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I forget, did we ever find out whether what Yosuke's crush is saying in the shadow world is her or her shadow talking?
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Nov 10, 2014 17:16
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I don't think there was any concrete proof, but I'm going with the Shadow World loving with Yosuke. Saki probably did dislike Yosuke a bit, but the Shadow World just loves to blow things out of proportion.
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Nov 10, 2014 17:20
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TheKingofSprings posted:I forget, did we ever find out whether what Yosuke's crush is saying in the shadow world is her or her shadow talking? I don't think it's ever stated outright, but I think it's probably the remnants of her shadow. Plus Yosuke's shadow, maybe.
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Nov 10, 2014 17:21
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projecthalaxy posted:I might be misremembering it but about rank 4-5 of her link She asks you to deliver a letter to Kou/Daisuke and generally scout them out for boyfriend material only for that to fail horribly (itself due to another nested love triangle in Kou's case) and her to get all hoppy-off-roofy on you and then decide you're her boyfriend now. Love triangle is not really the right word, but dang it's hella soap opera. Oh yeah, for some reason I just thought you were her shopping servant for most of her SL and helped her w/her physical image problems later on.
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Nov 10, 2014 18:21
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Thanks to the advice of this thread and the Before I Play thread I beat Matador (Nocturne incantation, obviously) on only my second try at about level 20. What a jerk. Went in fully prepared with me and two demon buddies immune to Force and he still Andalusia'd me to death the first time. I can only imagine what people who picked the game up in 2003 and didn't know what the Candelabrum was for went through. I'm playing on Normal, going physical build for the Demi-fiend. Is there a specific ending I should shoot for first? I know very little about Nocturne's endings, what does the alignment lock look like?
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Nov 10, 2014 18:31
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Captain Walker posted:Thanks to the advice of this thread and the Before I Play thread I beat Matador (Nocturne incantation, obviously) on only my second try at about level 20. What a jerk. Went in fully prepared with me and two demon buddies immune to Force and he still Andalusia'd me to death the first time. I can only imagine what people who picked the game up in 2003 and didn't know what the Candelabrum was for went through. True Demon is the only ending in Nocturne. There are a few spoiler-free guides on how to get it, because it requires a whole bunch of crap.
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Nov 10, 2014 18:34
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Alder posted:Oh yeah, for some reason I just thought you were her shopping servant for most of her SL and helped her w/her physical image problems later on. That social link can go two ways. Looks like you picked the bad one.
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Nov 10, 2014 18:39
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Captain Walker posted:Thanks to the advice of this thread and the Before I Play thread I beat Matador (Nocturne incantation, obviously) on only my second try at about level 20. What a jerk. Went in fully prepared with me and two demon buddies immune to Force and he still Andalusia'd me to death the first time. I can only imagine what people who picked the game up in 2003 and didn't know what the Candelabrum was for went through. Like they say the True Demon Ending is the most :metal: ending and it has more content (boss fights and dungeons) than any other ending. There is very little content exclusive to the other endings, I think there is only one boss exclusive to one of the other factions' routes. The alignment is based mostly on questions and each of the faction leaders will directly ask you to join at some point during the game. You are locked into True Demon Ending no matter what when you reach the very end of the Labyrinth of Amala dungeon, before going to the final dungeon.
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Nov 10, 2014 18:55
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What I planned to do was hit TDE on my second cycle, after I got a feel for the endgame difficulty.
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Nov 10, 2014 19:06
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God, are the early bosses in SMTIV an RNG shitshow or what? Hp numbers are so low and damage is so high I'm basically praying the boss doesn't hit a critical ever (or just doesn't use all of its turns targeting a single demon) or something of mine is probably dying. And when the something dies, the fight is over because it loses the buffs I've been stacking and it takes two whole turns from resurrect, then summon them. This was true of Mr. Bull rear end in a top hat and is equally true of Medusa. I guess I could ask, is stacking sukukaja worth it? It doesn't seem to do much, but I could also just be super unlucky, who the gently caress knows.
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Nov 10, 2014 19:16
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Amppelix posted:God, are the early bosses in SMTIV an RNG shitshow or what? Hp numbers are so low and damage is so high I'm basically praying the boss doesn't hit a critical ever (or just doesn't use all of its turns targeting a single demon) or something of mine is probably dying. And when the something dies, the fight is over because it loses the buffs I've been stacking and it takes two whole turns from resurrect, then summon them. Absolutely not. Buffs/debuffs are a big thing but neither is entirely RNG. In the case of Medusa it is possible to summon a demon who is literally immune to all of her attacks.
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Nov 10, 2014 19:18
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A really big thing with bosses is exploiting weaknesses and resistances. So there are quite a few times where you can be hugely outmatched but still win because the boss can't touch you.
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Nov 10, 2014 19:24
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Offense is the best defense in SMT4, go for broke. I wouldn't worry much about Sukukaja outside of being a side benefit to Luster Candy.
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Nov 10, 2014 20:01
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Oh, so the real answer is to craft your team to suit each boss fight? I'm not sure I'm too hot on that either, that entails work. I guess I should stop playing this like Persona, though.
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Nov 10, 2014 23:01
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Amppelix posted:Oh, so the real answer is to craft your team to suit each boss fight? I'm not sure I'm too hot on that either, that entails work. I guess I should stop playing this like Persona, though. You don't have to craft your team to each boss fight but covering strengths and weaknesses is the name of the game. (Persona works the same way.) Basically treat it like swapping Persona, not like swapping team members.
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Nov 10, 2014 23:37
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It's not hard to make demons that cover every weakness. It gives a lot more leeway than Persona as far as crafting your party to suit your needs goes. Though there are enough demons with bosses far enough spread out that you probably won't be fighting any two with the same demons very often until the end game.
