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John Carstairs posted:If I could find a gif of Gyanko smashing that dude with her shields, I would post it here. Quick and dirty: 
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Quick and dirty: .. Man, I feel so bad for that dude trying to repair his gunpla. That's like awful. 
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Nov 12, 2014 21:53
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Yeah, I'm not sure if Model Damage Level B is preventing that thing from actually coming out a crushed wreck or what. Either way, Gyanko pulls no punches. Bigger gfycat version
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Nov 12, 2014 21:56
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Quick and dirty: I think that's the best scene in the series so far.
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Nov 12, 2014 21:56
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everythingWasBees posted:Somebody raising valid points doesn't mean their view is necessarily correct. They haven't outright mentioned it but we already know Sekai's fists cant break guarded opponents. Just about everyone with a shield has been able to block his blows without any issues. If they actually had more time in the episode and they weren't constrained with having to repair the burning so early they could probably illustrate what would happened if the build burning traded blows with the claw ez8 too. I wonder how much this is the settings being on B and whether or not they are going to switch it up to A in the later tournaments. They have to if they are going to have the burning suffer any form of real damage.
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Nov 12, 2014 21:57
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Also I'm surprised they didn't have sekai do the normal martial arts thing against invisible foes.
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Nov 12, 2014 21:58
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Quick and dirty: God drat that is just brutal to watch. 
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Nov 12, 2014 21:59
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Fumina I think is a bit complicated. She's in the support "cleric" role, making the guys better, but at the same time it's down to her that the team came together, she is very much the driving force and narratively seems to be the main protagonist. And at least the show acknowledges contributions besides combat ability as worthwhile, and everyone seems hugely impressed with Winning Gundam, and they won the battle because Fumina's work was new and surprising to people that came fully prepared. If I'm being cynical I don't see what benefit the Winning Knuckle confers given Build Burning can punch through anything short of Gynako's shield as it is. And Gyanko is a girl, and also fun and interesting and capable, so there's that too.
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Nov 12, 2014 21:59
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ImpAtom posted:.. Man, I feel so bad for that dude trying to repair his gunpla. That's like awful. Tournament rules state you can swap Gunpla between matches. Seems smart to build a few units and keep them on hand. After all, why build one gunpla when you can build two at twice the cost? I wonder what the rules are for somebody tossing extra funnels or something into the arena while a match is going on.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:01
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Cao Ni Ma posted:They haven't outright mentioned it but we already know Sekai's fists cant break guarded opponents. Just about everyone with a shield has been able to block his blows without any issues. If they actually had more time in the episode and they weren't constrained with having to repair the burning so early they could probably illustrate what would happened if the build burning traded blows with the claw ez8 too. Oh. I completely overlooked that. An armor piercing fist would make sense, then. Still, while the power up is cool and I guess really useful, it wasn't really the whole "getting them to work together" angle the show said it was, which seems to be their actual real flaw. This really needed to be a 15 minute fight, at least. Maybe the entire episode. These short fights at the end aren't enough for 3v3 battles. They were only barely enough for 1v1s.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:03
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Oh Snapple! posted:Personally I think it's lovely that he thinks being a concerned leader that recognizes the flaws in her team and builds a robot from scratch to compensate for them is a negative to her character. It isn't a negative to her character. I think after reviewing things some more the show is never explicitly negative about or disparaging of Fumina in any real way. She's clearly the only member of the team with her head on right and the other characters including rivals respect her. The problem people have about her isn't anything to do with Fumina herself, it's that her having a clue doesn't really seem to matter in battles because the other two basically just power their way out of things and she gets to contribute to that if she's lucky. Having her special secret trait be more or less "sacrifice herself to make her teammates not suck" is lame when she's clearly capable of more than that. It doesn't help that her kill shots come across as afterthoughts. On a more fun topic, Sakai had better be there when Simon fights so that he can be smug about lovely builds and then get owned once again when Simon shows that it's more than just build quality that matters. I love Sakai. He, Gyanko, and Fumina are the best characters. Clearly they should be the real team Try. chumbler fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Nov 12, 2014 |
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Nov 12, 2014 22:04
