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HappyCamperGL posted:Incidentally Abigail was played by Georgina Moffat. Also Peter Capaldi was Sid's dad. Wrong Moffat - it's Moffett who's the Doctor's daughter.
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I was a fan of Danny Pink and I loved everything about that finale. 
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Nov 9, 2014 10:56
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They really need a hero costume for the Cybermen. Every time we get a close up of their rubbery undershirt and lovely looking gloves I cringe.
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Nov 9, 2014 11:38
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So wait, did the Doctor find Gallifrey or not? He just looks out the Tardis door and sees nothing then breaks the poo poo out of the center console. Is he bullshitting Clara when he says he found the planet, then?
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Nov 9, 2014 12:06
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Uh, yeah? Did you think Clara was also telling the truth to the Doctor, after they explicitly showed that Danny didn't come back?
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Nov 9, 2014 12:11
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Not that is really has any greater bearing but I thought it was funny the day ended up being saved by an Army of Ghosts.
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Nov 9, 2014 12:11
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Gonz posted:So wait, did the Doctor find Gallifrey or not? He just looks out the Tardis door and sees nothing then breaks the poo poo out of the center console. Well, yeah - that was kind of the point of that scene. They were both lying to each other about their being happy (Clara with Danny, the Doctor on Gallifrey) so that the other wouldn't worry and be happy themselves.
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Nov 9, 2014 12:13
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My opinion on this side of the two-parter was much the same as the first part: Really liked the ideas, but Missy and the Cybermen fighting for space meant they didn't get to utilize them. This is definitely the best the Cybermen have been since the revival. Pretty much every single part of their presence in these episodes is exactly what a Cyberman revamp should be doing right. The question of technology's place in our lives is pretty clear, and Danny gave them a great opportunity to contrast the inherent inhumanity of a typical Cyberman with a normal person. Add in some body horror (you could argue the skeletons in the water counted, but I wouldn't agree) and you at least have all the ingredients of what New Cybermen should be doing, if not presented perfectly. But then you also have Missy in the same story, forcing more into both the plot as a whole and the Cybermen's presence in it. I'm saying this while absolutely loving Michelle Gomez's performance, but it causes the entire episode to struggle at delivering its ideas. It's trying to do too much in too little time, and leaves the script struggling to hit all the points it's supposed to while trying to make all of them work. Neither Missy nor the Cybermen get quite the room they need to breathe, and that leaves both of them failing to reach the emotional heights they were capable of. I was wondering what this whole two-parter would have looked like if you removed Missy, and replaced just enough to keep the story moving. And you know what? I think it would have been better, if you gave the Cybermen her screentime instead. You'd lose the Gallifrey non-resolution and the CyBrigadier, but as far as the actual story goes, it'd be a lot more focused. Hell, I bet if you tried, you could have kept the Gallifrey tie-ins. Potentially even made it better; of all the races the Doctor's ever fought, the Cybermen knowing its location and having upgraded themselves with Time Lord tech to prove it would have been huge, and a fantastic hook.
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Nov 9, 2014 12:14
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Barry Foster posted:Well, yeah - that was kind of the point of that scene. They were both lying to each other about their being happy (Clara with Danny, the Doctor on Gallifrey) so that the other wouldn't worry and be happy themselves. Looking back, yeah, that makes sense. I feel dense for not reading into it the first time.
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Nov 9, 2014 12:18
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This is what happens when I watch the show when operating on very litte sleep. In other news, I felt that Clara just hugging the Doctor and thanking him for the adventures seems a bit anti-climactic for a companion farewell. I'm sure we'll see her again somewhere down the road tor some reason. The shot of her just walking down the street after the Tardis vanishes felt too abrupt.
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Nov 9, 2014 12:26
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Gonz posted:In other news, I felt that Clara just hugging the Doctor and thanking him for the adventures seems a bit anti-climactic for a companion farewell. I dunno, the companion deciding to stop travelling and live their life without some epic send-off is something of a rarity in the new show and it's nice to see it every once in a while. Granted Clara's involved her boyfriend dying and going to heaven and being reborn as a cyborg and sacrificing himself to save the planet and spurning the chance to return from the dead, but still.
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Nov 9, 2014 13:02
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So which Cyberman was Steve Jobs? After watching Pertwee's first season, it's almost reassuring that UNIT troops are as incompetent as ever. In The Ambassadors Of Twang they're mown down en masse by Cockney street thugs, and here we have a pair of guards standing two feet from the Master completely failing to react as she removes her handcuffs, threatens Osgood, then makes a big show of escaping before disintegrating them. So anyway, Series 8. Three good, five okay and four terrible episodes. Par for the course, but nobody will ever agree which stories were which.
