr. mephistopheles posted:"People have literally fought and died for your right to vote." "People are idiots. Just like Carlin always said!" 
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Nov 5, 2014 01:24
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Intel&Sebastian posted:But they also literally fought and died for your right not to. Not really. Like, you're right from an abstract and generic ~*~FREEDOM~*~ perspective, but people had to directly fight for the legal right to vote and they're not comparable.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:But they also literally fought and died for your right not to. Unless you're black, not really, and even there they didn't say that all Africans were inherently slaves (though in practice this was true).
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/04/midterms-2014-campaign-notebook/ posted:Malloy said the problem caused him to vote about 35 minutes late and may have discouraged others from casting ballots. His Republican challenger, Tom Foley, said there's no legitimate reason to extend voting hours in the capital city. Problems also were reported in a few other towns including Wolcott, where one polling place ran low on ballots briefly. Of course the machines are making them vote for those evil democrats  thanks fox news!
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Not really. Like, you're right from an abstract and generic ~*~FREEDOM~*~ perspective That's really all I meant. I wish there was some magic box where I could relinquish my voting rights, bring a few revolutionary soldiers and WW2 fodder back to life and not hear it again. There's plenty of great reasons to be voting besides crochety anger and ancient corpses.
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Nov 5, 2014 01:54
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Sir Tonk posted:Delirious and Raw are still pretty drat funny, guess it depends on the viewer. Considering the years they were made, the jokes were heavily in the mainstream. Some of the jokes hold up really well ("Doo-doo-dee-doo... ICE CREAM!"), but it's hard to look past the numerous "human being" jokes. It might have been mainstream, but it still contributed to the dehumanizing of gays. The DVD I have has an interview with Eddie Murphy where he recants those jokes and apologizes for them, and while that's a great start, those jokes still ruin it for me. To get back on topic -- Right Wing Media and its effect on the populace -- I've a number of coworkers that knock Murphy for apologizing, claiming he was pressured to by some kind of scary liberal agenda. Because hey, people realizing they were shitlords and gaining a bit of empathy has to be the end result of some scary shadow organization obsessed with turning ARE PRESHUS CHILDRUN into socialist communazi fagmosexuals. Regarding George Carlin and the subject of voting, I think that was another one example of his tendency toward hyperbole for the purposes of humor. He wasn't literally telling people not to vote, he was saying that the majority always votes for garbage because garbage is what our system produces. It wasn't an appeal to keep potential voters at home, it was an appeal to vote better, not just to vote for candidates who will make things work, but to encourage actual candidates who care. Or maybe not, and maybe he really was that cynical and I'm just being hopeful -- it's all right either way, because as great as Carlin was, he wasn't infallible. He said a lot of really stupid poo poo too, but at least he had the decency to admit he said it instead of claiming to have all the answers.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:How do you communicate to the Democratic party that they aren't entitled to your vote merely by being not-Republicans with your vote? Isn't low voter turn out exactly how you can convey it? It sounds stupid but you pick up the phone and you write letters (NOT e-mails). You'd be surprised how few people do this and how effectual it really is. That and you stop donating money and when they call you up to ask you why you tell them. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Yeah old school letters, for all the flaws in Western democracies, is one thing that can get a candidate to sit up and take notice in a hurry.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Some of the jokes hold up really well ("Doo-doo-dee-doo... ICE CREAM!"), but it's hard to look past the numerous "human being" jokes. It might have been mainstream, but it still contributed to the dehumanizing of gays. The DVD I have has an interview with Eddie Murphy where he recants those jokes and apologizes for them, and while that's a great start, those jokes still ruin it for me. Nah, he sounds sincere in that particular bit about not voting. Both sides are full of morons and are the exact same at the core, so why bother wasting your time? Also, nothing matters in the long run since the most powerful people at the top will always get their way (he went into this more in other bits). Social security, unions, and public education will all eventually be eradicated, and there's not a drat thing anybody can do about it because nobody gives a poo poo. I'm curious what he would have thought if he had lived long enough to see OWS, though.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:How do you communicate to the Democratic party that they aren't entitled to your vote merely by being not-Republicans with your vote? Isn't low voter turn out exactly how you can convey it? Low voter turnout can mean a lot of things (like "the opposing party is trying to keep turnout as low as possible so they can win easier").