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Nov 10, 2014 23:50
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so i just started smt 4 and i'm stuck on this dang minotaur boss at the beginning how the heck do i kill him
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Nov 11, 2014 00:28
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Im kinda iffy on the system but thats mostly because I have an annoying knack for fusing away a demon that can resist the nexts bosses attacks right before the next boss.
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Amppelix posted:Oh, so the real answer is to craft your team to suit each boss fight? I'm not sure I'm too hot on that either, that entails work. I guess I should stop playing this like Persona, though. The real answer is that weaknesses and resistances and buffs and debuffs are just as important in SMTIV as in any other SMT game (or Persona, for that matter), but SMTIV has an actual explicit weakness in design in that Minotaur and Medusa appear at a level where both you and your accessible demons are distinctly lacking in options, which is why they tend to kick everyone's asses with such reliability. Like, you literally cannot have any debuffing skills for either of these bosses, for example. As people have mentioned there's a specific demon that can cheese Medusa by being immune to everything she can do, and you're past Minotaur, and the game really does open up in terms of tactical abilities after this point. You just have to get past it. Game isn't perfect, this is just one of the more obvious things that it doesn't do as good as it could.
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Nov 11, 2014 01:38
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rediscover posted:so i just started smt 4 and i'm stuck on this dang minotaur boss at the beginning how the heck do i kill him Stock up on bufu demons. Make sure Jonathan is assisting and make absolutely sure Walter isn't helping.
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Nov 11, 2014 01:45
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Walter's cool.
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Nov 11, 2014 01:51
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I like Walter too, but he's a liability in the Minotaur fight. I'm pretty sure he can give Minotaur smirk by casting Agi on him, and if that happens, you're hosed.
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Nov 11, 2014 02:07
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ChaosArgate posted:I like Walter too, but he's a liability in the Minotaur fight. I'm pretty sure he can give Minotaur smirk by casting Agi on him, and if that happens, you're hosed. You don't directly control your party members in SMT 4?
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Nov 11, 2014 02:19
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Not guests, no.
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Nov 11, 2014 02:19
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You control yourself and your three (or less) demons, all other humans that might join you are controlled by the AI. Human guests are temporary, they don't stick around with you forever.
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Nov 11, 2014 02:25
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Ah, I see. I was pretty sure they had not fully regressed to P3 FES. I really need to get SMT 4 at some point.
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Nov 11, 2014 02:32
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projecthalaxy posted:Ah, I see. I was pretty sure they had not fully regressed to P3 FES. I really need to get SMT 4 at some point. yes you do i've only played a few hours but every thing i've played has been golden
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Nov 11, 2014 02:49
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rediscover posted:yes you do i've only played a few hours but every thing i've played has been golden But I just got Fantasy Life and Persona Q and Pokemon Alpha Sapphire are coming out in like two weeks and there's no tiiiiiiime!
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Nov 11, 2014 03:08
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projecthalaxy posted:But I just got Fantasy Life and Persona Q and Pokemon Alpha Sapphire are coming out in like two weeks and there's no tiiiiiiime! then waaaaaaaaiiiiit to buy it cause there will be time later probably also i just beat the minotaur on my like 9th try and poo poo that feels good, gently caress outta here bitch nigga
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Nov 11, 2014 03:51
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aaaaand then i fuckin died in two turns to regular enemies in the next area. loving this.
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Nov 11, 2014 04:16
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laplace posted:Yosuke is sort of a homophobic douche but he's Yu's BRO nomo. "Hey bro wherws your porn no homo kick the gay kid out of the tent cuz we need some privacy to sleep NO HOMO or else we'll get fondled or something, right BRO?!?" I think he largely just teases him for having a Shadow who is a ludicrously gay stereotype, like pretty much any ordinary teenager would. Yosuke is probably the most realistically written character because he's a bit of a self-obsessed idiot afraid of catching the gay, like how real teenagers in real life are VVVV-- Well the whole team are fairly 2-dimensional, but not nearly to that extent. There's plenty to his character--he's got a good memory, he's kind of lazy but he's responsible and has decent business sense. He cares about his appearance but can't watch his mouth and he's a bit dim-witted, but arguably smarter than a good half the rest of the cast. BottledBodhisvata fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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Nov 11, 2014 04:42
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Yosuke is not a realistically written character. Saying "He acts like an idiot constantly and that's all he does all of the time, forever" basically just shows he's a caricature more than anything else, which is pretty much the entire team.
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Nov 11, 2014 04:48
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No MegaTen character is realistically written, the Persona ones just happen to be more anime than the main series.
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Nov 11, 2014 04:50
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Nov 11, 2014 04:54
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Would you say Yosuke is the Shaggy of the crew?
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Nov 11, 2014 04:55
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Yosuke is THE Shaggy of anime. He just needs to be smoking more grass... something more anime characters need to do.
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Nov 11, 2014 04:59
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Beef Waifu posted:Yosuke is THE Shaggy of anime. He just needs to be smoking more grass... something more anime characters need to do. Persona 4, but everyone just smokes a bowl after school instead going into a TV or whatever
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Nov 11, 2014 05:09
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Manatee Cannon posted:Would you say Yosuke is the Shaggy of the crew? 
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Nov 11, 2014 05:53
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Woah, woah. Clearly Teddie is the Creeper.
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The Persona 4/Scooby Doo comparisons would be a lot more fun if it had taken a page from Mystery Inc, but then I realized Mystery Inc was basically the Persona 2 Innocent Sin of the Scooby Doo franchise.
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