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Isn't it a little strange that Caliborn "finished" the game, and for whatever reason all he wants to do is make a dumb story? Didn't he detest Calliope for the exact same thing he's doing now? I'm really curious to see where this is going, because big hulking mob monster is starting to feel like a bigger leap from dumb kid that can't draw animes.
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Cavatica posted:Isn't it a little strange that Caliborn "finished" the game, and for whatever reason all he wants to do is make a dumb story? Didn't he detest Calliope for the exact same thing he's doing now? I'm really curious to see where this is going, because big hulking mob monster is starting to feel like a bigger leap from dumb kid that can't draw animes. Well, it's not like he has anything else to do.
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Nov 6, 2014 16:27
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Once he figures out that "his" story isn't actually his story, he will flip out and decide to destroy everything. Because that a normal, natural reaction. So are the White Textboxes Crowbar's "outward" thoughts, and the Green ones a more inner dialogue? The green's a little bit sassy and less formal, where as the white almost feel like it's Doc Scratch talking to him, or the way Crowbar would talk to that hatless wonder. Also, where is Number 8 on the hierarchy? I would have thought former royalty like herself would be the number three, with Crowbar relegated once again down to number four?
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Nov 6, 2014 16:44
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Cavatica posted:Isn't it a little strange that Caliborn "finished" the game, and for whatever reason all he wants to do is make a dumb story? Didn't he detest Calliope for the exact same thing he's doing now? I'm really curious to see where this is going, because big hulking mob monster is starting to feel like a bigger leap from dumb kid that can't draw animes. e: and I guess partly Caliborn's standard MO of having a really stupid idea but persevering with it until, against all logic, it works. Somehow this will turn him into Lord English, unless there's another twist in the tale. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Nov 6, 2014 |
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Nov 6, 2014 16:47
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life_source posted:Also, where is Number 8 on the hierarchy? No. 8 falls under No. 1's policy of Bitches, and the Aquisition Thereof. She doesn't make any commands, but since she can't really be threatened she doesn't take any either. She's just around until she needs to be killed, and uses that time to make Slick's life a living hell. e: life_source posted:So are the White Textboxes Crowbar's "outward" thoughts, and the Green ones a more inner dialogue? The green's a little bit sassy and less formal, where as the white almost feel like it's Doc Scratch talking to him, or the way Crowbar would talk to that hatless wonder. I think the artist is just swapping between the two to help keep things visually distinct, they alternate every panel rather than there being other voices.
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Nov 6, 2014 16:49
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life_source posted:Also, where is Number 8 on the hierarchy? I would have thought former royalty like herself would be the number three, with Crowbar relegated once again down to number four? I get the impression that Snowman isn't really part of the normal Felt command structure. File under "wild card", "mysterious, treacherous dame", "I'm afraid capricious acts of God are not covered by this insurance policy", and so forth. Probably obeys Doc Scratch most of the time, occasionally gives other Felt guys "advice" but not all that often. Maybe once in a while Crowbar asks her to do something and maybe she does it, but, you know, wild card.
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Nov 6, 2014 16:59
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Ohman, we're going to see the Casino Heist that started the Intermission. 
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Nov 6, 2014 17:05
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Cavatica posted:Isn't it a little strange that Caliborn "finished" the game, and for whatever reason all he wants to do is make a dumb story? Didn't he detest Calliope for the exact same thing he's doing now? I'm really curious to see where this is going, because big hulking mob monster is starting to feel like a bigger leap from dumb kid that can't draw animes. I'm guessing it's the same deal with him talking in Calliope's blood color. By taking everything that she had and was and incorporating it into himself in his own twisted, shithead ways, in his mind he is achieving true predomination.