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Nov 9, 2014 13:13
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Gonz posted:In other news, I felt that Clara just hugging the Doctor and thanking him for the adventures seems a bit anti-climactic for a companion farewell. I'm sure we'll see her again somewhere down the road tor some reason. The shot of her just walking down the street after the Tardis vanishes felt too abrupt. Did you miss the scene immediately afterwards where the Very Special Guest Star sets up the Christmas Special by telling the Doctor he can't just let their relationship end like that? Much as I would like it to be, that wasn't Clara's send-off. Michelle Gomez was great, and I'm sure we'll see her again (in the Extra Moffat even talks about loving the Ainley-era practice of clearly killing the Master, then having him show up again in another story with no explanation). I didn't quite buy her as the Master for most of it, but her expression of mixed discomfort and irritation after her plan falls apart finally made it click for me. I'd still like to see a subtle and understated Master again someday, but I'm happy to wait another regeneration. Agreed that Osgood's death felt a little off, though. Again, Moffat talks in the Extra about "how do we show the Master is evil? We have her kill someone we really like in the most cruel and pointless way possible", but it's notable that I don't think they've ever felt the need to do this with the Master before. Even if you count Chantho, she at least had a karmic "we die together" feel to her death. Osgood just felt like the writer went "we need to raise the stakes here, so let's have the villain kill a named character. Not one who's relevant to the plot or anything, though, no need to go nuts".
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Nov 9, 2014 13:34
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BSam posted:Because the Zygon Osgood never needed the puffer, for example the only episode we saw her in where she assumes Osgoods form and asked her to hand over the puffer because she hates getting ones with defects. Yeah, my bad. Misremembered that part of the 50th. Sorry.
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Nov 9, 2014 13:37
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That was FANTASTIC. "I'm going to kill you in a minute." gave me chills. Can't wait for the Doctor and Santa Claus time travelling and fixing wrongs at Christmas. Santa Claus for next companion?
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Nov 9, 2014 13:39
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anastazius posted:That was FANTASTIC. "I'm going to kill you in a minute." gave me chills. I was almost waiting for "You will let me know when those Zygons stop screaming, won't you?"
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Nov 9, 2014 13:43
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A messy and dumb wrap-up but Michelle Gomez was so goddamn good that I kinda want a series that's just her flying through time and space loving with people and generally being a massive dick. Man, her facial expressions and physical acting were incredible, the flittering between accents, jovial then menacing, wonderful. Plus she killed a DoctorWhat-alike, what more could you ask for?
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Nov 9, 2014 13:49
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Sentinel Red posted:A messy and dumb wrap-up but Michelle Gomez was so goddamn good that I kinda want a series that's just her flying through time and space loving with people and generally being a massive dick. Man, her facial expressions and physical acting were incredible, the flittering between accents, jovial then menacing, wonderful. Plus she killed a DoctorWhat-alike, what more could you ask for? But we love DoctorWhat.  Or are we only killing the dopplegangers?
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Nov 9, 2014 13:50
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Nov 9, 2014 13:54
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The whole dead become soldiers under Danny and save the world just seems like a really sloppy attempt to have it fit in with Remembrance Day.
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Nov 9, 2014 14:03
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The Doctor being President of Earth didn't actually do or accomplish anything, the whole story would have 100% been the same had the Doctor just gone to the graveyard on his own.
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Nov 9, 2014 14:07
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No but it was pretty fascinating to see how the Doctor dealt with it. I thought.
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Nov 9, 2014 14:11
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Hey, now that the season is over... apparently Gus, the computer from the Orient Express, wasn't connected to anything else in this season, certainly not to Missy. Think that'll come back to haunt the Doctor next season?
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Nov 9, 2014 14:13
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Nov 9, 2014 14:19
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Carbon dioxide posted:Hey, now that the season is over... apparently Gus, the computer from the Orient Express, wasn't connected to anything else in this season, certainly not to Missy. Think that'll come back to haunt the Doctor next season? I believe his avatar was supposed to subtly invoke the shape of a Cyberman eye.
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Nov 9, 2014 14:24
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What a weirdly dark and dissonant finale to end an otherwise fun and lighthearted season.
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Nov 9, 2014 14:48
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I thought that was stupendously silly, and, therefore, I loved it. Actually in many ways this felt more like Moffat attempting to do a RTD finale to me. Massive spectacle and alien invasion at home combined with complete silliness, rather than puzzle box structures, a focus on the Doctor, or messing about with the fabric of time itself. Lots of it were nonsense - with the hint at a literal afterlife (that the Doctor seems to know about, despite what he said the prior episode?) stretching credibility just a bit too far for me - but overall I liked it. It helps that Gomez was just so incredible, and, for once, the cybermen actually felt well used.