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Intel&Sebastian posted:That's really all I meant. I wish there was some magic box where I could relinquish my voting rights, bring a few revolutionary soldiers and WW2 fodder back to life and not hear it again. There's plenty of great reasons to be voting besides crochety anger and ancient corpses. Of course, but when you're dealing with "what has voting done for me lately" shitheads, the best you can hope for is a base emotional appeal that makes them feel guilty enough to vote.
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Why not tell yourself you're voting "against" someone rather than "for" someone. At least that way it'll feel like your vote matters to some degree.
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rakovsky maybe posted:There is no "You lose" Ivan Vanko, Iron Man 2 I'm a business owner in Texas, and I can't say enough this outcome is the best thing for our state to remain the powerhouse that it is.
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Nov 5, 2014 04:43
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R-Type posted:"You lose" I hope you ship things via rail.
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R-Type posted:I'm a business owner in Texas, and I can't say enough this outcome is the best thing for our state to remain the powerhouse that it is. Powerhouse by what metric? Because you can bet that there are quite a few that don't look so good for you.
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StandardVC10 posted:Powerhouse by what metric? Because you can bet that there are quite a few that don't look so good for you. His business is worker injuries. You know, like in all those old metal videos where you have factories that just manufacture sparks? He runs those.
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Is Texas a powerhouse in leveling entire towns in chemical plant explosions?  Because that totally used to be New Jersey's bag
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StandardVC10 posted:Is Texas a powerhouse in leveling entire towns in chemical plant explosions? Well they've certainly had a strong showing the past 3 years.
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StandardVC10 posted:Is Texas a powerhouse in leveling entire towns in chemical plant explosions? That's just the Job Creators' way of telling you taxes are too high. Safety costs money and they're barely making ends' meet after Texas takes its cut.
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VitalSigns posted:Safety costs money and they're barely making ends' meet after Perry takes his cut. Hah, as if the state coffers ever actually get to see a single cent of the sweetheart deals that supposedly bring businesses here.
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You idiots, Texas has places like Houston which are huge boom towns for stuff like oil and gas. And as we know, boom towns can only go up up up, so we gotta keep doing things the exact same as always to keep them going! Also insert joke about West being a 'boom town' too.
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There are plenty of other states for you to choose from that may better serve your sensibilities, I suggest you might want to consider them if you feel the dynamics of Texas economy are based purely on bubbles.
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R-Type posted:There are plenty of other states for you to choose from that may better serve your sensibilities, I suggest you might want to consider them if you feel the dynamics of Texas economy are based purely on bubbles. Right, it just isn't an energy bubble. The economy is backed by an energy bubble AND many, massive job programs financed by the federal government. bedpan fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Republicans have made Texas the most job producing state in the history of the nation.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Regarding George Carlin and the subject of voting, I think that was another one example of his tendency toward hyperbole for the purposes of humor. He wasn't literally telling people not to vote, he was saying that the majority always votes for garbage because garbage is what our system produces. It wasn't an appeal to keep potential voters at home, it was an appeal to vote better, not just to vote for candidates who will make things work, but to encourage actual candidates who care. Or maybe not, and maybe he really was that cynical and I'm just being hopeful -- it's all right either way, because as great as Carlin was, he wasn't infallible. He said a lot of really stupid poo poo too, but at least he had the decency to admit he said it instead of claiming to have all the answers. If I get Carlin at all, which I'm not saying I do, he was at that point an idealist who had given up all hope of ever seeing his ideals come true. I'm not sure if he thought even his comedy might have any kind of impact, and seen in this way him abruptly interrupting whatever he's on about to throw some fart jokes in (which he tended to announce he was going to do) might be the most cynical part of his shows. As if to say, none of this poo poo will matter so might as well talk about absolutely nothing.