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Nov 6, 2014 17:19
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Stupid thought, based on half remembered stuff, but why are we so sure Lord English is Caliborn? We know Calliope has an alternative self they're hunting for, and that she somehow won the battle with her Caliborn. What's to say Alt-Calliope isn't Lord English, and all this Caliborn stuff isn't a ruse? Of course, this being Hussie, Caliborn 100% being Lord English in the most direct way possible would be a possiblity. Or this also being Hussie, Lord English being Nicholas Cage through a series of heretofore unrevealed events and game rules pulled out of thin air is equally valid. Actually, why does anyone try to predict things at all, when Hussie has clearly said he only has up to his current page planned, and then does whatever he wants when it's time to draw more?
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Nov 6, 2014 19:53
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He does a good job of making new revelations jive with existing plot threads, and he also does a lot of foreshadowing and setup even if he doesn't always know what it is he's foreshadowing or setting up yet when he does it. Plus, we've read thousands of pages of his work at this point and have learned something about his impulses and inclinations as a writer. Taken together we can at least try to predict some possible ways he might take the story, even if our track record isn't great.
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Nov 6, 2014 20:01
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Kurui Reiten posted:Stupid thought, based on half remembered stuff, but why are we so sure Lord English is Caliborn? We know Calliope has an alternative self they're hunting for, and that she somehow won the battle with her Caliborn. What's to say Alt-Calliope isn't Lord English, and all this Caliborn stuff isn't a ruse? Honestly I noticed hints that make me think John might somehow become English. Ranging from the spot where he got his new time-glitch powers to most recently Caliborn's rendering of his fan character which to me has the head of Terrible Anime John
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Nov 6, 2014 20:01
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Kurui Reiten posted:Stupid thought, based on half remembered stuff, but why are we so sure Lord English is Caliborn? We know Calliope has an alternative self they're hunting for, and that she somehow won the battle with her Caliborn. What's to say Alt-Calliope isn't Lord English, and all this Caliborn stuff isn't a ruse? Lord English has red cheeks, a gold tooth, and a missing leg. Calliope has none of these things. An adult Calliope cannot have one of these things, quite aside from being the wrong gender. On top of that, Caliborn's primary villainous trait is his misogyny, which Lord English carries (notice how he enjoys enslaving women). Lord English is also brutish and persistent, with the way he blew up half the afterlife chasing Vriska's hearty crew. I can imagine Lord English not being Caliborn through some twist. But it doesn't at all work for him to be Calliope.
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Nov 6, 2014 20:05
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Also in the latest PX, Crowbar mentions that his boss used to give him a lot of lip, which sounds like Caliborn to me.
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Nov 6, 2014 20:17
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krakagar posted:Also in the latest PX, Crowbar mentions that his boss used to give him a lot of lip, which sounds like Caliborn to me. The fact that this insinuates he's the same boss from "the old days" and the fact this PXS comic is being written by Hussie himself basically confirms it, doesn't it?
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Nov 6, 2014 20:34
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Tenebrais posted:Lord English has red cheeks, a gold tooth, and a missing leg. Calliope has none of these things. An adult Calliope cannot have one of these things, quite aside from being the wrong gender. Except we're assuming that alt Calliope would be somehow similar to current Calliope. We already know a way to explain her having villainous traits, and red cheeks: Her being the Calliope from a universe where the female cherub lost the fight with the male one. In the universe we're reading, the male lost, and laid the egg, and thus his evil alignment was passed on to Caliborn, and Calliope got the female. You reverse the winner, and it can still make sense English is Calliope-alt. Female Cherubs don't have red cheeks, evil ones do. Calliope-alt, being evil, with red cheeks, and feeling possibly that women are weak due to her mother having been the one that lost the battle, would explain Lord English's appearance and behaviors if she was to end up being Lord English. Like I said though, it's pointless to predict, because Hussie has already shown a willingness to completely turn what appears obvious on its head. Or, to go with what is incredibly obvious, even when it appeared to be so to the point of being a red herring. It could go either way, or twenty million other ways. I just thought it was interesting. Generally I don't assume anything at this point until it's stated as absolute fact in the comic, since things have been turned on their head so often.
