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We're posting our own stuff ? http://pastebin.com/RftTCMvU (paragraphs set off by // should be in italics) This grew out as a character sketch for another story. That story grew out of a scene I wanted to happen in a Dark Heresy game before i realized that was railroading and I should just write the drat story, not make people act it out with dice. mllaneza fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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berzerkmonkey posted:I started reading The Return of Nagash by Chris Wraight. Fall of Altdorf is also pretty good. It told the same story as Glottkin Book 1 but a lot better. It's just missing the ending, but that will probably come up in the next novel.
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Nov 11, 2014 11:10
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Spoiler alert: Nagash returns, Altdorf falls.
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Nov 11, 2014 13:19
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Immanentized posted:Was originally November 18th but now Amazon has it for June 25, 2015. Booo.  Guess it'll be another six months with nothing but heresies and space marines then.
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Nov 11, 2014 15:28
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Remora posted:I agree fully with the bits about bald screaming white guys with chainsaws, and agree that Black Library needs better female characters. I'm DEFINITELY going to argue against this: There are already examples of strong female characters from the captain of Angron's flagship to the 'muse' of the Word Bearers in 30k and also in 40k from the female guardsmen and inquisitors in the Caiaphas Cain series to the Arbites series about Shira Calpurnia to the characters in one off books like the female Fenrisian Inquisitor in Emperor's Gift and the Titan Princeps in Helsreach. I don't think the writers are trying to push some kind of equality agenda but it's always been pretty clear that the Imperium, aside from the Space Marines, don't really discriminate against sex.
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Nov 11, 2014 16:26
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Immanentized posted:Was originally November 18th but now Amazon has it for June 25, 2015. Could be his health issues slowing things down. He did say his output was going to drop significantly in order to properly deal with his epilepsy.
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Kegslayer posted:There are already examples of strong female characters from the captain of Angron's flagship to the 'muse' of the Word Bearers in 30k and also in 40k from the female guardsmen and inquisitors in the Caiaphas Cain series to the Arbites series about Shira Calpurnia to the characters in one off books like the female Fenrisian Inquisitor in Emperor's Gift and the Titan Princeps in Helsreach. I really liked Cyrene. Especially that she was not a wilting flower despite being a supportive person, and that she actually took lovers while doing her job instead of being a virginal purity beacon of pureness. I hope they revisit her story in the future, as the POV of a chaos-worshipping mortal who is not bonkers insane is a rare treat. But yes, Captain Lotara is the bee's knees. Too bad she likely died offscreen to some frothing berserker after telling him off.
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Nov 11, 2014 17:52
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Sephyr posted:Captain Lotara is the bee's knees. Too bad she likely died offscreen to some frothing berserker after telling him off. I dunno, she got away with that once, including shooting said frothing berserker in the face with her sidearm.  More likely, I suspect, is that Lotara dies at Terra when the Conquerer is inevitably destroyed in a glorious defeat that takes numerous Imperial ships down with it.
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Fried Chicken posted:not-Horus destroys her in the book, so I don't see how she will be bakc In the afterword Khayon specifically mentions that he hasn't yet told the story about how he attacked one of the noble houses in Commorragh to get Nefertari back, so I think that's a pretty clear indication she'll be back. Kylaer, keep posting those stories, they're really quite good and much better than some of the poo poo that gets published. Talking about terrible Black Library books, I should have known better than to read some of the Sanctus Reach novellas. I think that Evil Sun Rising (the one written from the Ork perspective) may be the worst 40k thing I've ever read, and I read all three of Nick Kyme's Salamander books. However, Maledictus by David Annandale is actually a pretty good inquisitor/Grey Knights novella, if you like those factions.
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Guy Haley's not a bad author from all accounts I've heard, but yeah, that Ork POV story was painful just to get through the free excerpt I read.
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Nov 12, 2014 00:45
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There was a blurb in one of the 40K RPG products about a female Daemon Prince, which I thought was really cool.
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I can't think of one of those that isn't a booby-daemon.
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Wax Dynasty posted:In the afterword Khayon specifically mentions that he hasn't yet told the story about how he attacked one of the noble houses in Commorragh to get Nefertari back, so I think that's a pretty clear indication she'll be back. Not quite - it was an attack of vengeance, not recovery.