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Nov 9, 2014 15:10
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The Doctor being President of Earth didn't actually do or accomplish anything, the whole story would have 100% been the same had the Doctor just gone to the graveyard on his own. The Doctor didn't do or accomplish anything for the whole story.
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Nov 9, 2014 15:20
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Well yes but sometimes things happened around him that mattered, not so for the section with UNIT in it
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Nov 9, 2014 15:22
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 Possibly the best moment in the finale. Also, an astonishingly accurate re-enactment of my frustration at this episode, with my couch substituted for the console.
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Nov 9, 2014 15:34
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I think it would be cool to have a companion thats not a pretty girl from modern day London next season. Maybe a spaceman from the future. Who is named Jack Harkness.
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Nov 9, 2014 15:38
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Pwnstar posted:I think it would be cool to have a companion thats not a pretty girl from modern day London next season. Maybe a spaceman from the future. Who is named Jack Harkness. Yeah, and Jack should have been practicing a new sort of combat. Like, say, archery. Also now that the series is over I'm reading through the spoiler thread and this post tickled me. Burkion posted:Please for the love of God actually give them a good story this time. That doesn't end with them all blowing up.
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Nov 9, 2014 15:45
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I think they missed an opportunity when The Master wasn't killed by five shots in quick succession.
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Nov 9, 2014 16:06
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Well, what a bad season of Doctor Who that was. THANKS TERRIBLE COMPANION AND TERRIBLE, WEIRD NATIONALISTIC YOU-CAN-BE-THE-PERFECT-GUY-IF-YOU'RE-A-SOLDIER-TOO COMPANION ROMANCE.
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Nov 9, 2014 16:14
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surc posted:Well, what a bad season of Doctor Who that was. THANKS TERRIBLE COMPANION AND TERRIBLE, WEIRD NATIONALISTIC YOU-CAN-BE-THE-PERFECT-GUY-IF-YOU'RE-A-SOLDIER-TOO COMPANION ROMANCE. You didn't cotton to how Pink was haunted by shooting a little kid as a direct result of his soldiering?
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Nov 9, 2014 16:38
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surc posted:Well, what a bad season of Doctor Who that was. THANKS TERRIBLE COMPANION AND TERRIBLE, WEIRD NATIONALISTIC YOU-CAN-BE-THE-PERFECT-GUY-IF-YOU'RE-A-SOLDIER-TOO COMPANION ROMANCE. It really wasn't done in a nationalistic way, like, at all. CobiWann posted:
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Nov 9, 2014 16:39
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"Yes it's in another dimension, no it's not lost" I suspect the Master was telling the truth about Gallifrey's coordinates, just not how to access whatever dimension it's in.
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Nov 9, 2014 16:47
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PriorMarcus posted:Also, this entire story arc seemed designed to have the emotional pay-off be that the woman was never good enough because she didn't want to settle down and stop having adventures so she had to lie about it. At no point did Danny Pink ever tell Clara to stop adventuring with The Doctor. In fact, he did quite the opposite when she came back furious and claiming she was done with him. At no point did he issue an ultimatum about traveling with the Doctor vs. their relationship. Clara simply chose to lie to the both of them because she thought it would make life smoother. Not because Danny wanted her to settle down.
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Nov 9, 2014 16:51
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I'm more disappointed with the episode now. Good first part; more disappointing second. It's a lot like the Master story from season three in that regard. That's not to say there wasn't a lot of stuff I liked. I have to echo the praise for Michelle Gomez, and I hope she's back. But so too was there some stuff that just didn't feel like it needed to be there; the bits with the Doctor being given contorl of the Earth felt like something that would be an interesting story in itself rather than, well, a plot device in this one (and one they didn't really capitalise on - it would've been as easy for Kate to say, "We've learned from experience to defer to you in matters such as these; you're in charge now, Doctor."). Ultimately, a lot of this stuff felt like it was taking up space that could've been put to better use.
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MisterBibs posted:Random notice: the Cybermen crawling out of the cemetery scene(s) was more disturbingly shot than most zombie movies doing it. Jsor posted:But we love DoctorWhat. For every one we kill he becomes stronger! I thought the finally was great. This season had some really good episodes and some real stinkers. Even the stinkers had some really great scenes with Capaldi and Coleman though. They were just amazing in every scene together. Them and Gomez really hit it out of the park this season.
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