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dublish posted:They're really going for the Bavarian pronunciation in those translations. ???????? The gently caress Bavarians are you listening to? Bavarian's non-rhotic, for a start. And the bigger problem you run into, and I assume a big cause of this, is transcription : English orthography is really, really non-phonemic, loving Chinese is better, and now you have to phonetically transcribe sounds that don't exist in English in a way so you pray to god some random rear end in a top hat reading them off the cuff will be understood by someone frightened for their lives and not super lenient with errors. That sounds hard as balls.
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How awesome would a movie about JB Hood's time in the Civil War with Hood played by Michael K. Williams be? It would not take the most complimentary stance of course. Lost-causers would not be happy with it.
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cheerfullydrab posted:How awesome would a movie about JB Hood's time in the Civil War with Hood played by Michael K. Williams be? It would not take the most complimentary stance of course. Lost-causers would not be happy with it.
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Doesn't everyone hate Braxton Bragg too? I don't know how him and Hood both have army bases named after them, although I guess the US has a shitload of army bases.
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Nov 13, 2014 04:41
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Yeah reading about Bragg's failures in Foote's books made me question why the base named after him is where the special forces are. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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Nov 13, 2014 04:48
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PittTheElder posted:Doesn't everyone hate Braxton Bragg too? I don't know how him and Hood both have army bases named after them, although I guess the US has a shitload of army bases. Well, none of his contemporaries liked Bragg. I don't know how his reputation has held up as a general or as a lost causer, but winning a major battle is always a feather in one's cap.
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sullat posted:Well, none of his contemporaries liked Bragg. I don't know how his reputation has held up as a general or as a lost causer, but winning a major battle is always a feather in one's cap. Well, he won Chickamauga but then lost Chattanooga, largely as a result of not following up Chickamauga and letting the Union army escape. I don't know if another general could have could have done a better job, but since he was an rear end in a top hat no one liked he's not given much slack.
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Nov 13, 2014 05:03
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Jefferson Davis liked Braxton Bragg, and that's the only opinion that mattered. 
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Nov 13, 2014 05:14
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Pulling Buell all the way out of Alabama and through Tennessee counts for something, I guess. It's just a shame Fort Rosecrans got chucked to the Navy.
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Xiahou Dun posted:???????? I showed the phrasebook to a German, and her best guess was that some Americans listened to German accents when speaking English and attempted to "reverse engineer" them for pronunciations. This worked poorly.
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dublish posted:Jefferson Davis liked Braxton Bragg, and that's the only opinion that mattered. Classic Bragg: quote:We often think of the term "fragging" -- attempts to kill officers by the enlisted men -- as a Twentieth Century phenomenon. But it happened to Bragg in Mexico. Someone (Bragg believed it to be a "fugitive from the laws of Ohio") exploded a bomb under his bed. Miraculously, Bragg escaped unhurt. A report of the situation went on to explain, "except some of his men think he is too severe in his discipline. This is the second attempt upon his life." fn (13)
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dublish posted:Jefferson Davis liked Braxton Bragg, and that's the only opinion that mattered. quote:Historians Grady McWhiney and Steven Woodworth have pointed out that, contrary to popular belief, Davis and Bragg were not friends, having bitterly quarreled during the antebellum years. Davis was impressed with Bragg's qualifications for high command early in the war, but was willing to relieve him by 1863, following Perryville and Stones River. Edit: McWhiney is a good name for a Bragg historian HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Frankly given the state of the US military in the run-up to the Mexican-American war, I'm more surprised that more officers didn't have attempts on their lives. If you want to read a book about the messed up racism and drunken officers that led to "discipline" that made Prussians wonder what the hell was up and led to one of the best units of the Mexican Army being deserters from the US army, The Rogue's March is pretty solid and very readable. I should probably make a post about it at some time because dear god.
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HEY GAL posted:Nope, add his name to the list of people Bragg alienated. From Wikipedia: There was a huge blow-up in October, 1863 in which all of Bragg's subordinates petitioned Davis to have him removed. Davis traveled to Atlanta personally to settle the issue, and after a rather uncomfortable meeting, Davis sided with Bragg over them. All of the complaining subordinates were transferred to oblivion or relieved of their commands. It wasn't until the disasters at Lookout Mountain and Missionary Ridge that Bragg finally resigned. Even then, Davis hired him back as a military advisor in Richmond. Why Davis was so enamored of him remains a mystery.
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Deteriorata posted:There was a huge blow-up in October, 1863 in which all of Bragg's subordinates petitioned Davis to have him removed. Davis traveled to Atlanta personally to settle the issue, and after a rather uncomfortable meeting, Davis sided with Bragg over them. All of the complaining subordinates were transferred to oblivion or relieved of their commands.
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Deteriorata posted:There was a huge blow-up in October, 1863 in which all of Bragg's subordinates petitioned Davis to have him removed. Davis traveled to Atlanta personally to settle the issue, and after a rather uncomfortable meeting, Davis sided with Bragg over them. All of the complaining subordinates were transferred to oblivion or relieved of their commands. You know, in hindsight, there are probably worse gigs in the Confederate Army than being reassigned to monitoring central Florida for Yankee incursions.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:You know, in hindsight, there are probably worse gigs in the Confederate Army than being reassigned to monitoring central Florida for Yankee incursions. Hopefully not the mosquito-infested swamplands.
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Xiahou Dun posted:????????  My high school German teacher was from Bavaria. All I remember was that she used the soft 'sh' for words with 'ch', rather than the harder 'ck' that she said was the northern pronunciation. This is all years ago, so I might be badly misremembering.
