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Is there an option in the survey to say I don't want to have to buy toys to unlock content in games I've bought?
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Nov 9, 2014 21:01
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Suaimhneas posted:Is there an option in the survey to say I don't want to have to buy toys to unlock content in games I've bought? Not really but you can try and slip it in there.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:02
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They should sell Amiibos with built-in download codes for VC games so you can give 'em away as gifts or something.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:03
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Suaimhneas posted:Is there an option in the survey to say I don't want to have to buy toys to unlock content in games I've bought? You realize that's the entire point of the product line...right? Its like Skylanders or Disney Infinity. Buy little plastic figures, unlock bonus content. If they just gave out the content...what would be the point of the amiibo?
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Nov 9, 2014 21:04
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jivjov posted:You realize that's the entire point of the product line...right? Its like Skylanders or Disney Infinity. Buy little plastic figures, unlock bonus content. If they just gave out the content...what would be the point of the amiibo? Yes, he realizes that's the point. Something being the point doesn't mean it's automatically good.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:07
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jivjov posted:You realize that's the entire point of the product line...right? Its like Skylanders or Disney Infinity. Buy little plastic figures, unlock bonus content. If they just gave out the content...what would be the point of the amiibo? Pretty sure you two had this exact exchange just a few days ago.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:09
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axleblaze posted:Yes, he realizes that's the point. Something being the point doesn't mean it's automatically good. Telling Nintendo "You should just give me this content you've made and not make me buy your figurines" is beyond pointless.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:10
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The big hook with NFC/portal games like Skylanders isn't unlocking bonus crap by scanning figurines, it's the "magic" of taking real-world characters and dropping them into your game and the back-and-forth between the game and the figure. It's a shallow gimmick for kids and little more than another fad but it's a well-considered one, which is more than can be said for Amiibo.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:11
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jivjov posted:Telling Nintendo "You should just give me this content you've made and not make me buy your figurines" is beyond pointless. Telling Nintendo you don't like the central concept of the thing and hope they don't arbitrarily gate off content seems to have about as much point as anything else you could say.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:16
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axleblaze posted:Telling Nintendo you don't like the central concept of the thing and hope they don't arbitrarily gate off content seems to have about as much point as anything else you could say. I highly doubt that some comments on a Club Nintendo survey will do a thing to deter Nintendo from a business strategy that they've obviously put a lot of time, money, and development into.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:17
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axleblaze posted:Telling Nintendo you don't like the central concept of the thing and hope they don't arbitrarily gate off content seems to have about as much point as anything else you could say. Not really, because Nintendo also sees "wow, Skylanders made infinity dollars."
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Nov 9, 2014 21:22
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jivjov posted:I highly doubt that some comments on a Club Nintendo survey will do a thing to deter Nintendo from a business strategy that they've obviously put a lot of time, money, and development into. True, not buying them will do much more but it helps to let them know that you're deliberately not buying them and aren't just not aware that they exist like companies tend to assume. Sure it won't do much but almost nothing you put there us likely to do much.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:22
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jivjov posted:I highly doubt that some comments on a Club Nintendo survey will do a thing to deter Nintendo from a business strategy that they've obviously put a lot of time, money, and development into. Didn't Miyamoto change all of Sticker Star's story into nothingness after some Club Nintendo surveys technically backed him up in his desire to change Paper Mario?
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Nov 9, 2014 21:40
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Didn't Miyamoto change all of Sticker Star's story into nothingness after some Club Nintendo surveys technically backed him up in his desire to change Paper Mario? He actually killed someone who said it was a bad idea.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:49
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jivjov posted:Telling Nintendo "You should just give me this content you've made and not make me buy your figurines" is beyond pointless. Wow it's like that whole previous conversation never happened. I'm starting to think you're just trolling now, but okay, I'll spell it out again. Attaching content to these figurines makes it cost more than the content would by itself, if we can judge from the Hyrule Warriors one - a single weapon for almost the same price as two dlc packs with vastly more content in them. For someone who would like the content but is not interested in the figurine, this is a bad deal. Sure, you could argue that the same figurine will unlock other content in future games so its value will increase. But there's no way of knowing if any of that future content will be anything I'd want to spend money on. Just as an example, I'm not interested in the Mii costumes in Mario Kart 8, I never even use Miis in that game. If I buy the Link amiibo and it turns out all future content it unlocks is like that, will I be able to ask for a refund because I'm unsatisfied with what I got for my money? I'd much rather just have the option of buying whichever content for whichever games that I'm interested in, individually, for whatever prices are appropriate for that content, as they're released. I don't like the idea of buying a toy I don't want because one thing I do want is tied to it, and then just hoping that later I get more stuff I like to make it worth it. Is that simple enough? Or are you just going to continue going "hurr durr you just want stuff for free" whenever someone complains about this?
