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Grifter posted:If nothing was restricted and the only banned cards were ante/conspiracy/other weirdness cards, what would the top Legacy decks be? I'm thinking some sort of blue/black tendrils deal. Delver 
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Nov 5, 2014 21:08
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Comedy option: Flash combo for those delicious turn 0 wins.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:11
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Grifter posted:If nothing was restricted and the only banned cards were ante/conspiracy/other weirdness cards, what would the top Legacy decks be? I'm thinking some sort of blue/black tendrils deal. Vintage has an archetype that's basically "My cards are better than yours", with a copy of tons of restricted ways to draw cards and add mana, with the win condition sometimes being Tinker or Time Vault or Tendrils of Agony. It would likely be something like that with lots of permission, or potentially something even weirder. There would be a lot of blue and black cards because so many of those are restricted, but colour of mana becomes less relevant when you can play 4 Black Lotus, 20 Mox, 4 Sol Ring, 4 Mana Crypt, 4 Mana Vault, and your only actual lands are probably 2 Tolarian Academy.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:12
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Snacksmaniac posted:With or without power?
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Nov 5, 2014 21:15
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Grifter posted:If nothing was restricted and the only banned cards were ante/conspiracy/other weirdness cards, what would the top Legacy decks be? I'm thinking some sort of blue/black tendrils deal. Your talking bout a format with 4 lotus, 4 of each mox 4 brainstorm 4 recall 4 time walk? Yeah probably UB storm.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:18
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Grifter posted:With, I should have said Vintage rather than Legacy. Every deck would have 4 Sol Ring, 4 Mox, 4 Lotus, 4 Lotus petal, 4 Demonic Tutor, 4 Time Walk, etc. + Tendrils. Whoever went first would win. You can't even Force of Will Tendrils, you can only Flusterstorm or Stifle the Storm trigger, and if you have no mana, you're hosed. The deck would probably be like 4 Timetwister 4 Demonic Tutor 4 Vampiric Tutor 4 Time Walk 4 Ancestrall Recall 4 Brainstorm 1 Tendrils of Agony 4 Mox Ruby 4 Mox Emerald 4 Mox Sapphire 4 Mox Pearl 4 Mox Jet 4 Black Lotus Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Nov 5, 2014 21:19
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Angry Grimace posted:Whoever went first would win. Next meta: add Leyline of Anticipation, go off during your opponent's first upkeep.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:23
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gently caress it, anyone want to brew for this format and maybe play on Cockatrice? Here's my list: 4 Black Lotus 4 Mox Sapphire 4 Mox Jet 4 Mana Crypt 4 Time Vault 4 Voltaic Key 4 Demonic Tutor 4 Dark Ritual 4 Vampiric Tutor 4 Gitaxian Probe 4 Force of Will 4 Mindbreak Trap 4 Tinker 4 Leyline of Anticipation 1 Tolarian Academy 1 Blightsteel Colossus 1 Yawgmoth's Will 1 Tendrils of Agony Sideboard 4 Pithing Needle 4 Flusterstorm 4 Leyline of the Void 3 Hurkyl's Recall I don't know if players even want Timetwister, because giving the opponent more chances to draw Force of Will is bad.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:24
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If storm were that degenerate, surely people would start maindecking mindbreak trap? It solves the problem of auto-losing on the draw.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:26
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Angry Grimace posted:Every deck would have 4 Sol Ring, 4 Mox, 4 Lotus, 4 Lotus petal, 4 Demonic Tutor, 4 Time Walk, etc. + Tendrils. Whoever went first would win. You can't even Force of Will Tendrils, you can only Flusterstorm or Stifle the Storm trigger, and if you have no mana, you're hosed. I'd love to see some sort of inbred combo-counter package with ESG/SSG and Manamorphose to get a blue mana before your first turn. 4 ESG 4 SSG 4 Gemstone Caverns 4 Manamorphose 4 Serum Powder 4 Street Wraith 4 Stifle 4 Mindbreak Trap Then like.. Flash-Hulk & maybe some Anti-Tendrils stuff?