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chumbler posted:It isn't a negative to her character. I think after reviewing things some more the show is never explicitly negative about or disparaging of Fumina in any real way. She's clearly the only member of the team with her head on right and the other characters including rivals respect her. The problem people have about her isn't anything to do with Fumina herself, it's that her having a clue doesn't really seem to matter in battles because the other two basically just power their way out of things and she gets to contribute to that if she's lucky. Having her special secret trait be more or less "sacrifice herself to make her teammates not suck" is lame when she's clearly capable of more than that. It doesn't help that her kill shots come across as afterthoughts. Thing is I don't really view it that way. Yes, the Winning itself is likely capable of matching the Lightning and Burning, and as such can likely match single competitors itself. I don't view the Winning Road as sacrificing herself - I think, and I also think this is what the show was trying to convey - that the system allows her to strategically redistribute the Winning's power to her teammates as the situation demands, and that Fumina herself has a good head for this kind of thinking, while still maintaining a core unit that is still dangerous and capable of taking out others. It's pretty much the ultimate team player robot and I just don't see the problem with that because being a team player is a good thing in absolutely any team-based competition and in fact is something that is generally encouraged of folks! EDIT: poo poo, isn't the entire concept of Kuroko's Basketball that the main protagonist is an exceptionally good team player? Oh Snapple! fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Nov 12, 2014 |
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Nov 12, 2014 22:18
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Oh Snapple! posted:Thing is I don't really view it that way. Yes, the Winning itself is likely capable of matching the Lightning and Burning, and as such can likely match single competitors itself. I don't view the Winning Road as sacrificing herself - I think, and I also think this is what the show was trying to convey - that the system allows her to strategically redistribute the Winning's power to her teammates as the situation demands, and that Fumina herself has a good head for this kind of thinking, while still maintaining a core unit that is still dangerous and capable of taking out others. It's pretty much the ultimate team player robot and I just don't see the problem with that because being a team player is a good thing in absolutely any team-based competition and in fact is something that is generally encouraged of folks! And it's also a niche that needs to be filled considering you have one dude who just sits back away from the action and snipes at poo poo and one dude who does nothing but run into the action and sometimes they need a little love and support and bigger things to punch/shoot with.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:22
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Considering her rationale for switching Gunplas was that they had short and long range but no medium range in Team Try, it seems fine that she adopted the role she did.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:28
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Oh Snapple! posted:Thing is I don't really view it that way. Yes, the Winning itself is likely capable of matching the Lightning and Burning, and as such can likely match single competitors itself. I don't view the Winning Road as sacrificing herself - I think, and I also think this is what the show was trying to convey - that the system allows her to strategically redistribute the Winning's power to her teammates as the situation demands, and that Fumina herself has a good head for this kind of thinking, while still maintaining a core unit that is still dangerous and capable of taking out others. It's pretty much the ultimate team player robot and I just don't see the problem with that because being a team player is a good thing in absolutely any team-based competition and in fact is something that is generally encouraged of folks! Well, the thing there is that the earlier MOBA comparison isn't off. Fumina's role is 'support' in that support means that she is considered less valuable and important than her teammates. Her power needs to be given away and she needs to put herself at a disadvantage to power them up. This isn't a bad thing within the context of a real-world non-fictional team sport where someone is willing to forego glory in exchange for what the team needs. It makes her a team player but it makes her a team player who, within the context of a show, is devaluing her own role in favor of improving her allies. It makes her robot less cool (and I like Core Boosters but they're basically just jets) in favor of making her allies more capable of doing cool things. This is not a bad thing but it's something shonen shows do to female characters all the time. They get stuck as 'healer' or 'supporter' or whatever and that means they get to do less cool and exciting things even if they technically contribute to victory. It's basically the difference between reality and fiction. What Fumina does is fine in the reality sense (except insomuch as there's no reason so far why Winning Knuckle/Launcher needs to continue to be part of Winning Gundam now that trump card has been played) but from a fictional perspective it slots her firmly into the Girl Role where her job is to support and aid the male characters.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:41
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Not that most of this matters anyways, since in about nine days Gunpla Expo 2014 will show us the midseason upgrades. I hope whatever succeeds the Build Burning will be as  as hell at first glance as the Star Build Strike Plavsky Wing.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:42
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Good episode. I like when robot punch other robot. Maybe next episode better? New robot to punch.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:42
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ImpAtom posted:It makes her a team player but it makes her a team player who, within the context of a show, is devaluing her own role in favor of improving her allies. Her role on the team is Support and Tactics, this involves helping her allies have a better chance of performing their own roles, you are a loving idiot.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:45
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I bought robot, they should put robot in show and then robot can shoot. Papew pappow!! 