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Nov 9, 2014 21:54
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This is a perfect opportunity to complain. If it unlocks good stuff, it's bad. If it unlocks bad stuff, it's bad. If it unlocks nothing, it's bad! This is a great time to be a person who likes to complain.
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Nov 9, 2014 21:59
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Suaimhneas posted:Wow it's like that whole previous conversation never happened. I'm starting to think you're just trolling now, but okay, I'll spell it out again. This is literally every business decision ever. "Why can't I just buy a gamepad for my existing wii" "why can't I just pop a 3ds game into my DSi" "why can't I just install an onstar into my old car" "why do I have to buy an upgraded membership for the gym instead of just paying for one feature" "why can't I substitute items in this meat bundle". Yes. I get it. You want amiibo exclusive content without buying an amiibo. I wouldn't be surprised if a year or so from now, Nintendo lets you do just that. But for now, it's tied to the NFC figurines. Just like DLC and micro transactions and season passes, it is not inherently bad. It's all gonna depend on what Nintendo does with it. And so far it looks pretty drat awesome.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:04
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I'm not interested in amiibos because I assume Nintendo will region lock them. Because Nintendo is ran by loving idiots.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:11
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elf help book posted:This is a perfect opportunity to complain. If it unlocks good stuff, it's bad. If it unlocks bad stuff, it's bad. If it unlocks nothing, it's bad! Yeah, this is pretty much hitting the nail on the head. If the Amiibos unlock good poo poo, then Nintendo is gating DLC behind their toy lines and it's poo poo. If it unlocks dumb stuff (or worse, nothing at all) then why even bother with the amiibo at all? If Nintendo doesn't give a gently caress, why should I? They're damned if they do, damned if they don't, and I appreciate that they're making it semi-worthwhile for those of us who are interested in them.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:12
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jivjov posted:This is literally every business decision ever. "Why can't I just buy a gamepad for my existing wii" "why can't I just pop a 3ds game into my DSi"  If you think those are even remotely similar to what I'm saying then that's pretty goddamn insulting, what the hell
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Nov 9, 2014 22:12
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jivjov posted:This is literally every business decision ever. "Why can't I just buy a gamepad for my existing wii" "why can't I just pop a 3ds game into my DSi" "why can't I just install an onstar into my old car" "why do I have to buy an upgraded membership for the gym instead of just paying for one feature" "why can't I substitute items in this meat bundle". 1.- It uses technology that the Wii is uncompatible with due to how it was made. 2.- It uses software that is uncompatible with the DSi. 3.- It uses software that is uncompatible with the primitive computers on old cars. 4.- The upgraded membership's cost is what allows the features to be a viable part of the gym. None of these apply for "a moveset in a game can be downloaded after you rub a toy on the controller". The sole reason I even replied to this is because I want to ask you just what the gently caress do you mean with "this is literally every business decision ever."? I'm just staring at that and cannot figure out what you mean. For me the ideal Amiibo situation would be costumes and AI buddies. Instead of getting the spinner in Hyrule Warriors you can use the Link or Zelda amiibos as co-op partners, and if you use anyone else you can get alternate costumes for characters, like, say, a Samus-inspired outfit for Zelda (i'd be down for simply color-swap even, like, rub mario on the contorller and now link's regular costume is red and blue). In MK8's case i'd like for what we got right now and being able to use an amiibo as a replacement to an AI-controlled racer in local play, and I honestly thought that was what we were getting with what we had been shown before the last Direct. MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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Nov 9, 2014 22:14
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:1.- It uses technology that the Wii is uncompatible with due to how it was made. He just doesn't like it if you criticize anything Nintendo does for any reason.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:16
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"this meat bundle"
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Nov 9, 2014 22:20
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Hey guys how about those video ga-jivjov posted:This is literally every business decision ever. "Why can't I just buy a gamepad for my existing wii" "why can't I just pop a 3ds game into my DSi" "why can't I just install an onstar into my old car" "why do I have to buy an upgraded membership for the gym instead of just paying for one feature" "why can't I substitute items in this meat bundle". 