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Nov 5, 2014 21:27
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Angry Grimace posted:Every deck would have 4 Sol Ring, 4 Mox, 4 Lotus, 4 Lotus petal, 4 Demonic Tutor, 4 Time Walk, etc. + Tendrils. Whoever went first would win. You can't even Force of Will Tendrils, you can only Flusterstorm or Stifle the Storm trigger, and if you have no mana, you're hosed. Edit: ^^^^lol 4 Mindbreak Trap 4 Force of Will 4 Simian Spirit Guide 4 Elvish Spirit Guide 4 Stifle 4 Commandeer 4 Gemstone Cavern 4 Ancestral Recall 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Leyline of Anticipation 4 Black Lotus 15 non-white Moxen 1 Forced Fruition Can't possibly lose.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:28
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:If storm were that degenerate, surely people would start maindecking mindbreak trap? It solves the problem of auto-losing on the draw. Tendrils of Agony is not as degenerate as Time Vault, which would be the real bane of such a format. But there's a possibility of Null Rod decks existing, which would actually keep the metagame from being too incestuous.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:28
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4 Leyline of Sanctity 4 Serum Powder 4 Flash 4 Gemstone Cavern 4 Elvish Spirit Guide 4 Simian Spirit Guide 4 Protean Hulk 4 Mental Misstep 4 Force of Will 4 Pact of Negation 1 Bile Urchin 1 Body Double 1 Karmic Guide 1 Viscera Seer 1 Reveillark 1 Ronom Unicorn 1 Phantasmal Image 4 Chancellor of the Annex +9 more cards Going all in on winning on the opponent's upkeep here. Leyline of Sanctity wins against tendrils but there's not a really satisfactory answer to vault+key aside from hoping you get more missteps. Actually Loyal Retainers doesn't work  Phantasmal Image works just fine though, as something to fetch with ronom unicorn to get rid of leylines.
Zoness fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Nov 5, 2014 21:29
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Chamale posted:I don't know if players even want Timetwister, because giving the opponent more chances to draw Force of Will is bad.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:32
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Chamale posted:gently caress it, anyone want to brew for this format and maybe play on Cockatrice? Here's my list: It makes no difference. Force of Will adds to Storm Count; you literally win by having Tendrils in your hand.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:33
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Wadjamaloo posted:With enough redundancy is force even good? As mentioned, they can't hit your tendrils. The force your lotus and you just drop a few MOX instead. They would have to force the exact right spell, which I think would be mostly up to chance. Or Gitaxian Probe. This format is so bizarre that it's fun to think about. Is a huge pile of Moxen even good when someone might try to shut you down with Null Rod? Do you have enough card draw to always find your 1 copy of Death Wish and get whatever you need from the sideboard?
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Nov 5, 2014 21:33
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Chamale posted:Or Gitaxian Probe. You would lose by being on the draw in the first place unless the whole format warped around Leylines (which it basically would since you would lose almost instantly if you didn't have one out.) Vintage chat: I had a Blightsteel Colossus out and Oath active and my opponent top-decked the final piece he needed to sac his Forgemaster for a Duplicant. 
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Nov 5, 2014 21:35
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Chamale posted:Or Gitaxian Probe. All Moxen mana base? Chalice of the Void. 
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Nov 5, 2014 21:45
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Grifter posted:If nothing was restricted and the only banned cards were ante/conspiracy/other weirdness cards, what would the top Legacy decks be? I'm thinking some sort of blue/black tendrils deal. The best deck would be one that uses a trick coin to win the flip and go first.
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Nov 5, 2014 21:46
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Entropic posted:The best deck would be one that uses a trick coin to win the flip and go first. There's enough turn 0 effects and ways to win that this isn't necessarily true - Flash, Leylines, Chancellor of the Annex, etc. Pretty sure every deck needs 4x Serum Powder though. Zoness fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Nov 5, 2014 |
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Nov 5, 2014 21:49
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A local store just held a 'no ban list' modern event. Unfortunately they rescheduled it without announcing so basically nobody ended up going and I don't even know which deck won. I have to assume storm with all the good cantrips and misstep.