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Nov 12, 2014 22:46
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BlitzBlast posted:Not that most of this matters anyways, since in about nine days Gunpla Expo 2014 will show us the midseason upgrades. I'm holding out hope for a combiner. I mean a combiner would devalue Yuuma and Fumina in favor of Sekai in the Ryusei/Rai/Aya sort of way but I really want a goddamn combiner Gundam.
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BlitzBlast posted:Not that most of this matters anyways, since in about nine days Gunpla Expo 2014 will show us the midseason upgrades. I'm hoping for the return of kung fu Dom, personally. Paint it white like it's wearing a gi.
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Sharkopath posted:Good episode. I like when robot punch other robot. Maybe next episode better? Maybe. I heard the dude who built it used to box, so he might also punch things outside the robot. Or he might not.
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Nov 12, 2014 22:46
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How many episodes before Burning is broken in some way and Sei has to come teach Yuuma how to up his building game to repair it?
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Nov 12, 2014 22:52
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chumbler posted:Having her special secret trait be more or less "sacrifice herself to make her teammates not suck" is lame when she's clearly capable of more than that. Not to mention that there's a bit of a disconnect from her stated reason for playing Gunpla Battle in the previous episode: she wanted to be good enough to take on and beat boys in what's still basically a male-dominated sport, like Lady, her idol. So what does she do? She builds a Gunpla that makes her good enough to beat boys... by letting two other boys do all the heavy lifting for her while she picks off the weakest link in the team or the other token girl.  I really hope that we can get some episodes dedicated to single characters so maybe we can get an explanation from her that reconciles these two things. Like have her meet up with Minato while out and about and the two of them talk and he asks her why she's letting Sekai and Yuuma drag her down when she's clearly has the potential to be better than either of them. And then have her give an answer that makes sense without just being an excuse for the writers to keep her stuck in "the Girl Role" as Imp calls it. On an unrelated note, I hope Team Song Dynasty Vase gets popular enough for us to get an HGFC Rising Gundam and for them to churn out some more HGFC Nobells so that HLJ will finally be able to restock the drat things.
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nuru posted:How many episodes before Burning is broken in some way and Sei has to come teach Yuuma how to up his building game to repair it? Honestly this seemed like the episode for it, but nope gotta show off those Winning Gundam gimmicks (buy the toy).
