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Pope Corky the IX posted:The entire spectacle of hiring Hogan in '94 is just so absurd when you look at it now. A loving parade in the middle of Disney World and Mean Gene declaring "Get ready for the ride of your life!" and then...nothing until the formation of the nWo two years later. WCW Hogan pre-nWo was a indeed a wild ride. Like doing a bunch of coke and MCing a children's hospital benefit wild.
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pathetic little tramp posted:Who did they realistically have to put the titles on though? No one cared about Flair anymore by that time. He wasn't drawing in the ratings or at the gate because they killed him so many times. I find it hilarious they had an over as hell gimmick with the West Texas Rednecks and pretty much shitcanned it because they didn't get the reaction they wanted.
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Akileese posted:No one cared about Flair anymore by that time. He wasn't drawing in the ratings or at the gate because they killed him so many times. Flair had drawn a major PPV number with Hogan as recently as 99 and is a ratings draw to this day. He'd pulled in a really big buyrate with Hart in early 98 too. He could easily have been rebuilt for a short run.
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ColeM posted:Their biggest mistake was trying to be wwf ver.2. If they focused more on the wrestling and athleticism portion of the product as opposed to being edgey and full of sketches they could've still been around. Instead they were, at times, even worse than the wwf at their worst. This, this, a million times this. I honestly believe every issue that killed WCW all boiled down to the fact that they had an inferiority complex. They were doing fair business and selling out stadiums for big events, but Vince had finally caught the public eye for the first time since the early days of TV and his wrestlers were appearing on sports magazines and talk shows. So instead of being themselves, they tried to be Vince. If it hadn't been for Turner, this would have likely killed them in the late 80's, and ultimately in the long run it killed them anyway.
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TNA's biggest mistake was "Let's start a wrestling company with a weekly PPV business model" because the company was doomed to failure before any direction could be found.
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Now that I've caught all the Nitros they have on the network, and going back and trying to watch Raw from the same period, it's easy to see why WCW was getting so popular. Yes it's largely the Hulk Hogan show and all the crap that comes with it, but it felt like outside of that there was still so much going on, and with the cruiserweights in there you're simply getting better wrestling week after week. I really think WCW nailed the "This is a live show and we don't have a clue what's going to happen next" feel without it going into parody as it later did. People want that type of show to a degree. People want to think that anything might happen, they don't want to see everything happening because you just suffer burnout and confusion.
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MassRafTer posted:Flair had drawn a major PPV number with Hogan as recently as 99 and is a ratings draw to this day. He'd pulled in a really big buyrate with Hart in early 98 too. He could easily have been rebuilt for a short run. Flair was part of a major heel stable years later in the WWF/E, and had a huge retirement angle. WCW absolutely would've made money on a Goldberg vs. Flair program.
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Red posted:Flair was part of a major heel stable years later in the WWF/E, and had a huge retirement angle. I really can't for the life of me see how this would ever really work. Flair was in good shape for a guy in his fifties, but it's Goldberg. The dynamic would be watching a fan favorite absolutely kill an old man, and ugh.
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ayn rand hand job posted:I really can't for the life of me see how this would ever really work. Flair was in good shape for a guy in his fifties, but it's Goldberg. Goldberg being some completely incapable lovely worker being a thing people latched onto is a thing I don't get. He's a much, much better worker than anybody who main evented loving Starrcade other than Bret Hart from the birth of the nWo on, and even then Bret in WCW was pretty much a total disaster due to booking. Fans loved Ric Flair, but they also loved seeing Ric Flair get beat up by people they liked. People liked Goldberg, therefore the match would work.
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I can't remember exactly when it happen, but the one major mistake that was actually Flair's was that he decided he wanted to play heel when the fans wanted to root for him against the nWo. Flair played cheating chickenshit heel better than anybody, and I'm sure he could have made Goldberg look like a million bucks and the good guy on top of it.
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ayn rand hand job posted:I really can't for the life of me see how this would ever really work. Flair was in good shape for a guy in his fifties, but it's Goldberg. So... you've never seen a face take on a heel stable, and have to mow through them to have to get to their leader? Also - Rock and Flair's stuff during the 2 on 3 match at WM20 was great, and took place after WCW closed, so I have no idea what the problem is.
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This does remind me of an amusing anecdote from back in the day when Goldberg was a guest on the Dennis Miller Show. He said that he was wrestling Flair and he picked him up for the Jackhammer. While holding him up, Flair whispered into his ear, "Two things you need to remember right now. I love you... and I am 50-years-old."
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Flair claimed he passed a WWE physical at 64 and he could totally still wrestle if they wanted him to. Flair/Hogan at Mania 31.
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Flair vs Goldberg would've worked because Flair would've cheated a lot and Charles Robinson would've did slow count pinfalls for Goldberg. It would've been good.
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Yeah, it's not as if Flair was never booked to wrestle a guy who was supposed to be physically and athletically superior before. I think if Flair took a Goldberg spear he might die, though.
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Which is harder on the back out of the spear and the jackhammer? I can't see Flair taking either with great comfort
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Luigi Thirty posted:Flair claimed he passed a WWE physical at 64 and he could totally still wrestle if they wanted him to. This is one of two matches that Hogans been talking about wanting to do during recent radio rounds. The other is Sting...
