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yeah, he's a piece of poo poo. also the lost is surprisingly not as tedious as i thought he'd be. Flying plus decent speed makes him a weaker ranged azazel and i sorta dig it
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In a challenge, if I skip getting the trophy and jump into Sheol what happens? If I die will I not get the challenge completed? or if I beat it?
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Nov 13, 2014 05:19
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Full Battle Rattle posted:I swear to god I think ??? runs are gimped in some other way other than the no-health thing. I just have consistently terrible runs with him. It's the inability to have permanent health. Getting more red heart containers is hard, but refilling them is incredibly easy as red hearts are a relatively common spawn so taking a point or two of damage is not very punishing on any other character (not counting the Lost) if they're taking red heart damage. ??? cannot gain red heart containers so each and every point of HP is temporary. Later on when there's more and more ways to generate soul/sin hearts this isn't as bad, but the early areas are potentially very punishing unless you somehow end up with a floor 1/2 Bum Friend.
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Nov 13, 2014 05:21
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Tipme posted:In a challenge, if I skip getting the trophy and jump into Sheol what happens? If I die will I not get the challenge completed? or if I beat it? If you beat Satan or Isaac, the Trophy appears again or so I think. I believe i accidentally skipped the trophy once with a shovel and got it after I beat Satan.
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Nov 13, 2014 05:21
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SuicideSnowman posted:Everything in the game is RNG. I thought the Suicide King challenge was hard and then watched somebody get Brimstone on the 2nd floor and cruise through to the end. Suicide King is quite doable without Brimstone. It would have been a lot harder in the original but Ipecac has been changed to hit things more easily. I did it on my second try. During that run I saw an item I didn't recognize, picked it up, then discovered it was Mom's Eye (the one that makes you occasionally shoot a second shot backwards). I said "oh god drat it" IRL but I was still able to finish the run, though it was a close one. RatHat posted:Finally managed to beat the Family man due to getting the Demon beggar familiar and the Pinking Shears. Those two items took care of my defense and offense. Also did the Glass Cannon challenge right afterwards, and man is it easy. The Suicide King isn't totally useless. It's highly situational but if you have, say, 9 Lives and no extra hearts it could be worth popping Suicide King just to get some consumables.
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Nov 13, 2014 05:25
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Since Azazel is easy to go quick with I am just trying to use that character to slam into the RNG repeatedly. Got 3 balls of bandages without book of revelations. I really, really hope I find Death and win the last coinflip. edit: Nope, Lokii. Ugh. Nep-Nep fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Nov 13, 2014 05:27
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Davincie posted:Can anyone give me a completely op run for judas, im really sick of trying for the lost only to end up getting various beans 3 floors in a row 2XMV K86X Holy Mantle either first or second treasure room. Which let me get every single curse room. And a good amount of HP, so I took every single devil deal. By the end, I was Guppy, had Krampus's Head, was holding Cancer and Mom's Pearl, and I took an Emperor card to the end of the Dark Room and killed the Lamb and got Dark Boy. I should've saved the seed for the run before, I'd gotten Polyphemus and Quad Shot by the Caves I, but I died stupidly.
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Nov 13, 2014 05:28
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So what item makes it so you get healed if Mom steps on you? I went in with half a heart into a Mom fight expecting to die fast but letting her step on me slowly got me back to max health 
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Nov 13, 2014 05:33
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I was super pissed about picking up Soy Milk, but after the boss I got 20/20, and the scythes from the Devil room. I barely made it in time to get the Boss Rush, and friggin' liquidated everyone  First time at the Chest and I got both 99 Bombs and Tear Bombs. No problem whatsoever. 
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Nov 13, 2014 05:33
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Dr. VooDoo posted:So what item makes it so you get healed if Mom steps on you? I went in with half a heart into a Mom fight expecting to die fast but letting her step on me slowly got me back to max health I think it's called Pyromaniac or something? It makes explosions of any kind heal you. The reason it happens is because Mom's foot has an AOE effect that is caused by the game spawning a bomb behind the foot that explodes when it hits the ground, same as in the original.
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Nov 13, 2014 05:36
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Number 1 + Protoposis + Midas Touch. "I'm sorry, am I getting in your personal space?" 
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Nov 13, 2014 05:38
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So I found a card mimic early on my Maggie run and it's easily the most overpowered item in the entire game. I found a hierophant card on the next floor and basically had 2 soul hearts every 4 rooms. On the Depths 2, I found a wheel of fortune card and held onto it to use as a free chest. That was, until I spawned a Fortune Teller machine. It ended up dropping a Jera rune and the rest was history. One key thing I found out was that chests that are duplicated by the Jera rune will always drop the same set of things...so if it drops an item, all duplicated chests will also drop an item. On Sheol I found a battery which turned into hundreds of batteries. I also found a golden chest, duplicated it, and opened it to find an item. I then proceeded to duplicate ~16 chests before I accidentally opened all of them without leaving one to duplicate. It was probably for the best because if you duplicate too many things, every time you open a chest, you'll and up crashing even if its many levels later. I was able to find another chest with items in it in the Dark Room and get 16 more items before demolishing the Lamb and Mega-Satan.  
