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GreyPowerVan posted:I believe it passed in D.C. (But being under a republican congress, there's no chance of anything happening from it) What is Congress going to do, exactly? DC is already ignoring federal law on the matter, and it doesn't cost the District anything to ignore it some more.
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It seems really hypocritical for weed to be legal in DC but illegal federally. Can we spin it that way for the tea partiers that are opposed to it?
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Py-O-My posted:What is Congress going to do, exactly? DC is already ignoring federal law on the matter, and it doesn't cost the District anything to ignore it some more. Congress can revoke DC's self-governance at any time with a simple law.
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quote:"Anything short of easy passage in all states is a major defeat for the deep pockets of the legalization advocates," said Kevin Sabet, co-founder of anti-legalization group Smart Approaches to Marijuana. 
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Nov 5, 2014 05:43
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So how is Alaska looking?
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Kevin Sabet posted:"Anything short of easy passage in all states is a major defeat for the deep pockets of the legalization advocates," said Kevin Sabet, co-founder of anti-legalization group Smart Approaches to Marijuana. I totally agree, because... Wait, WTF kind of drugs is this guy on?
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Brave New World posted:I totally agree, because... Wait, WTF kind of drugs is this guy on? Pharmaceutical. Or at least that's where he gets his funding from.
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Alaska polls just closed, I think. Also: Kevin Sabet @KevinSabet 4 minutes ago BREAKING: Lakewood, Colorado kicks out retail sales of marijuana! MAJOR win for us tonight!
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Py-O-My posted:Alaska polls just closed, I think. Well of course. Everyone knows the old saying "As goes Lakewood, Colorado, so goes the nation."
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Nov 5, 2014 07:14
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I need to open a twitter account and tell sabot that he lost DC, Oregon and Alaska.
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With 45% of precincts reporting, the California initiative to lessen the severity of most non-violent crimes from felonies to misdemeanors has a 17 point lead and should comfortably pass. This covers all drug charges involving personal use as long as the defendant does not have a history of violent crime. It allows for re-sentencing, but the language of the law instructs the court re-sentencing to closely consider context and personal history, so it will not be an automatic process and there is a chance that most currently doing time will not see their sentences lessened. Still, another step in winding down the War on Drugs.
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Nov 5, 2014 08:32
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Nov 5, 2014 10:29
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DC winning handily; barely beginning to announce results and NPR calling it at 65%. Some initial results showing 68%. No surprise, but had news. Batten down for some fun legal battles. Rand Paul already gone on record saying he'll defend the DC voters' decision. "It's happening!"/stopped clock/blind pig/etc.
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Nov 5, 2014 13:09
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Mr. Nice! posted:gently caress Sheldon Adelson. yup. but the measure just didn't get the 60%, however it did have majority approval. Eh wait another two years while a few more states don't suddenly explode or all turn gay from smoking the reefer. Even florida with our freshly re-elected, mobile penis looking, medicare fraud enabling, pleading the 5th 75 times on the stand governor still wont be able to turn down the potential tax revenue. Criminal gently caress, but hey... Ethics over profits? Nah thats just not the American way.
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Py-O-My posted:Alaska I assume at 97% reporting this is a win? That means (assuming DC isn't stomped out) 10% of the nation is legalized?
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John Morgan came out and said that United for Care is now going to lobby the government hard in Tallahassee to get it passed through the legislative method. Fat chance of that happening.
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Y'all simply must read Kevin Sabet's Twitter feed today: https://twitter.com/KevinSabet Tons of grasping at straws, lots of "DC doesn't really count as a win for drugs since it doesn't allow sales", "a narrow majority win doesn't really indicate real popular support", "plucky li'l Florida barely managed to fight off Big Weed with good old fashioned grass-roots gumption", etc. And lots of "big win for us! Bumfuck, CO, just passed a municipal referendum against weed stores. Take that stoners!" Totally ignoring that like huge chunks of the South this just means people have to drive to the city limits line where all the sin stores are. It's come provincial Not-In-My-Backyard poo poo from people worried about property values, vice any dire condemnation of the devil's lettuce. Oh, and lots of sweet, sweet "in two years we expect to see a huge rollback of these laws as hordes of weed-addled
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:And lots of "big win for us! Bumfuck, CO, just passed a municipal referendum against weed stores. Take that stoners!" Totally ignoring that like huge chunks of the South this just means people have to drive to the city limits line where all the sin stores are. It's come provincial Not-In-My-Backyard poo poo from people worried about property values, vice any dire condemnation of the devil's lettuce. Lakewood is a suburb of Denver, so people only need to go a few blocks at least or 2 miles at most to get to a store. Sounds pretty NIMBY to me.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Y'all simply must read Kevin Sabet's Twitter feed today: https://twitter.com/KevinSabet The Florida grassroots movement that was 85% funded by Sheldon Adelson and had 79 other supporters. Why do these guys lie so much?