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Tenebrais posted:Lord English has red cheeks, a gold tooth, and a missing leg. Calliope has none of these things. An adult Calliope cannot have one of these things, quite aside from being the wrong gender. It's been strongly, STRONGLY, implied that the cherub we see flying around blasting stuff in the outer rim is a puppet of some kind controlled in the same way that jack was in the alpha universe (the pool balls go into the eyes, and then whoever has the cal puppet that connects to then can control that person). Whoever's controlling that puppet is still up for debate. Also, the puppet wasn't chasing Vriska and her slave army he was very clearly leading them to where he wanted them to go. I mean, for fucks sake the treasure was hidden in a rock shaped like his stupid head completely unguarded. It couldn't have screamed "THIS IS AN OBVIOUS TRAP! I WANT YOU TO TAKE THE TREASURE INSIDE THIS CAVE!" any louder if you gave it a bullhorn. Mark my words, John's zappy powers are going to end up loving things up, and Lord English (or whoever's controlling him) is going to be the one who benefits from that gently caress up.
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Nov 6, 2014 20:43
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:It's been strongly, STRONGLY, implied that the cherub we see flying around blasting stuff in the outer rim is a puppet of some kind controlled in the same way that jack was in the alpha universe (the pool balls go into the eyes, and then whoever has the cal puppet that connects to then can control that person). Whoever's controlling that puppet is still up for debate. Due to the nature of paradox space, it might be more accurate to say that he already has benefited from John's zappy powers and was merely completing the loop as it were.
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It's quite obvious that the Caliborn ruse is a distaction and that the real identity of Lord English is going to blow all of your scrub minds, except me who would have correctly guessed that Lord English was Serenity all along!
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Nov 6, 2014 21:12
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Cat Mattress posted:It's quite obvious that the Caliborn ruse is a distaction and that the real identity of Lord English is going to blow all of your scrub minds, except me who would have correctly guessed that Lord English was Serenity all along! Lord English is, in fact, composed of all the arms that have been retrieved over the years, in all realities.
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Nov 6, 2014 21:35
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:It's been strongly, STRONGLY, implied that the cherub we see flying around blasting stuff in the outer rim is a puppet of some kind controlled in the same way that jack was in the alpha universe (the pool balls go into the eyes, and then whoever has the cal puppet that connects to then can control that person). Whoever's controlling that puppet is still up for debate. Future John is controlling the puppet to ensure that he gets his retcon powers. He could just retcon himself into having retcon powers, but controlling a monstrous puppet is way more fun.
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Nov 6, 2014 22:11
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So, if Caliborn makes Lord English, if he's a self-insert that Caliborn is puppeting, then he has to be made from something, right? I have a theory on the matter. It's kind of crazy, but I suspect that somehow, Caliborn will get his hands on Jake and turn him into Lord English. This is more or less based on nothing except the fact that Jake's last name is English, as well as the whole "Jake is destined to defeat Lord English" thing.
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Nov 6, 2014 22:22
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Triskelli posted:The fact that this insinuates he's the same boss from "the old days" and the fact this PXS comic is being written by Hussie himself basically confirms it, doesn't it? All it confirms is that Crowbar believes it's the same person. While also mentioning how much he's changed since the old days.
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Nov 6, 2014 22:26
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Actually, Lord English is the original master of Crowbar...Yaldabaoth, the denizen who gave Caliborn the deal in the first place. Or you know, it's Caliborn throwing a tantrum over no one commissioning art from him.
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Nov 6, 2014 22:30
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JT Jag posted:So, if Caliborn makes Lord English, if he's a self-insert that Caliborn is puppeting, then he has to be made from something, right? Hasn't everyone been destined to defeat Lord English at this point? I know Jake and Dave have and I want to say John as well.