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Nov 13, 2014 05:40
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Alkydere posted:It's the inability to have permanent health. Getting more red heart containers is hard, but refilling them is incredibly easy as red hearts are a relatively common spawn so taking a point or two of damage is not very punishing on any other character (not counting the Lost) if they're taking red heart damage. ??? cannot gain red heart containers so each and every point of HP is temporary. Later on when there's more and more ways to generate soul/sin hearts this isn't as bad, but the early areas are potentially very punishing unless you somehow end up with a floor 1/2 Bum Friend. Yes, that Is why I specifically said I think he's gimped in some other way - because his main handicap is extremely obvious. Low starting luck, maybe?
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Nov 13, 2014 05:51
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13/f/cali posted:Since Azazel is easy to go quick with I am just trying to use that character to slam into the RNG repeatedly. Got 3 balls of bandages without book of revelations. I really, really hope I find Death and win the last coinflip. What are you shooting for exactly? The Super Meat Boy and Bandage Girl achievements only require 3 cubes/balls, not all 4. The 4th only makes it stronger, the 3rd is when they sprout legs and go own. I got the Bandage Girl one like this just hours ago.
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Nov 13, 2014 05:52
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Man this game is weird, how is Slow Roll even a challenge?
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Nov 13, 2014 05:59
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Full Battle Rattle posted:Yes, that Is why I specifically said I think he's gimped in some other way - because his main handicap is extremely obvious. Low starting luck, maybe? Ah. I just thought you were understating how damaging his handicap is. Though I wouldn't be surprised if ??? did have lower luck. Anyways, pee-scythes? Fun and hilarious as you release a torrent of golden bling scythes. IPECAC-scythes? BAD IDEA.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:04
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:I was perusing the wiki, and saw that Abaddon looked like a rad-rear end item. I decided to unlock it, just found it... the wiki neglected to mention that it turns all of your heart containers into black hearts. Ugh, run pretty much ruined. Oh well, live and learn. It still is a pretty rad-rear end item if you come across it as ???. I ended up gaining like 6 black hearts from it somehow.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:11
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Crotch Bat posted:What are you shooting for exactly? The Super Meat Boy and Bandage Girl achievements only require 3 cubes/balls, not all 4. The 4th only makes it stronger, the 3rd is when they sprout legs and go own. Wait, really? It didn't unlock the secret when I got the third.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:13
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wyoming posted:Man this game is weird, how is Slow Roll even a challenge? Because it's a pain in the rear end to destroy poop/fires.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:14
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Prop Wash posted:It still is a pretty rad-rear end item if you come across it as ???. I ended up gaining like 6 black hearts from it somehow.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:16
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Bug I haven't seen anyone mention: My Eve run got ruined when after beating Monstro II, I could no longer see shots or items. Monsters were still visible, but not their shots 
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Nov 13, 2014 06:19
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wyoming posted:Man this game is weird, how is Slow Roll even a challenge? It's not. It pretty much exists as an OP thing you can always go back to after your run gets ruined by a brimstone wallspider. Speaking of which, there's a lot of new enemies that I really hate. I don't mean that I necessarily think they're badly designed, but there's definitely a lot of guys who are "THAT FUCKER". Brimstone Spiders, the walking version of those turrets, the spiders that run away from at mach 5 and spawn more spiders, any burrowing enemy ever, those weird things that are like that mole thing in a weird growth that spawn in the womb and take forever to pop out of their shell...
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Nov 13, 2014 06:20
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My least favorite enemy in the entire game is that stupid mole thing that doesn't shoot at you until you're right up next to it. gently caress those guys.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:21
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Fuckin' here we go again with this poo poo. Got Golden God on the PS4 version and the trophy didn't pop.  I guess at the very least I'm not unlocking Cain items as Eve this time around, but come on!
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Nov 13, 2014 06:23
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God gently caress The Adversary. Honestly my most hated boss at this point. Between the homing Brimstone and THE SPIDER SPAM. gently caress SPIDERS. SO MUCH. E: It cannot be overstated how loving stupid Spiders are as an enemy. Especially the big ones that can leap across the loving room at you in half a second. Magres fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Nov 13, 2014 06:33
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I somehow got an Eden run where I have a max damage brimstone and guppy flies. I just got to the boss rush and cleared it in a minute. I was literally one shotting everything while my flies killed the stuff I didn't hit.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:33
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ArfJason posted:just lost a completely bonkers Lost run with whore of babylon, the mark and lil brimstone to super peep (the one with loving instabrimstone). it was to one of his eyes though I hate that piece of poo poo, it's the worst boss.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:39
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Jesus this was absurd. I was guppy on floor 2, and things just spiraled from there. Azrael really is the easy mode character, huh?