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JerryLee posted:There was a blurb in one of the 40K RPG products about a female Daemon Prince, which I thought was really cool. Valkia the Bloody (aka Gorequeen, the Bringer of Glory, and the Sword-Maiden of the Blood God) is a daemon prince of Khorne in the WFB universe. She was a warrior queen and was approached by a Slaanesh daemon prince who wanted her to be his sex slave. She went off the deep end and swore she'd lay his skull at Khorne's throne, killed him and nailed his head on her shield. Slaanesh's followers were a little pissed at that, and wound up eventually killing her. Khorne decided she was far too valuable though, and he returned her to life as a daemon prince. That's how you do it, son. 
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VanSandman posted:Spoiler alert: Nagash returns, Altdorf falls. Uh oh I hope the Skaven find another stooge to destroy him again
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Can we rename the thread to The Black Library: Deviant Art Is Warhammer fantasy better than 40K in terms of fluff, lore, and books? lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Nov 12, 2014 |
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Nov 12, 2014 14:48
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:Is Warhammer fantasy better than 40K in terms of fluff, lore, and books? I will say that the End Times stuff (so far) is pretty drat awesome (Arkhan the Black raised a zombie kitty cat that rides on his shoulders!  ) and I am really enjoying the novels and rulebook fluff.I think that WFB has a big plus on its side in that there is no big, story breaking central character involved (i.e. the Emperor on the Golden Throne.) WFB is free to advance and change things, where 40K is locked into their storyline. Ultimately, though, WFB vs. Fantasy comes down to personal preference - neither are "better," they simply "are." Both have good and bad - right now, I believe that WFB has the upper hand on interesting stuff.
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Warhammer 40k has the retarded 12 streak loser Abaddon as its biggest villain, Fantasy has Nagash
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amuayse posted:Warhammer 40k has the retarded 12 streak loser Abaddon as its biggest villain, Fantasy has Nagash Hey man, after you read Talon of Horus, you'll feel differently about Abaddon. I certainly do.
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mllaneza posted:We're posting our own stuff ? This wasn't bad, either! How come goons can write better 40k stuff just for fun than the morons that get paid to do it?
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Umiapik posted:This wasn't bad, either! How come goons can write better 40k stuff just for fun than the morons that get paid to do it? Well for one thing, I expect a lot of the paid writers haven't read nearly as much of the stuff as we have. Also, the just for fun stuff gets to do things like Doc Eldar that just wouldn't be allowed by Black Library. Greater Familiarity + Greater Freedom = Better Product....but sadly, that doesn't mean that said product is anything that BL would actually use. 
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amuayse posted:Warhammer 40k has the retarded 12 streak loser Abaddon as its biggest villain, Fantasy has Nagash Honestly, Abaddon's accomplishments are better measured in his continued state of still being alive despite the inevitable chaos backstabbing than any actual victory over the Imperium.
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amuayse posted:Warhammer 40k has the retarded 12 streak loser Abaddon as its biggest villain, Fantasy has Nagash I've heard Nagash has conquered Altdorf. If that's true, this has me interested in Warhammer Fantasy again, just to see what the Skaven are up to now. (For those who aren't reading everything Skaven-related like their holy gospel, the Skaven have some sort of blood feud with Nagash going on. At one point they even forged a magic sword for the sole purpose of destroying him and gave it to some dumb fucker. Also one of the greatest Skaven-cities is under Altdorf. So they can't really ignore this.) Since those rat-faced bastards are always dreaming of the day they can destroy/conquer the Empire and subjugate all humans, someone getting there first must really gnaw at them.
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amuayse posted:Warhammer 40k has the retarded 12 streak loser Abaddon as its biggest villain, Fantasy has Nagash How do you know his goals haven't been met! Victory isn't always measured in... victory.
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I admit I do like Skaven a lot due to their hilarious antics and psychology. Thanquol and Boneripper are like the Cain and Jurgen equivalent in humor.
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I don't know about you guys, but I am really hoping that ADB does more with Kharn post Betrayer. I never thought that he could be an interesting or sympathetic character but ADB did an amazing job, and it has made me rethink the entire character. I know that I, for one, found him a much more compelling character than Garro or Loken.
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jadebullet posted:I don't know about you guys, but I am really hoping that ADB does more with Kharn post Betrayer. I never thought that he could be an interesting or sympathetic character but ADB did an amazing job, and it has made me rethink the entire character. I know that I, for one, found him a much more compelling character than Garro or Loken. I concur and sincerely hope kharne gets his own adventures
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I still love the short story where Kharn is fighting a Slaaneshi cult and he has a kill counter built into his helmet. I think it reaches 1000 for the battle before he resets it at the end.
