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Josh Lyman posted:Then were the Thor filmmakers just disinterested in showing us that each realm consisted of more than 1 planet? Because Asgard is shown as 1 planet, our realm is shown as Earth, the Frost Giants had 1 planet, etc That's how I always thought it was. Each realm could be roughly as expansive as Midgard (our known universe), although they probably aren't. Other realms may have other planets, they may not. Also, they're their own separate dimensions, but still strongly linked to ours, like heaven & hell would be if they exist in Marvel (which they do). So each "universe" is a group of loosely affiliated dimensions like midgard, asgard, hell, etc. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Nov 7, 2014 |
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BiggerBoat posted:Or just make him have heart attack or a stroke. Something beyond Superman's powers. Doing so wouldn't provide the necessary life lesson of "in the face of absolute and unwavering destruction/violence or adversity, protecting the innocent is what matters most, even if it means sacrificing oneself" though. It might not have been the most elegantly executed/written scene to some, but I thought the concept fit the bill perfectly and got its message across clearly enough to where it was one of the more stirring scenes of the film.
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Nov 7, 2014 21:21
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Dacap posted:In non Man of Steel news, this may be the first look at Yellowjacket in Ant Man I like it. Though it doesn't seem much different from the Ant-Man uniform. Though I guess that makes sense.
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Nov 7, 2014 21:22
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Codependent Poster posted:I like it. Though it doesn't seem much different from the Ant-Man uniform. Though I guess that makes sense. Yeah, the idea is that the Darren Cross character basically steals the Ant-Man tech and upgrades it, so it's a retread of Iron Man 1 and Obadiah Stane
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Nov 7, 2014 21:24
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Reminds me of the Mantis boss in MGS4. Can Ant-Man only become small? I thought he could also grow super-big if necessary too.
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Nov 7, 2014 21:28
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Electromax posted:Reminds me of the Mantis boss in MGS4. He can, Pym Particles work both ways. But he tends to concentrate on one or the other whether he's Ant-Man or Giant Man at the time
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Nov 7, 2014 21:30
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BiggerBoat posted:I hear Big Hero 6 is good. Shame it doesn't come out until loving February over here in the UK, for some reason.
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Dacap posted:Yeah, the idea is that the Darren Cross character basically steals the Ant-Man tech and upgrades it, so it's a retread of Iron Man 1 and Obadiah Stane And Incredible Hulk.
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Nov 7, 2014 21:39
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And Iron Man 2. And arguably The Winter Soldier. And apparently Avengers 2.
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Nov 7, 2014 21:40
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I guess Red Skull was supposed to be an Evil Cap in The First Avenger, too, although that affected the story in precisely zero ways.
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Nov 7, 2014 21:41
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Speaking of MoS is there any word on when a teaser for Batman vs Superman will come out?
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Electromax posted:Reminds me of the Mantis boss in MGS4. Yeah I bet you anything they'll pull out the size-increase during the climax of the film.
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Veotax posted:Shame it doesn't come out until loving February over here in the UK, for some reason. Nah, it's probably for the best. I'm from the UK so it stops me from having to argue about how Big Hero 6 the movie isn't faithful to the fundamental idea of what Big Hero 6 represent. j/k no-one gives a poo poo about comic Big Hero 6
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teagone posted:Doing so wouldn't provide the necessary life lesson of "in the face of absolute and unwavering destruction/violence or adversity, protecting the innocent is what matters most, even if it means sacrificing oneself" though. It might not have been the most elegantly executed/written scene to some, but I thought the concept fit the bill perfectly and got its message across clearly enough to where it was one of the more stirring scenes of the film. Agreed, but it would still get the point across of "all these things I can do. All these powers. And I couldn't save him" which Superman 78 did so well and in a way that shows his limitations even though he's a god. I get what the scene was trying to do but even as a defender of the film and as someone who really liked it, that scene really was crap. They could have used a car wreck, a house fire or something like a drowning, a flood or a boating accident and made it less eye rolling and ham fisted. Electromax posted:Reminds me of the Mantis boss in MGS4. He can also control ants/insects I believe. How about if DC did an Atom movie? If handled right, a little tiny dude running around environments that aren't generally considered to be large could be kind of neat. Atom in TDKSB was one of the few cool things about that horrible piece of garbage. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Nov 7, 2014 |
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Madkal posted:Speaking of MoS is there any word on when a teaser for Batman vs Superman will come out? Rumours are before the end of the year and that a teaser is ready that's Batman-centric.
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Dacap posted:In non Man of Steel news, this may be the first look at Yellowjacket in Ant Man Screaming Mantis? 