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Nov 12, 2014 22:57
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Literally The Worst posted:Her role on the team is Support and Tactics, this involves helping her allies have a better chance of performing their own roles, you are a loving idiot. Yes, it isn't an either/or thing. Fumina can help her allies and also do cool things herself. This is harder to do when her robot's special gimmick is "weaken myself to make other people more powerful." Fumina is a good pilot, a talented tactician, and seemingly an expert builder. Why is her super-secret gimmick "the other guys need my robot parts?" BlitzBlast posted:Honestly this seemed like the episode for it, but nope gotta show off those Winning Gundam gimmicks (buy the toy). I'm really curious to see the Winning Gundam toy honestly. It seems like it's going to be absurdly complex for an SD model. W.T. Fits posted:I really hope that we can get some episodes dedicated to single characters so maybe we can get an explanation from her that reconciles these two things. Like have her meet up with Minato while out and about and the two of them talk and he asks her why she's letting Sekai and Yuuma drag her down when she's clearly has the potential to be better than either of them. And then have her give an answer that makes sense without just being an excuse for the writers to keep her stuck in "the Girl Role" as Imp calls it I'm really interested in see her meeting with the new lady Meijin at least.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:01
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Its just a transformable suit SD form and flight mode. Its not going to have any of the gimmicks other than that. If it does have more gimmicks showing up then I could see them making one of those stand alone kits that brings all the winning gimmicks in one package.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:07
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Its just a transformable suit SD form and flight mode. Its not going to have any of the gimmicks other than that. If it does have more gimmicks showing up then I could see them making one of those stand alone kits that brings all the winning gimmicks in one package. That's a little sad but you're right, it doesn't really make sense they'd make it work that way. They can just sell Winning Knuckle/Launcher add-on parts.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:08
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Sharkopath posted:I bought robot, they should put robot in show and then robot can shoot. Hey Sharkopath, tell us more about how Aida is a great character despite doing nothing but whine about how she can't do anything in-between being rescued by Bellri.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:13
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Also make a bunch of posts at once because you're an idiot who doesn't know how to say what they mean the first time.
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NotALizardman posted:Hey Sharkopath, tell us more about how Aida is a great character despite doing nothing but whine about how she can't do anything in-between being rescued by Bellri. You sound salty, friend.
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Nov 12, 2014 23:14
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Okay you all need a time out.
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Now for the love of god, please stop posting about other people posting. That goes for you "oh look at you, you're such a bad poster  " types too!
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Regarding damage, you're forgetting that the Damage Level seems to be set to "B" for all these matches. Considering Yuuma fried Ral's R35 and it came away with just a few blast smudges, I don't think the BBG's likely to actually break anytime soon. That said, I'm hoping the second-round championship tournament moves the Damage Level up to "A" as a kind of "sudden-death, bring your A-Game" thing.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Regarding damage, you're forgetting that the Damage Level seems to be set to "B" for all these matches. Considering Yuuma fried Ral's R35 and it came away with just a few blast smudges, I don't think the BBG's likely to actually break anytime soon. Yuuma didn't fry Ral's R35, he just made it drop its shield. Ral even has a "only five people ever have made me do that" thing because he's (as the ending of BF shows) absurdly strong. We've seen some model damage Level B stuff where they look damaged but not like, utterly wrecked. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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I wonder if Ez-8 team will show up in any significant capacity again. They show up in the opening, but it wouldn't be the first time Build Fighters opening massively misrepresent things. In the episode proper they were mostly treated like a disposable opponent-of-the-week but the same thing happened with Mihoshi/Kirara and she remained relevant for the show's entire run. ...Mostly I wish they had more of a personality in general. And the coach's design keeps throwing me off. Is he supposed to be a reference to something?
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Pureauthor posted:And the coach's design keeps throwing me off. Is he supposed to be a reference to something? I'm pretty sure he has to be, I just have no idea what it is. He looks super familiar but I'm not sure who.
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ImpAtom posted:I'm pretty sure he has to be, I just have no idea what it is. He looks super familiar but I'm not sure who. Maybe he's a cameo from Dragonar instead of Gundam?
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It's an incredibly distinctive design for a side character, so I'd be rather surprised if it wasn't a reference.
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W.T. Fits posted:Maybe he's a cameo from Dragonar instead of Gundam? That is what I originally thought but he doesn't look like any of the three Dragonar guys or Malliot. I'd have to look and see what their instructor looked like, it might be that guy.
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