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classes should be an afterthought for a language that's just 99% code fragments included in an adhoc manner or inline in html like lmfao yeah i'm going to inherit from a class that's defined in some html partial in the site index
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i dont really understand js but i like how you can pass around functions and i like how the fact it has very little support for including or importing or whatever makes your language feel pretty stable ya functions as first class objects owns owns owns. but not having require() doesn't own at all because it just encourages people to come up with tremendously ugly workarounds (require.js)
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Symbolic Butt posted:it kinda is a problem when they aped java syntax and actually only got prototypal inheritance right in es5 i just pull in underscore and squint until it looks like lisp. abraham linksys posted:it's getting the "classical sugar over prototypes" several frameworks (backbone, ember, ampersand-model, winjs, et al) and libraries already implement in ad-hoc fashion sellouts.
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Nov 12, 2014 05:10
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Tiny Bug Child posted:classes are *not* the same as prototypes. this is not a trivial distinction. it is among the most trivial distinctions one can make about a programming language
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Nov 12, 2014 06:09
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suffix posted:hey btrfs has some cool features, you could easily make a distributed system by gluing some exec calls and http on top of that, right? Btrfs is still broken, the last thing you'd want to do with it is store files on it. Maybe it's not broken broken but it's problematic. e: There's something else about this that I find funny. sarehu fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Nov 12, 2014 |
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Nov 12, 2014 06:17
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Btrfs (B-tree file system, variously pronounced: "Butter F S", "Butterface",[7] "Better F S",[5] "B-tree F S",[8] or simply by spelling it out)
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Nov 12, 2014 07:07
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acceptable file systems include and are limited to: ntfs, hfs+, ext4, murderfs, templeos redsea, zfs those are ordered by likelihood that you will ever get to use them
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Nov 12, 2014 07:09
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JewKiller 3000 posted:acceptable file systems include and are limited to: ntfs, hfs+, ext4, murderfs, templeos redsea, zfs is zfs at the end a joke or something
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Nov 12, 2014 07:21
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FamDav posted:Btrfs (B-tree file system, variously pronounced: "Butter F S", "Butterface",[7] "Better F S",[5] "B-tree F S",[8] or simply by spelling it out)
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Nov 12, 2014 07:26
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JewKiller 3000 posted:it is among the most trivial distinctions one can make about a programming language if that was true there wouldn't be a jillion stackoverflow questions about how to mangle js inheritance into class based inheritance
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Nov 12, 2014 07:39
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a jillion stackoverflow questions about a topic do not show that the topic is especially important. they show it's especially confusing.
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Nov 12, 2014 07:46
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alright man whatever you're totally right that the inheritance system an object-oriented programming language uses is a mere triviality
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Nov 12, 2014 07:49
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JewKiller 3000 posted:acceptable file systems include and are limited to: ntfs, hfs+, ext4, murderfs, templeos redsea, zfs hdfs and gfs2 are all right i think, but never run a compile job on either i haven't touched ceph, lustre or glusterfs but probably one of them are dece, too
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Nov 12, 2014 07:51
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Tiny Bug Child posted:alright man whatever you're totally right that the inheritance system an object-oriented programming language uses is a mere triviality i'm talking about javascript and other p-langs, not real object-oriented programming languages like java and c#. javascript has decided that "object" actually means "hash map from string keys to arbitrary values, with a pointer to a parent hash map". the maps and pointers can be modified at run time until you've monkey patched everything to your heart's content. there is nothing even resembling a vtable or any static type information that could be used by an ide. it's oop only in the cargo cult sense. now tell me how this is fundamentally any different from python or ruby or php, except for the keyword "class"
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Nov 12, 2014 08:01
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does getting into it with TBC mean you're getting buggered
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Nov 12, 2014 08:09
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JewKiller 3000 posted:i'm talking about javascript and other p-langs, not real object-oriented programming languages like java and c#. javascript has decided that "object" actually means "hash map from string keys to arbitrary values, with a pointer to a parent hash map". the maps and pointers can be modified at run time until you've monkey patched everything to your heart's content. there is nothing even resembling a vtable or any static type information that could be used by an ide. it's oop only in the cargo cult sense. now tell me how this is fundamentally any different from python or ruby or php, except for the keyword "class" i don't give a flying gently caress about any of that and neither does anyone who's not a useless academic. who the gently caress started talking about implementation details? vtables? are you making GBS threads me? oop means "objects are a central concept in this language". it is completely independent of how the language operates under the hood. you don't get to redefine it to require your dumb compiled language poo poo. gently caress i can't believe you got me to reply to that stupid loving post
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Nov 12, 2014 08:12
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a coworker told me recently that javascript is like finger painting and I think that's pretty apt
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Nov 12, 2014 08:35
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Tiny Bug Child posted:i don't give a flying gently caress about any of that and neither does anyone who's not a useless academic. til that the millions of Java and c# programmers producing useful code all over the world with the aid of powerful intelligent ides are "useless academics"
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Nov 12, 2014 11:17
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TheresNoThyme posted:parseInt("99abcdefg10456") => 99 lmao i totally forgot about that until today when i had to go through a 2k loc js codebase and replace all parseInts with Numbers just to maintain some semblance of sanity Tiny Bug Child posted:ya functions as first class objects owns owns owns. but not having require() doesn't own at all because it just encourages people to come up with tremendously ugly workarounds (require.js) almost all the js i write involves passing functions and i love it tbh i also love doing it in plangs too so i think i must be the horror here also underscore/lodash owns and if you dont use it youre some kind of javascript scrub
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Nov 12, 2014 13:14
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Tiny Bug Child posted:i don't give a flying gently caress about any of that and neither does anyone who's not a useless academic. who the gently caress started talking about implementation details? vtables? are you making GBS threads me? oop means "objects are a central concept in this language". it is completely independent of how the language operates under the hood. you don't get to redefine it to require your dumb compiled language poo poo. gently caress i can't believe you got me to reply to that stupid loving post OOP isn't about objects. All values are objects. OOP in a language is a means of having run-time dispatch and in a program is the use of the Liskov substitution design pattern.