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Hakkesshu posted:Yeah I bet you anything they'll pull out the size-increase during the climax of the film. This is what happens when I skim the thread looking for non MOS discussion.
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I didn't particularly hate the tornado scene. Nobody's mentioned this in the past few pages, but one of the reasons for Pa Kent dying in an admittedly stupid way that Clark could have easily saved him from is that Superman has to learn that humans are frequently wrong. Humans are frequently selfish, short-sighted, immature, spiteful, hateful, all things that Superman cannot be. Superman is perfect, because he's goddamn Superman. Pa Kent, despite being Superman's real dad, is not one millionth the man that Superman will one day be. Pa Kent chose to die in the tornado rather than risk that Clark would be exposed for what he was, and this decision was wrong. Superman had to learn (at the cost of watching while his dad died in front of him, knowing he could save him) that sometimes humans will ask Superman to do things for them, and even if the humans have what they think are good reasons, Superman will know that they are wrong and refuse. Also, from now on, every time Superman hears somebody crying out, "Superman, save my dad" Clark knows exactly what it feels like when Superman could totally have saved your dad but didn't for whatever reason, because it happened to him first. Clark had to watch his dad die so that Superman will have the courage and moral strength to commit treason against the United States by destroying that drone. Sooner or later, the President is going to call Superman and tell him, "Supes, we've got this problem with this pissant dictator over in North Korea, we can't really do anything about him because it would cause a major international incident, so we want you to laser him in half with your heat vision. Or drop an asteroid on his palace, however you want to do it, just get it done." And when he does, Superman is going to tell him, "you think you have good reasons, but you're wrong. No, I won't do that." teagone posted:You can see Clark turn around and look at the explosion. He was probably like "Oh poo poo, I probably should have grabbed that". It's his first day on the job as a superhero, you can't expect him to do everything right. He specifically dodged the truck rather than stopping it casually with one hand because he was trying to intimidate Zod out of fighting him by showing off that he had powers Zod didn't. Hence the smug grin as he floats gracefully over the truck. Of course, since this is the second fight he's ever been in in his life, he didn't realize that he was endangering whoever was in that car park. He wasn't just looking back in regret, he was scanning the car park with his super senses to see who he just endangered or got killed, and of course Zod punched him in the head a second later since he let his guard down. Oh, BiggerBoat? Take this with a grain of salt, coming as it is from a guy who considers MoS the perfect Superman movie that he's wanted all his life, but you need to read All Star Superman RIGHT NOW. Anybody that saw that movie and thought NOT MY SUPERMAN, well, rear end is the MY SUPERMAN those guys wanted. scuba school sucks fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Nov 7, 2014 |
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Road-legal version of the 1989 Batmobile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIdnH8rWjAs
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Zod's plan is to go on a genocidal rampage of pure evil, and the only thing preventing him from killing every last person on Earth is Superman. This isn't some utilitarian 'needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' situation. Superman is acting in defense of the few - of those who have been stripped of their humanity and made into dogs. And that means killing Zod and flying away from Metropolis to stop the pollution machine in India. Again, Man Of Steel presents a revolutionary Superman who follows Badiou's invariants: -egalitarian justice -voluntarism -terror -trust in the people We see all four of those things in the film - most obviously at the end, when he tells the general "I guess I'll just have to trust you." You may note, as it happens, that "nobody is allowed to die" isn't on the list. Folks are talking about Superman's 'ideals', but what they really mean are ... preferences?
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http://imgur.com/uo50g9R Supposedly Yellowjacket in Antman.
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zoux posted:http://imgur.com/uo50g9R Nice paladin challenge mode set.
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Network Pesci posted:Oh, BiggerBoat? Take this with a grain of salt, coming as it is from a guy who considers MoS the perfect Superman movie that he's wanted all his life, but you need to read All Star Superman RIGHT NOW. Anybody that saw that movie and thought NOT MY SUPERMAN, well, rear end is the MY SUPERMAN those guys wanted. Yeah, I've heard good things and it's on my list to check out. Thanks. SuperMechagodzilla posted:I don't know what the gently caress. Good lord you are insufferable to read, which is saying a lot since you seem to be on my side and like the film. Re-read what you wrote, pull out the parts that are at all coherent and then tell me where any of the rest of that poo poo you posted makes any sense whatsoever. You're over thinking film just a tad.