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Nov 9, 2014 22:20
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Lemme distill all my examples down to something non specific. "Why do I have to buy thing X to get feature Y? Why can't I just add feature Y on to my existing thing?" Answer: Business exist to make money. They make money by selling things. There is more money to be made selling new devices. Nintendo in particular could very easily sell a Hyrule Warriors Link amiibo, a Smash Bros Link amiibo, and a Mario Kart 8 Link amiibo and triple-gouge consumers, but they aren't. They're giving us great value for money here, and that's not even including the physical collectables themselves.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:20
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For my amiibo survey I answered "Make Bayonetta 3 and sell me a Jeanne amiibo and I will buy your DLC toys, Nintendo", which is I think the correct answer
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Nov 9, 2014 22:23
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elf help book posted:"this meat bundle" I work in a grocery store, used to work the meat counter. Was providing an example I am familiar with. Andrast posted:He just doesn't like it if you criticize anything Nintendo does for any reason. No, I just don't like it when criticisms are as simple as "well I don't like it so it shouldn't exist"
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Nov 9, 2014 22:23
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I honestly thought that the amiibo content fell on the side of "kinda small and a bit crap no-one would care if it was walled off" but I guess I was wrong
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Nov 9, 2014 22:24
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jivjov posted:There is more money to be made selling new devices.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:25
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jivjov posted:This is literally every business decision ever. "Why can't I just buy a gamepad for my existing wii" "why can't I just pop a 3ds game into my DSi" "why can't I just install an onstar into my old car" "why do I have to buy an upgraded membership for the gym instead of just paying for one feature" "why can't I substitute items in this meat bundle". ...what? You can't play 3DS games on a DS because it's new hardware. You can't use a gamepad on a Wii U because it's new Hardware. With Amiibos they don't actually do anything. The game woudl be perfectly be able to do most of the things the Amiibo unlocks without it existing. With most dlc you do in fact get to but what you want. If you want to buy an outfit, you can buy that outfit. If you think that outfit is dumb, don't buy it. With Amiibos, if you want content for one thing, you get a a bunch of content you don't necessarily want and a figure you might not want just to maybe get one thing. You also don't know if the figure you're buying will end up being really useful or only be useful or just be used in one thing. It's all just a crap shoot. The only thing similar is a season pass but at least with a season pass you know you can just buy all that stuff separately if you want later if you don't want to just take the risk. Also with season passes you know you have the game that the thing you're buying will apply to. Here you're just maybe buying an Amiibo and for one or two things and just hoping that it will be useful later. It's just odd and feels really forced. It feels like the content is there to justify the Amiibos rather than the Amiibos actually being able to justify themselves by them self in any way. If people just want tiny Nintendo toys that might do stuff but if it doesn't, that's also fine, then yes, this is perfect for that. As a means of delivering dlc and unlocking game features, it's pretty unappealing to me.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:25
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jivjov posted:I work in a grocery store, used to work the meat counter. Was providing an example I am familiar with. Your counter-argument seems to consist of "It makes money for Nintendo so you shouldn't criticize it".
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Nov 9, 2014 22:26
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elf help book posted:This is a perfect opportunity to complain. If it unlocks good stuff, it's bad. If it unlocks bad stuff, it's bad. If it unlocks nothing, it's bad! It's an even greater time to be a person who gets a big larf out of the complainers.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:27
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I need to get a meat bundle.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:28
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jivjov posted:Nintendo in particular could very easily sell a Hyrule Warriors Link amiibo, a Smash Bros Link amiibo, and a Mario Kart 8 Link amiibo and triple-gouge consumers, but they aren't. They're giving us great value for money here, and that's not even including the physical collectables themselves. Why are like half your arguements "well they could be doing something way worse"? That's really not as good of an argument as you seem to think it is. jivjov posted:No, I just don't like it when criticisms are as simple as "well I don't like it so it shouldn't exist" But this is how I feel. Nothing has really justified it's existence to me. "Skylanders made alot of money" doesn't compel me to want content to randomly be locked behind physical objects.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:28
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I hope the next Animal Crossing game makes you buy Amiibos to fill out your town, that way I can make sure that fucker Rodney leaves me the hell alone.
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Nov 9, 2014 22:28
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jivjov posted:Lemme distill all my examples down to something non specific. "Why do I have to buy thing X to get feature Y? Why can't I just add feature Y on to my existing thing?" So you have, in fact, brought it back around to "you just want to get stuff for free" I must be psychic or something
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Nov 9, 2014 22:30
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:I hope the next Animal Crossing game makes you buy Amiibos to fill out your town, that way I can make sure that fucker Rodney leaves me the hell alone. i would buy a whitney amiibo just to burn it
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Nov 9, 2014 22:33
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homeless snail posted:I need to get a meat bundle. I'm just picturing it like a console bundle, with a grill as the console, two steaks and i guess some sauce would be the controller?
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Nov 9, 2014 22:34
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I want a Tingle amiibo where you press a button and it shoots glitter everywhere.
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A $20 season pass and $12 for a unique weapon in Hyrule Warriors surprisingly restrained compared to other Warriors games. http://store.steampowered.com/dlc/278080/
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