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Nov 5, 2014 22:12
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basically a counter war on turn 1 every game. Every deck is blue.
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Nov 5, 2014 22:17
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:A local store just held a 'no ban list' modern event. Unfortunately they rescheduled it without announcing so basically nobody ended up going and I don't even know which deck won. No-ban Affinity is pretty dumb.
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Nov 5, 2014 22:46
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Angry Grimace posted:No-ban Affinity is pretty
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Nov 5, 2014 22:49
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:A local store just held a 'no ban list' modern event. Unfortunately they rescheduled it without announcing so basically nobody ended up going and I don't even know which deck won. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some disgusting degenerate combo deck that could T2 every game. So it would probably be storm as others have said above.
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Nov 5, 2014 22:50
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Hyper genesis would be my pick.
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Nov 5, 2014 22:59
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I don't have a banlist handy, what pieces would banless Affinity get back? Just artifact lands and Skullclamp? Which is still a lot, mind you.
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Nov 5, 2014 23:14
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Snacksmaniac posted:Hyper genesis would be my pick. Easily. Hypergenesis is stupid dumb. http://www.channelfireball.com/videos/the-modern-banned-series-hypergenesis/
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Nov 5, 2014 23:18
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I was speculating about new un-set cards with some friends the other night, and my new favorite idea is for Counter Spell which would cost U and put a +1/+1 counter on a target creature.
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Nov 5, 2014 23:27
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theironjef posted:I was speculating about new un-set cards with some friends the other night, and my new favorite idea is for Counter Spell which would cost U and put a +1/+1 counter on a target creature. I liked the Reminder Sliver that Del Laugel (I think it was?) came up with: "Sliver creatures you control have reminder text. (Reminder text looks like this.)".
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Nov 5, 2014 23:34
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theironjef posted:I was speculating about new un-set cards with some friends the other night, and my new favorite idea is for Counter Spell which would cost U and put a +1/+1 counter on a target creature. Ambiguity has made that joke, in a way.
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Nov 5, 2014 23:56
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theironjef posted:I was speculating about new un-set cards with some friends the other night, and my new favorite idea is for Counter Spell which would cost U and put a +1/+1 counter on a target creature. Counters Spells U Counter Target Spell Sorcery
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Nov 5, 2014 23:58
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With this crazy format, I'm giggling like a madman thinking about how a storm vs. storm matchup would go if both players started with Leyline of Anticipation in play. Neither player would want to cast their Tendrils first.
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Nov 6, 2014 00:10
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suicidesteve posted:Counters Spells Mystic Denial
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Nov 6, 2014 00:12
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Lobsterpillar posted:Ambiguity has made that joke, in a way. drat, well then on to my new green creature, Target Creature, who is a little ambulatory archery target that tends to gain a lot of abilities.
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Nov 6, 2014 00:21
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Since we're talking about Un-Set, after a discussion with my friends today, I asked MaRo about Un-Set Jaya Ballard. He either didn't get, or deliberately skirted, my question, but the idea was: Have an Un-set Jaya Ballard who cares about you casting spells with Jaya Ballard Flavour text.
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Nov 6, 2014 00:33
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Yo, so I want to buy the Commander stuff coming out. Any recommendations for what online website I should go purchase them from?
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Nov 6, 2014 00:49
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I remember playing a format way back in the day, probably around Mirrodin, that was 15 card decks, Vintage ban list, max one copy of each card, you don't lose for failing to draw a card and the game is a draw if both players run out of cards and the board state is a stalemate. It created some fun metagame situations as people played more and more games, but I think so much stuff has been printed since then that the format would be completely unplayable now. Hell, I don't even think vault/key worked at the time, let alone turn 0 kills being possible.
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Nov 6, 2014 00:52
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Ramos posted:Yo, so I want to buy the Commander stuff coming out. Any recommendations for what online website I should go purchase them from? Scrounge around in a Walmart or a Target first. You can actually get acceptable prices for precons there. I'm probably gonna be That Guy and grab up all the Red Precons for myself when I go in on Friday to put them out in the first place. 
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