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Alright, I'm gonna be the weird guy who says that I didn't think Big Hero 6 was very good. Children will certainly like it, and the characters were all fine, Baymax is a national treasure that must be protected...but all of them deserve to be in a much more solid movie than this. Everything other than Baymax's situational comedy shifted between being too generic or too halfassed, like the whole plot was just ticking off boxes to get to the next moment instead of flowing to them naturally. The themes were unfocused and ill-defined. Like, what's the movie about, really? Grief? Friendship? Vengeance? Applying your skills usefully? Ahh who cares, just slap all that in and call it a day! The soundtrack was pretty dire too, and I actually like Fall Out Boy. I dunno...maybe I've just seen too many better movies lately, even in the same genre. The Book of Life that I just saw last week and How to Train Your Dragon 2 that came out earlier this year were both far better, and most folks agree that those movies were hardly perfect themselves. teagone posted:Doing so wouldn't provide the necessary life lesson of "in the face of absolute and unwavering destruction/violence or adversity, protecting the innocent is what matters most, even if it means sacrificing oneself" though. It might not have been the most elegantly executed/written scene to some, but I thought the concept fit the bill perfectly and got its message across clearly enough to where it was one of the more stirring scenes of the film. Do you not agree with that?
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BiggerBoat posted:Good lord you are insufferable to read, which is saying a lot since you seem to be on my side and like the film. Re-read what you wrote, pull out the parts that are at all coherent and then tell me where any of the rest of that poo poo you posted makes any sense whatsoever. My theory is that he is part of the attack of a 5th dimensional being aiming to sap us of our wills. His drive to rationalise MoS Superman seems to echo Actions Comics #9 where the villain is a corrupted commercialised Superman who carries the logo but not what Superman embodies and represents, which ended up being part of Vyndktvx's attack. I never should have read Multiversity. I was warned. Edit: Just in case: "hsams daehrevo maet" team overhead smash fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Nov 8, 2014 |
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Since Gosling turned down a spot in Suicide Squad, WB is apparently eyeing Jared Leto to fill the role of The Joker. http://www.slashfilm.com/jared-leto-joker/ The comments mentioned after seeing Jake Gyllenhaal in Nightcrawler, he'd be a good choice for the Joker too. He can definitely pull of the physical appearance based on that, and I like him as an actor well enough that I think he could be a good Joker. Not really feeling Leto.
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BrianWilly posted:The soundtrack was pretty dire too, and I actually like Fall Out Boy. holy poo poo, does loving fall out boy do the soundtrack to Big Hero 6? there goes like any chance i had of seeing that movie, poo poo. i was excited for it too. teagone posted:Since Gosling turned down a spot in Suicide Squad, WB is apparently eyeing Jared Leto to fill the role of The Joker. http://www.slashfilm.com/jared-leto-joker/ this page is full of things that make me barf.
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BiggerBoat posted:Yeah, I've heard good things and it's on my list to check out. Thanks.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:holy poo poo, does loving fall out boy do the soundtrack to Big Hero 6? there goes like any chance i had of seeing that movie, poo poo. i was excited for it too.
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teagone posted:Since Gosling turned down a spot in Suicide Squad, WB is apparently eyeing Jared Leto to fill the role of The Joker. http://www.slashfilm.com/jared-leto-joker/ He doesn't even teleport once in that movie.
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I would like to formally apologize for my prior endorsement of SMG posts. I personally appreciate them well enough or am ambivalent to them, depending, but I forgot what they do to threads. Hot gently caress, this thread went insane.
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redbackground posted:It's the best Superman out there. Yeah, if you want a good way to do Pa Kent dying (or in fact anything about Superman) then read All Star superman:     Just to offer more suggestions to help for BiggerBoat, another good comic to get an idea of the quintessential Superman that Superman fans go on about would be "What's so funny about Truth, Justice and the American Way" which was Action Comics #775. Once you've read Morrison and got used to him, Final Criris/Superman Beyond also have some really good moments. The payoff is just perfect. "Tell me one last thing before we part Nix Uotan. What was Superman's wish on the Miracle Machine?" "He's Superman. He wished only the best for all of us. Close your eyes. He wished for a happy ending, Weeja Dell. Hitman #34 as well as Hitman/JLA are also really good as Ennis seems to exclude Superman from his cape hate and treats him with a lot of respect. I'm not sure if they'll work as well if you haven't read Hitman, but anyone who hasn't read Hitman is dead to me anyway. Kingdom Come is Elseworld, but basically an extended tale about the conflict between traditional Superheroic idealism (in large part embodied by Superman) and more modern grim and gritty comics. Superman: Peace on Earth, with the same Alex Ross artwork covers Superman's responsibilities to help others from another perspective.
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Superman - Secret Identity is a really under-rated story too. It's about a boy called Clark Kent who grows up reading Superman comics who finds out that he has superpowers.