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Nonsense posted:Republicans have made Texas the most job producing state in the history of the nation. And on the other end of the spectrum they've turned PA into a poverty-stricken hellhole. 47th in job growth and our education budget had all the meat cut away so they started chopping up the bones too. PROGRESS! Interestingly enough, though, is that even though the state voted a majority for Republican House members our incumbent Republican governor got creamed in the election. Turns out even Republicans didn't like his uberconservative "only prisons get funding, ever, and by the way I'm not taking literally free money from the government because gently caress you" platform. Orange Devil posted:If I get Carlin at all, which I'm not saying I do, he was at that point an idealist who had given up all hope of ever seeing his ideals come true. I'm not sure if he thought even his comedy might have any kind of impact, and seen in this way him abruptly interrupting whatever he's on about to throw some fart jokes in (which he tended to announce he was going to do) might be the most cynical part of his shows. As if to say, none of this poo poo will matter so might as well talk about absolutely nothing. No, that's a lot of it. One thing he said time and time again was "this country is bought and sold. You don't actually have a choice." He even had several rants written about it and, as we're seeing now, it's basically true. Corporate interests influence the government waaaaay more than the people do and there is gently caress all we can do about it. Look at the insane wealth distribution and then realize that the gap is increasing. Carlin knew what was up and saw it coming pretty damned early. He admitted, when he was very old and a few years away from death, that he was, underneath all the cynicism, still an idealist. However, he realized how much humans sucked so he decided to suck by just sitting at the sidelines and watching the show. He ultimately realized how powerless he and the rest of the people were in the face of the absurdly rich so he basically decided to keep himself and others entertained until they died because, well, what the gently caress else could he do? ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Nonsense posted:Republicans have made Texas the most job producing state in the history of the nation. At the cost of what exactly? A State that has very lax rules regarding employee rights and very little corporate oversight? I spent a few minutes trying to find this but I know a few years back Perry in an ad called out California and told their businesses to come to Texas. I think the LA Times had a enormous article regarding excruciatingly lax laws for employers, pollution, etc
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Right, there have been a couple of articles showing how Perry's vaunted "Texas Miracle"--which will be a major plank of his 2016 primary candidacy--comes from slashing regulations, giving corporations sweetheart deals, and shifting the tax burden to the working class while cutting services. It's a great deal for corporations but he's not really enticing a lot of people to move to Texas in net numbers because a lot of people are moving to other states for better economic opportunities there.
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Man, seeing as how I get the majority of my Amero-centric news from this thread, seeing republican politicians act like insane idiotic children for 2 years and then be magically rewarded for this behavior by being given control of both the Senate and House is just astonishing. I'm done with this country. Like literally the republican parties main policy platform for the last god knows how many years have been "gently caress everyone poor, gently caress everyone not white, gently caress women, like literally, we want to force doctors to rape women with a wand if they dare to get an abortion, rape is a slippery slope" and then the country is like yep, let's give these guys more power.
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Chantilly Say posted:Right, there have been a couple of articles showing how Perry's vaunted "Texas Miracle"--which will be a major plank of his 2016 primary candidacy--comes from slashing regulations, giving corporations sweetheart deals, and shifting the tax burden to the working class while cutting services. It's a great deal for corporations but he's not really enticing a lot of people to move to Texas in net numbers because a lot of people are moving to other states for better economic opportunities there. And the opportunity to not get exploded. Don't forget that.
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Gozinbulx posted:Man, seeing as how I get the majority of my Amero-centric news from this thread, seeing republican politicians act like insane idiotic children for 2 years and then be magically rewarded for this behavior by being given control of both the Senate and House is just astonishing. I'm done with this country. Americans are fickle and have really short memories. I've always liked the analogy between the two major parties and UPS and FedEx. People pick, say, UPS to ship all their stuff. Everything is great for a few years. No problems. Then eventually UPS loses one of their packages and maybe a friend or family member has something damaged by UPS. They switch to FedEx because of those mistakes. Everything is great for a few years. Shipping costs are about the same, maybe a little less. Then after a while, FedEx damages a package and doesn't give a refund because Fine Print. Then maybe a close friend has a package lost by FedEx or something. Those mistakes cause them to go back to using UPS because they're kind of dumb and fickle and are over the UPS mistakes and hey maybe they deserve another chance and blah blah blah. Then the cycle repeats every few years. So yeah, Americans are fickle and have short memories.
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Tab8715 posted:At the cost of what exactly? A State that has very lax rules regarding employee rights and very little corporate oversight? Perry successfully sold the state of Texas both as both a brand & ideology. It's fair to say we've become more polarized than in the past, people are living where the ideology agrees with them, and not just where you get paid the most. Conservative states are growing larger, and liberal states remain static.
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