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Nov 12, 2014 14:02
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sarehu posted:OOP isn't about objects. All values are objects. OOP in a language is a means of having run-time dispatch and in a program is the use of the Liskov substitution design pattern. OOP is shittily defined and nobody exactly agrees what it stands for. The Scheme Wiki has a great page compiling some of the different meanings given to OO through the years.
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Nov 12, 2014 14:10
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sarehu posted:OOP isn't about objects. All values are objects. OOP in a language is a means of having run-time dispatch and in a program is the use of the Liskov substitution design pattern. did the ancient neckbearded god of programming bestow this universal truth upon you in a dream or something
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Nov 12, 2014 14:20
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GrumpyDoctor posted:did the ancient neckbearded god of programming bestow this universal truth upon you in a dream or something Liskov substitution is a formal way of saying things like code has properties independent of what its modeling and monkey patching is poo poo so i like it
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Nov 12, 2014 14:50
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MononcQc posted:OOP is shittily defined and nobody exactly agrees what it stands for. The Scheme Wiki has a great page compiling some of the different meanings given to OO through the years. sure but that definition has never included the way the interpreter/compiler implements oop. magic data gnomes could carry the properties from one object to the next for all i care. that part doesn't matter. what matters is the part visible to the user (of the PL, the developer)
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Nov 12, 2014 15:09
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Soricidus posted:til that the millions of Java and c# programmers producing useful code all over the world with the aid of powerful intelligent ides are "useless academics" i bet you they don't give a poo poo how it's implemented, which was my point
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Nov 12, 2014 15:09
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Tiny Bug Child posted:sure but that definition has never included the way the interpreter/compiler implements oop. magic data gnomes could carry the properties from one object to the next for all i care. that part doesn't matter. what matters is the part visible to the user (of the PL, the developer) yes, which is what the page mentions. It has examples on how these principles are implemented but isn't limited to the implementation at all.
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Nov 12, 2014 15:54
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so were in agreement that mononcqc and tbc are in agreement
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Nov 12, 2014 16:46
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Monad
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Nov 12, 2014 16:48
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https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/ann...mmunity-edition hi shaggar 
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Nov 12, 2014 16:52
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Microsoft <3 Linux
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Nov 12, 2014 16:54
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sarehu posted:e: There's something else about this that I find funny. Okay, the other thing I find funny about this is that (a) it's made by a former coworker, (b) the other guy listed in the README as working on it is a current coworker, non-technical, he's only made a few spellchecking commits, (c) this information about their current employment status is explicitly repeated in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8591193 where my CEO is posting, so they're not even trying to hide this fact, (d) "Two guys who love data and communities" what is this about communities? Now I'm just waiting for the current coworker to make a substantive creative change to the README (that isn't just spell check) and... there are some. This definitely relates to our current business, California Labor Code Section 2870 isn't going to offer any protection, if this keeps up they're going to get their documentation copyright curb-stomped in the future.
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Nov 12, 2014 17:06
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I sure hope it tanks Java. (lol it wont)
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Nov 12, 2014 17:10
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Cool now I don't have to pretend that Java has any advantages over c#
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Nov 12, 2014 17:19
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Waiting on my OSX version of Visual Studio.
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Nov 12, 2014 17:24
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GrumpyDoctor posted:did the ancient neckbearded god of programming bestow this universal truth upon you in a dream or something No, I discovered the meaning through meditation and philosophy.
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Nov 12, 2014 17:24
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it would be silly to run asp.net on Linux when windows/iis is so much better but maybe these leads to Linux getting its first real UI framework.
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Nov 12, 2014 17:26
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sarehu posted:Okay, the other thing I find funny about this is that eagerly awaiting the followup post to this OP
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Nov 12, 2014 17:28
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the consolidation of vs express editions + ungimping of extensions is way cool tho.
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Nov 12, 2014 17:28
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Shaggar posted:it would be silly to run asp.net on Linux when windows/iis is so much better but maybe these leads to Linux getting its first real UI framework. which framework is that precious
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