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Pinterest Mom posted:Just pick a midwestern governor at random, that's who's going to beat Hillary. I really do believe that the "will do anything to get elected" charge is going to stick to her, hard. Because being passionate about her country and wanting to lead it - thats totally going to be a black eye for her. The only people who could make that attack would be the Republicans, and they are going for the much more nuanced and subtle "She's old, and feeble - gently caress her!" and full scale white hot misoginystic rage.
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Fulchrum posted:Because being passionate about her country and wanting to lead it - thats totally going to be a black eye for her. Eh, he last campaign was basically a joke. Maybe I didn't look deep enough into it but it was all slogans and no substance. I thought it was ineffective and hilarious more than anything. She sure as hell sounded like she's sacrifice a thousand goats and all the firstborn in Nebraska to win, though. We'll see if she does better this time around but I for one wouldn't get my hopes up after that last god awful campaign. That being said I'm really, really hoping that Warren runs. Can I vote for her, please? PLEASE?
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Nov 5, 2014 22:35
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Eh, he last campaign was basically a joke. Maybe I didn't look deep enough into it but it was all slogans and no substance. I thought it was ineffective and hilarious more than anything. She sure as hell sounded like she's sacrifice a thousand goats and all the firstborn in Nebraska to win, though. We'll see if she does better this time around but I for one wouldn't get my hopes up after that last god awful campaign. You realize last time she only ran a primary campaign and she and Obama agreed on 95% of the issues, right? No poo poo the primary campaign was substance-less, so was Obama's. Warren would only run if Clinton needed her to run as a prop.
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Hillary is still hugely divisive but she's also been the least controllable major Presidential candidate with the most balls since at least her husband ( ) and I think the best we can realistically do for the foreseeable future. She still sucks corporate cock () which makes all of this a sad loving state of affairs but unlike a lot of leftists, I'm not an accelerationist and would prefer her to a Republican in the White House.I am the anti-Sedan Chair.
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Warren is not running as long as Hillary is. Honestly, odds are she will never run if Hillary does and becomes president, since Warren is already 65. Her time is either now or never (if running for President).
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Nov 6, 2014 00:35
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FlamingLiberal posted:Warren is not running as long as Hillary is. Honestly, odds are she will never run if Hillary does and becomes president, since Warren is already 65. Her time is either now or never (if running for President). I liked the last Warren court....
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Nov 6, 2014 00:39
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Trabisnikof posted:I liked the last Warren court.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZCXVCAHrgI
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Nov 6, 2014 00:42
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Skwirl posted:Which Republican is a better candidate than Hillary Clinton? Jeb Bush is probably the least dirty, but him not being a complete lunatic about immigration is going to result in some primary season hilarity. If you go to the lower Midwest, you'll find a belt of Republican governors - Kasich, Pence, Heineman - who are popular in their home states, well-liked by both the Tea Party and the Establishment, and haven't (publically) done anything dumb enough to get them ridiculed on the national stage yet. The Republican establishment will trot out one of these guys if Jeb doesn't run. They aren't better candidates than Hillary (she has more name-recognition, more connections, isn't a member of the process-the-poor-into-fertilizer party and would eviscerate any of them in a debate), but if the Republicans make the environment sufficiently toxic over the next couple of years, one of them could coast to victory on the back of "well, look how bad the democrats done did" sentiment. Particularly if Hillary is as bad at mobilizing the Democratic base as some people assume she will be, though I tend to think folks are overtly pessimistic there.
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Nov 6, 2014 00:58
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Pinterest Mom posted:I'm feeling the O'Malley O'mentum. Gah, thought I was in CanPol and Kady was running for something. On US presidentiaal primaries, I'm rooting for Diamond Joe.
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Nov 6, 2014 02:16
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FlamingLiberal posted:Warren is not running as long as Hillary is. Honestly, odds are she will never run if Hillary does and becomes president, since Warren is already 65. Her time is either now or never (if running for President). Yeah I know but I can still hope. Of all the people I see on the potential slate she's the one I like the most and the one I would vote for the hardest.
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I agree 100%. I had the opportunity to meet with her at a private fundraiser here in Orlando, and she's the real deal.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Eh, he last campaign was basically a joke. Maybe I didn't look deep enough into it but it was all slogans and no substance. I thought it was ineffective and hilarious more than anything. She sure as hell sounded like she's sacrifice a thousand goats and all the firstborn in Nebraska to win, though. We'll see if she does better this time around but I for one wouldn't get my hopes up after that last god awful campaign. Her primary campaign against Obama helped start birtherism.