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Nov 13, 2014 06:39
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Monstro's Lung and Spoon Bender don't combo as well as you'd hope. The shots do kinda home in a little, but it's not the Magic Missile Barrage I was hoping for.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:43
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Internet Kraken posted:I somehow got an Eden run where I have a max damage brimstone and guppy flies. I just got to the boss rush and cleared it in a minute. I was literally one shotting everything while my flies killed the stuff I didn't hit. Update: I got to the Dark Room with this run and still nearly died because I had no defensive upgrades. That place is ridiculously brutal. The Lamb isn't very hard compared to the painful road you traverse to reach him. Grapplejack posted:I hate that piece of poo poo, it's the worst boss. I found him to be a lot easier once I realized he fires a smaller brimstone beam from his eyes. You can hit him from the side while he spams that blast over and over without being hit. There's one Womb layout that puts rocks on his sides though so you pretty much have to stand in front of him, which is just a death zone. Its garbage.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:54
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Wow, Monstro's Lung with shielded tears makes for some ridiculously easy bullet hell bosses.
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Nov 13, 2014 06:55
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The Lord of Hats posted:It's not. It pretty much exists as an OP thing you can always go back to after your run gets ruined by a brimstone wallspider. Internet Kraken posted:I found him to be a lot easier once I realized he fires a smaller brimstone beam from his eyes. You can hit him from the side while he spams that blast over and over without being hit. There's one Womb layout that puts rocks on his sides though so you pretty much have to stand in front of him, which is just a death zone. Its garbage. The Bloat can't shoot brimstone upwards so I usually just stand above/behind him and shoot, dodging his occasional bullet sprays. If he jumps to the top of the screen so I can't stand behind him then I just move downwards and wait for him to move again.
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Nov 13, 2014 07:00
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CaptainWinky posted:Perhaps my most hated enemy is the walking Host (pop-up skull guy) simply because it waits so long to pop up compared to the regular Hosts. I hate that there are several room designs that involve turrets firing at you while you try to kill these fuckers.
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Nov 13, 2014 07:05
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CaptainWinky posted:I dislike the sheer amount of "whack-a-mole" enemies. The burrowing enemies and the teleporting ghosts seem more likely to appear right next to you than in the original game. Perhaps my most hated enemy is the walking Host (pop-up skull guy) simply because it waits so long to pop up compared to the regular Hosts. Part of the problem with walking Hosts is that they won't pop up if you're right next to them and they also won't pop up if you're too far for them to hit. Forces you to constantly dance around 'em if you want to actually hit.
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Nov 13, 2014 07:09
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So, Suicide King is easy when you get a 6-died room and re-roll that poo poo into flying and Technology 2. Although if it makes anyone feel better that re-roll came with a Cursed Eye and I essentially fought Isaac twice because I got hit when he had like 2% hp and loving teleported. 13/f/cali posted:Wait, really? It didn't unlock the secret when I got the third. As far as I know all of the transformations(Mom, LotF, Guppy, SMB, BG) all just require 3 of whatever item.
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Nov 13, 2014 07:10
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Brother Entropy posted:Part of the problem with walking Hosts is that they won't pop up if you're right next to them and they also won't pop up if you're too far for them to hit. Forces you to constantly dance around 'em if you want to actually hit. i kinda wish that all of them were the red variety at the very least so that they can be hit at all times. i guess it would ruin the point of having the walking versions, though. not that i would mind that a bit??? i thought the normal hosts were fine enough enemies as-is, to be honest.
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Nov 13, 2014 07:16
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Lesson learned: if you have a ??? that is going fantastic, the best way to see it all go to poo poo within one level is to grab Doctor loving Fetus after the 3 Dollar Bill. The quadshot bombs absolutely destroyed me from bouncing everywhere, and my seven soul hearts got decimated in the space of Caves 2. Time to go for that lucky number -7 on my win streak counter! 
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Nov 13, 2014 07:20
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I'm trying to get The Lost unlocked, and I have that seed for Judas mentioned earlier, but is there a seed for isaac where there will always be a room with a mulliboom I can easily die to?
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Nov 13, 2014 07:25
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My first successful Blue Baby run was a fun trip, using Undefined to pop around the secret rooms and occasionally skip bosses via I AM ERROR. I visited the Cathedral and took down Isaac for the first time. It was a pretty near thing, too, hard fought with only Blood Clot, Tough Love, and Cancer (trinket) boosting my shots. I traded Pulse Worm for Cancer; the pulsing bullets are actually pretty good, probably the best of the worm trinkets. I'm having an easier time with both Leapers and Knights in Rebirth than I did in vanilla. The skeleton dudes and brimstone wall-spiders can eat a dick, though. And the disappearing demon-gapers.
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Nov 13, 2014 07:31
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Chriiiiiiiiist my first run on the lost, beat Mom, ran into red poop and died on Womb 1 
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