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Nov 6, 2014 22:34
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Hasn't everyone been destined to defeat Lord English at this point? I know Jake and Dave have and I want to say John as well.
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Nov 6, 2014 22:42
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The destiny ruse is also a distaction and obviously the only person capable of defeating Lord English was poor, dear, sweet, precious Fefeta.
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JT Jag posted:So, if Caliborn makes Lord English, if he's a self-insert that Caliborn is puppeting, then he has to be made from something, right? If Lord English is a puppet then he was pretty obviously made from something; the puppet that literally turned into him. If I had to theorize about it, I'd say that B2 Jack had the same process forced on him that Doc Scratch voluntarily underwent; the reason Jack didn't literally turn into English is because it's just not quite as effective as it is when the host is literally part Cal. Haa haa, hee hee, hoo hoo, etc.
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TriffTshngo posted:I'm guessing it's the same deal with him talking in Calliope's blood color. By taking everything that she had and was and incorporating it into himself in his own twisted, shithead ways, in his mind he is achieving true predomination. Now that you brought that up, it has me thinking about something else. We took it with a grain of salt that Caliborn killed his sister's dreamself and predominated too early. But if I think too hard about I could see it if it was somehow tied in with Caliborn going godtier, but honestly, what's stopping Calliope from waking up now that Caliborn got his clock cleaned?
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Cavatica posted:Now that you brought that up, it has me thinking about something else. We took it with a grain of salt that Caliborn killed his sister's dreamself and predominated too early. But if I think too hard about The fact that she's dead. In most cases dreamself deaths do not correlate with the real person, but due to the uniqueness of cherub biology Calliope's did. Who really knows why, Cherub's are weird but Caliborn's cheeks became a full circle rather than a spiral, showing that no trace of Calliope remained in that body. If she was still in hibernation the cheeks would still be spiral coloured.
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Sweet mother of mercy this thread makes my eyes glaze over.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:The fact that she's dead. Yeah, but she has black eyes. Not white eyes. In the dreambubbles White eyes = dead and Black eyes = still connected to a living body (remember what happened with Sollux?) So Calliope is still connected to a living body, and that body is Caliborn.
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net cafe scandal posted:Sweet mother of mercy this thread makes my eyes glaze over. Just do what i do and skip any post with more than two lines of text.
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I like to read Dolash's posts, though.
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Calliborn hasn't finished his dead session and killed Yaldabaoth yet, I don't get all this weird theorycrafting when he hasn't even won his unconditional immortality and limitless supply of power. It's not really a leap to assume that winning would turn him into a giant beefy immortal time-travelling shitwrecker.
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Freak Futanari posted:Just do what i do and skip any post with more than two lines of text. You have a lot of bad opinions but this is one of your better ones.
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Oh man, did you guys know there's homestuck references in the new Binding of Isaac? They made items out of those weird troll symbols. But they called Vriska's item 'Scorpio' instead of it being a spidery-themed name - guess they didn't want it being too obvious? Anyway I think it is a pretty fun inside joke, glad to see some Homestuck-love out there.
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MrBims posted:Oh man, did you guys know there's homestuck references in the new Binding of Isaac? They made items out of those weird troll symbols. But they called Vriska's item 'Scorpio' instead of it being a spidery-themed name - guess they didn't want it being too obvious? Anyway I think it is a pretty fun inside joke, glad to see some Homestuck-love out there. For just a second I almost fell for this post.
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Freak Futanari posted:Just do what i do and skip any post with more than two lines of text. Freak Futanari posted:Dirk is cool, and way better than John. Let's just get get all these god drat facts right out on the table: Freak Futanari posted:OFFICIAL HOMESTUCK TIER LIST So glad I didn't read these bad and wrong posts.
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Freak just said he doesn't read them, not that he doesn't write them or that what they're saying is wrong. Who reads their own posts?
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I don't even read anyone ELSE'S posts i just sometimes click on the thread and then write "Vriska is cool" and hit the post button
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