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Nov 6, 2014 04:06
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Chantilly Say posted:Her primary campaign against Obama helped start birtherism. Obama being black is the root cause of Birtherism.
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Nov 6, 2014 04:10
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Pinterest Mom posted:Just pick a midwestern governor at random, that's who's going to beat Hillary. I really do believe that the "will do anything to get elected" charge is going to stick to her, hard. MIGF has me pretty certain that Rauner will be the next president... edit:  I hope
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Nov 6, 2014 05:53
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Skwirl posted:Obama being black is the root cause of Birtherism. Racism wasn't sprung fully formed from the head of Obama's blackness.
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Nov 6, 2014 05:55
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Trabisnikof posted:I liked the last Warren court.... Nominating a justice older than 60? Are you nuts?
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Nov 6, 2014 07:33
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I so badly want Cruz to be the nominee so I can watch the Clinton machine grind him into dust like he so richly deserves.
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Ninjasaurus posted:I so badly want Cruz to be the nominee so I can watch the Clinton machine grind him into dust like he so richly deserves. Then Hillary strokes out or some poo poo and we get President Cruz by default. No thanks. Someone sane for the Republican ticket please (lol).
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Nov 6, 2014 12:18
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Nov 6, 2014 12:49
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Fulchrum posted:You realise there's this thing called the vice president, right? I meant before election day, should have been clearer.
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Nov 6, 2014 13:00
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MC Nietzche posted:Then Hillary strokes out or some poo poo and we get President Cruz by default. No thanks. Someone sane for the Republican ticket please (lol). If Hillary strokes out during the campaign then her running mate gets the sympathy vote.
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Nov 6, 2014 13:03
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Ninjasaurus posted:I so badly want Cruz to be the nominee so I can watch the Clinton machine grind him into dust like he so richly deserves. Clinton machine? She's likely to hire loyal idiots rather than effective managers and she can't go a week without saying something stupid lately.
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Nov 6, 2014 13:16
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MC Nietzche posted:I meant before election day, should have been clearer. So did I. Whoever is Hilarys VP will still have her resources and her connections if Hilary dies, and will still crush Cruz like a bug. Mitt Romney posted:Clinton machine? She's likely to hire loyal idiots rather than effective managers and she can't go a week without saying something stupid lately.
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Radish posted:I can't wait for candidates to start pandering to a state that just elected a Sarah Palin knock off. The scary thing isn't that some ultra-crazy tea party chick is now improbably a senator for Iowa, the scary thing is that Iowa(and Florida and a bunch of other purple-ish swing states) now have Republican governors. The Senate isn't going to get much of an opportunity to gently caress around with the machinery of democracy, state and local politicians will and you can bet your rear end the GOP will take the opportunity to do so if it arises. FlamingLiberal posted:Warren is not running as long as Hillary is. Honestly, odds are she will never run if Hillary does and becomes president, since Warren is already 65. Her time is either now or never (if running for President). I think 2014 makes a strong case for Warren '16, actually. She was the only Democrat of prominence to put together anything like a coherent message on the economy. Hillary and other Democratic leaders can rattle off the occasional stump speech applause line about raising the minimum wage and equal pay for women, but it stops there because to go further into the causes of the middle class's malaise is to start discussing the role our parasitic rentier elite(and, of course, their bought politicians) have played in creating it. Going from talking points to an agenda strong enough to define your campaign means taking on the banks, Warren can do that and Hillary doesn't seem to be willing to. The Insect Court fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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My biggest issue with Hillary is that if she is elected it will be a repeat of Bush handling of Palestine, insisting it's an issue that should be solved by Israelis and Palestinians, while practically endorsing the settlements and blaming the Palestinians for not accepting whatever scraps being offered to them. Obama have been toothless in handling Israel but at least he have raised the notion that Israel is not genuine in participating in the peace process.
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Skwirl posted:Obama being black is the root cause of Birtherism. That said, it did not sprout from the ground, it started somewhere and that somewhere was the Hillary Is 44 forums and her campaign. So, yes, it was her campaign that started it.