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BiggerBoat posted:Good lord you are insufferable to read, which is saying a lot since you seem to be on my side and like the film. Re-read what you wrote, pull out the parts that are at all coherent and then tell me where any of the rest of that poo poo you posted makes any sense whatsoever. Sorry, some other guy complaining that I was writing too simply. Re-simplifying things: Man Of Steel's Superman is an American-style revolutionary. You know: 'the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Those guys didn't worry and fret over whether someone might get hurt in the revolutionary war. They were like "give me Liberty or give me Death." Superman also features traits from Che, Robespierre, Christ, and other famous revolutionaries - as well as famous fictional characters like Klaatu, Arnold in T2, Neo, and so-on. It's this revolutionary aspect that makes him "The Man of Tomorrow. The basic objection of the 'Not My Superman' folks is that revolution is too extreme. Things are fine the way they are, "thanks for the 'help'", and so-on.
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Anora posted:My favorite scene in the movie is when "clark-not-superman" saves Colonel Elliot Stabler from falling out of his helicopter in Smallville, then just lets the Helicopter crash in the background, with at least the pilot still in it. Superman was rolling down the street and bouncing off a car after being punched by a seven-foot goon at the time though. I think they could redub that scene to make a really great U-Haul commercial. Non is a Ryder employee all infuriated about "19.95? A DAY? How can they afford such an incredible bargain?" And he hurls the U-Haul at the helicopter and the army guy falls out of it going, "hey, Superman, did that really say 19.95 a DAY?" and Superman catches him and says, "I know, it's hard to believe, but-" and Non punches him bellowing, "There's no way we can compete with such an amazing deal!" BrianWilly posted:Clark should have saved his father and his dog. But Clark had to get it wrong once so he knew how it feels, so that he'd have the rest of his life to think about how it felt and how he's never going to allow it to happen again, to himself or to anybody else. People Clark looks up to and respects, like his dad, will be wrong from time to time, and when the President tells him "In Red Son you took over the world, you think you could do that here? I can't work with these jackasses, you could solve unemployment and world hunger and disease and war and all that poo poo. Injustice started off fairly good, you think you could do that but just be benevolent and don't team up with Sinestro or have robots patrolling the streets like a supervillan, it would really be better for everybody if you were just regular good-guy you but also President of Earth," Superman needs to have a reason to turn him down. MoS showed the experience that gave Superman his reason. I hope that story about Waid is STDH. I have the utmost respect for him, but Byrne is just as important as Waid, and I think I was about ten when I read that story where as the last living man of Earth, Superman killed the three evil Kryptonians who had actually committed the genocide that Zod was threatening at the end of MoS. Fifteen years later, Superman still feels guilty about it in a Joe Kelly story. A few issues after that, and he snaps Zod's neck exactly like in the movie, although it didn't kill him in the comic because comics. MoS did a really great job of bringing the Zod design from the comic to the big screen, and I also have to give credit to how well Michael Shannon captured Zod's expression of fanatical and unreasoning hatred from the neck-snapping scene. Then there's the Superman II scene that's already been brought up. For practically my entire life, Zod has been one of the few guys it's okay to have Superman kill, especially if it's the reason for Superman's rule against killing as it is in MoS. Maybe Man of Steel isn't your Superman, but it's definitely MY SUPERMAN.
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I personally love Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? but it might not work as well if you don't have much knowledge of the Silver Age. I'm not the biggest Superman guy though, for as much as I like several of his stories, so my list is fairly limited. I'll also join in on suggesting All-Star Superman (which has a dreadful acronym, by the way, one far more suited to All-Star Batman and Robin), and I wasn't as enthralled with Kingdom Come as others, but it was still good.
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So the lesson was that Clark probably should have saved Jonathan, but the lesson also required Jonathan to die because Clark needed to feel bad about Jonathan dying so that he knows he should save Jonathan, all this despite Jonathan still being insistent that Clark shouldn't save him? Is it any wonder that people accuse this film of conveying its meaning really poorly?
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Network Pesci posted:I hope that story about Waid is STDH. I have the utmost respect for him, but Byrne is just as important as Waid, and I think I was about ten when I read that story where as the last living man of Earth, Superman killed the three evil Kryptonians who had actually committed the genocide that Zod was threatening at the end of MoS. Fifteen years later, Superman still feels guilty about it in a Joe Kelly story.
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SlimGoodbody posted:I would like to formally apologize for my prior endorsement of SMG posts. I personally appreciate them well enough or am ambivalent to them, depending, but I forgot what they do to threads. Hot gently caress, this thread went insane. I will admit to unironically enjoying his Bad Avengers Shot of the Day series, but when he says poo poo like "Man of Steel is a useful tool for weeding out counterrevolutionaries"... yeah.
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