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^^^no no no. That's explicitly a Northern thing, in so far as I understand you. Bavarians, if anything, drop the sound at the end of a syllable. So like Preißen say "I" as 'isch' and we say it as 'i'. I am literally Bavarian. That is totally a Preiß thing and she is a traitor. Ensign Expendable posted:I showed the phrasebook to a German, and her best guess was that some Americans listened to German accents when speaking English and attempted to "reverse engineer" them for pronunciations. This worked poorly. That doesn't really jive unless only the transcription was done by English speakers ; these are stilted and weird phrases, sure, but not word for word translations and would require a decent knowledge of German. So that'd only make sense if they had a German speaker to do the first pass and then fired them for just some rear end in a top hat. Which maybe happened. Who knows? But it's dumb as hell if that's the case. (Full disclosure : I speak German and am a linguist so I'm like ?????) Xiahou Dun fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:You know, in hindsight, there are probably worse gigs in the Confederate Army than being reassigned to monitoring central Florida for Yankee incursions. Someone tell the transgenerational holdouts down there the war's over and the slavers lost.
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Xiahou Dun posted:(Full disclosure : I speak German and am a linguist so I'm like ?????)
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HEY GAL posted:You speak Bavarian, you weirdo. THE OBJECTIVELY BEST GERMAN HATER
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Xiahou Dun posted:THE OBJECTIVELY BEST GERMAN HATER That's St. Alexander Nevsky.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:You know, in hindsight, there are probably worse gigs in the Confederate Army than being reassigned to monitoring central Florida for Yankee incursions.
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xthetenth posted:Frankly given the state of the US military in the run-up to the Mexican-American war, I'm more surprised that more officers didn't have attempts on their lives. If you want to read a book about the messed up racism and drunken officers that led to "discipline" that made Prussians wonder what the hell was up and led to one of the best units of the Mexican Army being deserters from the US army, The Rogue's March is pretty solid and very readable. I should probably make a post about it at some time because dear god. How does it compare to Grant's memoirs? I only got about halfway through his retelling of the Mex-Am War but it didn't exactly paint the US army in a positive light.
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PittTheElder posted:Doesn't everyone hate Braxton Bragg too? I don't know how him and Hood both have army bases named after them, although I guess the US has a shitload of army bases. During the world wars the US built about a jillion "camps" for training and whatnot and named them after practically everybody who had ever served ever, it is just coincidence that Bragg and Hood were among those that were kept around after the war.
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Sainsbury's have a spectacularly tasteless Christmas advert this year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWF2JBb1bvM Yes, it's about the truce in No Man's Land. Thank God all those people died so that a grocer with delusions of grandeur could hawk some groceries! Anyway, there's an obvious enough Guardian column pointing out what a bag of poo poo all this is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/13/sainsburys-christmas-ad-first-world-war So far, so predictable; but below the line, in the "Guardian picks" tab, lies the single best comment I've ever seen anywhere on the internet. quote:I went to the cinema the other day and this advert played after the normal ads where the film trailers usually go. I created an account just so I could upvote it.
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Trin Tragula posted:Sainsbury's have a spectacularly tasteless Christmas advert this year. The best part about all that is that you've got an English guy giving a loving German a goddamned chocolate bar. Think about that for a second. You just gave a loving German English Chocolate. Might as well give an American wartime German cigarettes.
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Cyrano4747 posted:The best part about all that is that you've got an English guy giving a loving German a goddamned chocolate bar. I bet he didn't even buy it at Sainsbury's.
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Aren't you both American? This is a bit rich. English chocolate is loving great. if it was literally any other kind of english food you'd have a point though
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Koramei posted:Aren't you both American? This is a bit rich. English chocolate is loving great. My brother in law is half Swiss, half Dutch,and he gave his Swiss cousins some Hershey's once. A dude spat it out into his hand and went "Um...this chocolate...it's spoiled."
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Trin Tragula posted:Sainsbury's have a spectacularly tasteless Christmas advert this year. What's sad/terrible about it is - it's a *great* ad, IMHO. But the match of creator/piece is all wrong.
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I never got all the hype about European chocolate, just tasted the same to me. Maybe I never got the good stuff.
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Haha, holy gently caress that advert.
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PittTheElder posted:I never got all the hype about European chocolate, just tasted the same to me. Maybe I never got the good stuff.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Haha, holy gently caress that advert.
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Spacewolf posted:What's sad/terrible about it is - it's a *great* ad, IMHO. But the match of creator/piece is all wrong. should have faded out with them playing footy, then bam  brought to you by Adolf Dassler (maybe even a joint ad by Adidas and Puma to reflect the sibling companies ending their 60 years of rivalry while working in the same little German village by playing a game of soccer in 2009)
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The final words from The Guardian article.quote:The film-makers here have done something to the first world war which is perhaps the most dangerous and disrespectful act of all: they have made it beautiful. Makes me wonder what horrible advertising explotiation awaits the memories of the 20th century war dead for sure now.
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100 Years Ago Speaking of crass and tasteless, I spend much of today sniggering childishly; first at the formation of the National Council for Combating Venereal Diseases (I'm actually quite impressed here by the efforts of the Territorials and Kitchener's Army, as the actual BEF has mostly been far too busy fighting the war to contribute to the problem, yet). There's also an amusing story about a moustache-wearing monocle-toting frightfully-well-spoken cavalry officer who politely requests of an infantry counterpart, "Would you mind getting off my loving battlefield?" And, as far as stories of armies losing battles and getting horribly killed can possibly be funny, there's a pretty hilarious French colonial gently caress-up in Morocco. (Also, the latrines are overflowing in the Flanders trenches, and not for the last time. It's a lavatorial day all round.)
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