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Skinty McEdger posted:This is one of two matches that Hogans been talking about wanting to do during recent radio rounds. The other is Sting... He said that he definitely doesn't want to do Sting
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ChampRamp posted:He said that he definitely doesn't want to do Sting "GIMME THE BELT" --Hogan, 1994
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St Evan Echoes posted:Which is harder on the back out of the spear and the jackhammer? I can't see Flair taking either with great comfort They could've done a spot where Goldberg misses a spear and dives right into a corner post and injures it for the rest of the match, voila now Goldberg won't do any moves that injure Flair. Make the finish be Goldberg tapping out Flair with a figure four.
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1st AD posted:They could've done a spot where Goldberg misses a spear and dives right into a corner post and injures it for the rest of the match, voila now Goldberg won't do any moves that injure Flair. No, it's all good.
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Would of liked it if they had done Jericho Vs. Goldberg. That would of been great.
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Great White Hope posted:Goldberg being some completely incapable lovely worker being a thing people latched onto is a thing I don't get. That's great, but where did I say that Goldberg was an incredibly lovely worker. The only real end of that feud would have been gently caress finishes galore, or Goldberg turning heel. Neither of those should have really happened in late WCW, it needed some time to recover from the nWo finally melting away. Red posted:So... you've never seen a face take on a heel stable, and have to mow through them to have to get to their leader? I'm glad you agree with Nash's vision for Goldberg '99. The comment really had nothing about Flair's ability to go in the ring. Flair vs Goldberg would have been a match I would have paid to see if Flair was somehow 10 years or so younger, running the 4 Horsemen (and not watching them all retire or leave the company). But Flair was not that young, and the major story would be how Goldberg would absolutely kill Flair with most of his offense, short of gently caress finishes or Goldberg killing an old man who was supremely over at that point.
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Actually this was better than I thought it would be, goddamn those long TV segments during the Attitude era were annoying though. Do they still do that poo poo? Also what is it with Goldberg and almost kissing dudes? Happened when HBK entered here, and I remembered it happening one time on Nitro when Nash saved him from a beatdown.
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ayn rand hand job posted:I'm glad you agree with Nash's vision for Goldberg '99. So you're thinking that 2000-2001 Flair couldn't have gotten anything but sympathy face pops versus heel heat?
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Akileese posted:No one cared about Flair anymore by that time. He wasn't drawing in the ratings or at the gate because they killed him so many times. I loved the West Texas Rednecks. It was pretty obvious they were supossed to be heels, but were so funny - and were up against the unlikable No Limit Soldiers - that they got cheered. Flair should have been an authority figure that wrestles sporadically, with the implication that he's clinically insane. Same goes for Piper. I wasn't tired of Nash, or Sid for that matter, Hogan and Savage (especially Savage, the greatest wrestling character of all time) were always welcomed on my TV screen, but they didn't necessarily have to be heavily featured. I wanted guys like Booker and DDP in the main event. Sting, too. Yes, Sting. I for one am a Sting mark, and in WCW, he could have been the champ for 500 consecutive days, I wouldn't mind. What I did mind was Jarrett. He has that 'switch the channel' heat and to this day, when I watch old wrestling videos, I usually skip whenever he's on.
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I was going to say, although the angle backfired when the audience reacted with clearly racist overtones, it's easy to see why someone would prefer the Rednecks over the No Limit Soldiers, who basically acted like a mini-nWo (or similar to what I've heard about Aces & Eights). And they got me to think that Virgil was amusing for five minutes.
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The No Limit Soldiers sucked and "Rap is Crap" was fun. Its that simple. Its a drat shame that there was undeniably a racial aspect in play there because Master P deserved to be booed all on his own merits. But at least the No Limit Soldiers dying meant the Filthy Animals could happen because I for one was a fan of them. And even if you weren't and were hung up on Rey without a mask you should remember that the Filthy Animals is basically where most of Eddie's awesome "Lie, Cheat, and Steal" stuff originated.
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Say Nothing posted:GIS'ing 'WCW stupidity' brings back fond memories. Is that a shadow or did Hogan's stubble paint get smeared?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Is that a shadow or did Hogan's stubble paint get smeared? Top part is a shadow from the rope, bottom part is his stubble. I think the most striking thing about this picture is the difference in skin colour between his body and his head.
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Rad R. posted:What I did mind was Jarrett. He has that 'switch the channel' heat and to this day, when I watch old wrestling videos, I usually skip whenever he's on. Jarrett got a lot better once he changed character a little in the WWF. He used to be really, really bad during the wannabe country singer period, or any of his older Memphis horseshit. He still shouldn't have been a focal point of WCW or TNA programming, but at least he improved a little.
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Red posted:Jarrett got a lot better once he changed character a little in the WWF. He used to be really, really bad during the wannabe country singer period, or any of his older Memphis horseshit. Uhhh the man came to the ring in a glowing jacket & hat on a HORSE and also had sparkly pyro. How dare you speak ill of J-E-Double-F J-A-Double-R-E-Double-T, oh ain't he great!
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I hate Jarrett so much. I know he had family connections, but how did he get so much TV time in three promotions while being so unlikable? Are there Jarrett fans? I can't even imagine a person who doesn't want to change the channel when Jarrett is onscreen.
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Halloween Jack posted:I hate Jarrett so much. I know he had family connections, but how did he get so much TV time in three promotions while being so unlikable? I've always liked Jeff Jarrett, I can't explain why.
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Halloween Jack posted:I hate Jarrett so much. I know he had family connections, but how did he get so much TV time in three promotions while being so unlikable? Actually that explains everything.
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Halloween Jack posted:I hate Jarrett so much. I know he had family connections, but how did he get so much TV time in three promotions while being so unlikable? WWF was nepotism WCW liked to promote ex WWF guys TNA was nepotism So nepotism and WCW being WCW.
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