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Mitt Romney posted:Clinton machine? She's likely to hire loyal idiots rather than effective managers and she can't go a week without saying something stupid lately. Well if anyone would know, it's Mitt Romney. The Insect Court posted:I think 2014 makes a strong case for Warren '16, actually. She was the only Democrat of prominence to put together anything like a coherent message on the economy. Hillary and other Democratic leaders can rattle off the occasional stump speech applause line about raising the minimum wage and equal pay for women, but it stops there because to go further into the causes of the middle class's malaise is to start discussing the role our parasitic rentier elite(and, of course, their bought politicians) have played in creating it. Going from talking points to an agenda strong enough to define your campaign means taking on the banks, Warren can do that and Hillary doesn't seem to be willing to. I still don't see in this analysis how you go from "I like Warren better" to "The election results strongly suggest she was lying and is now much more likely to run against Hillary".
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Rincewinds posted:My biggest issue with Hillary is that if she is elected it will be a repeat of Bush handling of Palestine, insisting it's an issue that should be solved by Israelis and Palestinians, while practically endorsing the settlements and blaming the Palestinians for not accepting whatever scraps being offered to them. Obama have been toothless in handling Israel but at least he have raised the notion that Israel is not genuine in participating in the peace process. So she'll be just like every other U. S. President since Truman.
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Joementum posted:RandPAC isn't wasting any time. Oh good, this stuff still makes my blood boil and actively makes me want to volunteer for Hillary when I was considering sitting 2016 out. Keep it up, GOP, you'll have us young'ns out to the polls in no time!
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Nov 6, 2014 17:20
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Chokes McGee posted:Keep it up, GOP, you'll have us young'ns out to the polls in no time! Well, 18-20% of us, anyway. (Optimistically)
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Nov 6, 2014 17:23
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Slate Action posted:Well, 18-20% of us, anyway. (Optimistically) Can't be worse than Florida state elections this year when the Democrats literally ran a Republican candidate for governor.
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Nov 6, 2014 17:29
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Cythereal posted:Can't be worse than Florida state elections this year when the Democrats literally ran a Republican candidate for governor. It was the final evolution of Clintonian "move right to steal GOP voters" philosophy.
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Here's the think folks don't get about the Clinton Machine: Its a glacier. The next 6 to 9 months will be crucial for Clinton loyalists fighting to analyze 2014 and determine when Hillary should announce and how far to the center she should go. Hillary won't do anything until she thinks she knows why Ds lost 2014 so hard.
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^^^ Ugh that was like a horrible mix of Thomas Friedman and Dick Morris. I could see their brows knitting as they worked their revelation out.Radish posted:It was the final evolution of Clintonian "move right to steal GOP voters" philosophy.
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Radish posted:It was the final evolution of Clintonian "move right to steal GOP voters" philosophy. It was more "The Florida State Democratic Party is more poo poo than the california GOP, and at least this guy won an election and wasn't completely terrible." I mean, it was that or run Sink again. And with the turnout model of this election she'd be lucky to get within 200k. The florida dem bench is so thin it's not really a bench but more of a stool with the seat ripped off.
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OAquinas posted:I mean, it was that or run Sink again. And with the turnout model of this election she'd be lucky to get within 200k. The florida dem bench is so thin it's not really a bench but more of a stool with the seat ripped off. Would Patrick Murphy, my hero for beating Allen West, be a good candidate to take on Rubio?
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OAquinas posted:It was more "The Florida State Democratic Party is more poo poo than the california GOP, and at least this guy won an election and wasn't completely terrible." FL-13 (most of Pinellas County and a slice of Tampa) had no Democrat on the ballot for Congress this year. That still blows my mind.
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Ganon posted:Would Patrick Murphy, my hero for beating Allen West, be a good candidate to take on Rubio? Gwen Graham. Now a congresswoman, from North FL where Dems can pick up extra votes, beat a Republican, Graham name. She might be better off running for gov in 2018 though. Come to think of it, a governor may play well to insulate the nominee from Obama if he stays in the toilet, but aside from Cuomo (nope), Hickenlooper (almost lost), OMalley (his LG lost bc of his tax policies, most likely), and Deval Patrick (maybe?), I can't think of one who'd ever rationally be interested. Schweitzer's going nowhere. Yep, time to just bring back Howard Dean.
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