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SRM posted:I still love the short story where Kharn is fighting a Slaaneshi cult and he has a kill counter built into his helmet. I think it reaches 1000 for the battle before he resets it at the end. That's a really solid short story. And it was in an anthology I read recently. When it comes back to me, I'll post which. The 40K Role-play thread touched on Astartes out of the armor and how they'd interact being, y'know, huge. I've started, but not finished another short featuring a Marine on his way to, but not actually indoctrinated in, the Deathwatch. He stops off to help an Order Xenos team. The short I posted previously was a character study to work on the character who emerged from writing this: http://pastebin.com/MJxwt2x3 I'm saving writing the titular scene, the one I started the whole thing on, for when I've gotten all the rest of it done. I'm deathly afraid I'll lose all creative momentum when the most important scene is written. And I need to re-watch Blade Runner for some visual inspiration on the nicer parts of the underhive. And some Hong Kong, never enough John Woo in 40k.
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Libluini posted:I've heard Nagash has conquered Altdorf. If that's true, this has me interested in Warhammer Fantasy again, just to see what the Skaven are up to now. (For those who aren't reading everything Skaven-related like their holy gospel, the Skaven have some sort of blood feud with Nagash going on. At one point they even forged a magic sword for the sole purpose of destroying him and gave it to some dumb fucker. Also one of the greatest Skaven-cities is under Altdorf. So they can't really ignore this.) Wait, since when did the Skaven have that kind of problem with Nagash? I know they have a real blood-feud with the Lizardmen which was the justification for their invasion of the Lizardmen's realm a while back, but I don't remember hearing about anything similar with him.
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Nagash didn't conquer Altdorf, he conquered Not-Egypt.
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Serpentis posted:Wait, since when did the Skaven have that kind of problem with Nagash? I know they have a real blood-feud with the Lizardmen which was the justification for their invasion of the Lizardmen's realm a while back, but I don't remember hearing about anything similar with him. Since forever? Nagash has access to enormous stores of warpstone and when their alliance inevitably broke, they loaded up one of his human enemies with the Fellblade and super magical protection before pointing him at Nagash. What GW is doing with fantasy is interesting but I've been pretty sceptical about it since for they don't exactly have a history of wanting to advance the plot.
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Kegslayer posted:What GW is doing with fantasy is interesting but I've been pretty sceptical about it since for they don't exactly have a history of wanting to advance the plot. It's really tiring to hear the "GW doesn't advance the storyline, so ho-hum" complaint. Get over it - they are not going to kill the Emperor in 40K or make any huge changes that are going to affect their gaming properties. The WFB storyline will likely end with borders redrawn, a few characters dead, but everything returning to relative status quo. Their lifeblood is plastic models and expensive rule sets, not books. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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VanSandman posted:Nagash didn't conquer Altdorf, he conquered Not-Egypt. So what's this about Altdorf falling in the end times then? Did it even fall and to whom?
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Libluini posted:So what's this about Altdorf falling in the end times then? Did it even fall and to whom?
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berzerkmonkey posted:I haven't read the novel yet, but in the Nagash rule/fluff book, it states that the Empire is falling due to internal issues. Plague is also taking its toll, and, I assume, that is a precursor to the Glottkin/Nurgle moving in from the north. Also, Karl Franz has disappeared, so Helborg retreats back to Altdorf to reassess and prepare for a final battle. Ah, so it isn't a done deal yet. You know, I would be pretty disappointed if the Skaven don't make an appearance throughout all of this.
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Libluini posted:Ah, so it isn't a done deal yet. You know, I would be pretty disappointed if the Skaven don't make an appearance throughout all of this.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Oh, they've appeared. They took over Tilea and own many of the major cities there. Plus, as stated previously, they have the sword that killed Nagash before, so Chekhov's gun and all... I love this!  It's like the time when the Skaven nearly took over the entire Empire!
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Kegslayer posted:What GW is doing with fantasy is interesting but I've been pretty sceptical about it since for they don't exactly have a history of wanting to advance the plot.
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This is still the first and only Emperor Karl-Franz. He was Emperor during Drachenfels and the kid was his son.
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