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I'm confused, what does Adelson have to gain by going against marijuana in Florida? Why would a Casino magnate care about it so much?
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Tab8715 posted:I'm confused, what does Adelson have to gain by going against marijuana in Florida? Why would a Casino magnate care about it so much? He wanted Rick Scott re-elected so that when Scott expands gambling in Florida Sheldon will get his cut of it.
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He isn't. He and his wife run marijuana clinics in Israel. You know he doesn't care because he didn't touch any of the other legalization attempts. The guy is just a loving ogre who can't die soon enough. http://vice.com/read/the-shocking-and-weird-hypocrisy-of-floridas-marijuana-opponents-811 turnip kid fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Tab8715 posted:And he's against marijuana because...? If he opposes it now, he can keep his guy in office and then support the legalization attempt in 2 years.
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Tab8715 posted:And he's against marijuana because...? He was against it in Florida because Democrats tend to vote for legalization and he wanted the Republican to win.
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Oregon and DC were no surprise but Alaska was. If Alaska is passing a referendum in an off-year then you have to think that, as red as they are, Arizona and Montana are in play for 2016.
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Hasn't weed been mostly legal or unenforced in Alaska for years? I could see it passing in Montana but Arizona seems like a big stretch, whatever happen to it passing in California or did they just give up for now?
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Elotana posted:Oregon and DC were no surprise but Alaska was. If Alaska is passing a referendum in an off-year then you have to think that, as red as they are, Arizona and Montana are in play for 2016. Alaska isn't really "red" in the same sense that Arizona is, so I wouldn't really take Alaska passing it as an indication of anything. Though it's no secret that in general marijuana decriminalization is gaining bi-partisan favor. It wouldn't surprise me if main-stream Republicans just stop talking about it one-way or the other. The easiest way to deflect is their "states rights" talking point.
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Tab8715 posted:And he's against marijuana because...? The only reason Amendment 2 even got on the ballot was because of millions pumped in by John Morgan of the Morgan & Morgan law firm. Charlie Crist has been working for him since he left office and failed to get a senate seat. John Morgan was using amendment 2 to get Crist elected. Adelson fought against 2 to drive conservatives to the polls. Had he not, Crist and amendment 2 would have won by a landslide. Prior to his involvement, amendment 2 polled routinely over 80%.
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I don't hnestly believe Amendment 2 had any effect on Crist or Scott.
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lil mortimer posted:I don't hnestly believe Amendment 2 had any effect on Crist or Scott. other than the "goddamn liberals and their drugs" angle. and hell Crist was only in the running because he was "not rick scott"
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Tab8715 posted:Hasn't weed been mostly legal or unenforced in Alaska for years? It's been a gray area, legal in homes, but not outside of them, and not legal to sell. California, probably 2016, but between medical marijuana and now making possession a misdemeanor, it's basically legal.
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Tab8715 posted:Hasn't weed been mostly legal or unenforced in Alaska for years? I could see it happening in AZ sooner than might be otherwise expected. A large number of Republicans in this state are not culture warriors in the same sense that Republicans from Alabama might be. All that needs to be done is couch it in terms of "lets stop spending money on enforcing stupid drug laws and spend it to shore up the border instead. Coyotes will also have to raise their prices to make ends meet if they're not able to make money by having people carry the stuff across the border anymore, so that will reduce illegal immigration too. Win/win!" Edit: Capitalizing some letters. Spergin Morlock fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Nov 5, 2014 20:39
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Darkman Fanpage posted:I hate living in Florida. Try living in Alabama 
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Nov 5, 2014 20:45
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rscott posted:Try living in Kansas I actually think in all of my local, state, and federal elections, only one democrat won. Even our county treasurer, which one lady has been doing for over 20 years as a Democrat, was voted out on the basis of "gently caress democrats", because she was doing a pretty good job.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:I hate living in Florida. It got 57% of the voters, and lots more supporters were ineligible or stoned. Just two more years!
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platzapS posted:It got 57% of the voters, and lots more supporters were ineligible or stoned. Just two more years! Fringe idea here, but if 2016 is going to have more young voters, a few more old ones will die off, 5+ states will be having their own legalization votes, and Sheldon presumably won't be pouring bajillions into "No", could Florida just skip over all this stuff and straight legalize weed? They had 57% for medical but missed because (bafflingly?) they went for a constitutional amendment. Is it just totally implausible that they could summon a straight 50% for full legal under a proper alignment of the planets in 2016?
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