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pagancow posted:Yeah but you watching the ads indirectly funds a show. Show Popularity commands a higher price. sounds to me like advertisers need to get a whole lot better at providing their product b/c they been coastin
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:sounds to me like advertisers need to get a whole lot better at providing their product b/c they been coastin advertising is a cool thing cause if it doesnt work nobody can prove it
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Nov 13, 2014 20:18
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must've just been a bad product i guess apply directly to the forehead
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Nov 13, 2014 20:18
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PuTTY riot posted:advertising is a cool thing cause if it doesnt work nobody can prove it actually, if you were to sell a smart TV you would put together focus groups first and show them the product before you dumped a ton of money into it. Once you determined that consumers want said product you scale your marketing budget accordingly from what you found out in those focus tests.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:20
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but no RARR MARKETING BAD!!! it just RUINS OUR CULTURE *picks up iphone and plays ad supported mobile game*
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Nov 13, 2014 20:21
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pagancow posted:but no RARR MARKETING BAD!!! it just RUINS OUR CULTURE unironically this
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Nov 13, 2014 20:24
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I will subsist in high quality netflix originalspagancow posted:actually, if you were to sell a smart TV you would put together focus groups first and show them the product before you dumped a ton of money into it. Once you determined that consumers want said product you scale your marketing budget accordingly from what you found out in those focus tests. well if this is true then how do they keep finding focus groups who like slow, lovely, smart tv UIs
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Nov 13, 2014 20:25
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The product isn't there a lot of times because they are done early due to the fact that it takes time to ship those things.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:26
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cable tv has pandered to the lowest common denominator long before the internet. it may be worse now but only because the collective standards of the remaining stragglers have dropped. there were lovely tv shows on all the time in the 80s and 90s, but the really bad ones were forgotten or we learned to like them because nothing else was available. it seems like there's a trend towards specialty networks producing good quality tv. hbo and showtime have been around for a while, but they're bigger than ever now. we also have amc, fx, and i'm sure there are others i'm forgetting. there's still a demand for it and it shows. amc's revenue rose 31% last quarter. we post in a nerd forum so our views on piracy are skewed. it's easy to assume most people are pirates when most people here likely are. when in reality it's much easier for your average game of thrones watcher to stream it legally vs. deal with sketchy public torrent sites and emails from their ISP. goddamn it, i effort posted in yospos.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:27
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pagancow posted:actually, if you were to sell a smart TV you would put together focus groups first and show them the product before you dumped a ton of money into it. Once you determined that consumers want said product you scale your marketing budget accordingly from what you found out in those focus tests. the one with the ads on it you mean?
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Nov 13, 2014 20:27
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Version 2 or 3 might have the version 1 product there just to find out how to make it better if it initially sold well.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:27
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BANME.sh posted:when in reality it's much easier for your average game of thrones watcher to stream it legally vs. deal with sketchy public torrent sites and emails from their ISP. wait when did this become possible without an hbo subscription
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Nov 13, 2014 20:28
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:wait when did this become possible without an hbo subscription 1/1/2015 iirc and also sharing w/ ppl who do have hbo
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Nov 13, 2014 20:28
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pagancow posted:Yeah but you watching the ads indirectly funds a show. Show Popularity commands a higher price. not just popularity, also it's target audience. wasnt star trek almost canceled until they found out that it was the only show that targeted the coveted single male engineer demographic?
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Nov 13, 2014 20:28
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PuTTY riot posted:the one with the ads on it you mean? Price was discussed in an earlier meeting and they said "yes I'd be willing to buy a 50" TV with all this engineering you're going to put into it for 500 and nothing more" and then the Ads came in to help make it a reality because, god damnit you wouldn't pay any more
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Nov 13, 2014 20:28
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and pedophiles, obv
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Nov 13, 2014 20:28
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newreply.php posted:not just popularity, also it's target audience. wasnt star trek almost canceled until they found out that it was the only show that targeted the coveted single male engineer demographic? star trek is always on the brink of being canceled for some reason or another and yet it still keeps getting made.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:29
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It probably helps that trekies love to pay for nerd poo poo, and there are other means of providing the show revenue to be produced.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:30
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pagancow posted:Price was discussed in an earlier meeting and they said "yes I'd be willing to buy a 50" TV with all this engineering you're going to put into it for 500 and nothing more" then just sell me the same 50" 120hz tv you engineered 5 years ago, whats wrong with that one? why do we need new models every snigle year?
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Nov 13, 2014 20:31
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newreply.php posted:and pedophiles, obv and trek made money in the 1990s. at one point it was something like 60% of paramounts total revenue
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Nov 13, 2014 20:42
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idk consumer brain likes new things "This TV only came out 4 months ago, it's so desirable!" "You don't want that TV, it's last year's model!"
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Nov 13, 2014 20:42
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PuTTY riot posted:then just sell me the same 50" 120hz tv you engineered 5 years ago, whats wrong with that one? why do we need new models every snigle year? 'cause if you aren't growing you're dyin' son c'mon this is capitalism 101
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Nov 13, 2014 20:44
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pagancow posted:
pagancow posted:idk consumer brain likes new things Why would companies cater to idiots that don't want to pay more than X for a "new" TV that is nearly identical to the previous year's TV? Companies make new TVs every year because if the Board of Trustees doesn't get that sweet sweet dividend on the rising stock price then head's start to roll. Gotta consume consume consume.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:57
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pagancow posted:idk consumer brain likes new things well yes because of advertising, are you sure you understand how ads work
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Nov 13, 2014 20:58
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pagancow posted:lol you guys still dont get it because they should count themselves fuckin lucky to be born into a world where they are allowed to make poo poo for us to watch, and not into a Jewish household in 1930s Germany they should count themselves lucky that we choose to watch their poo poo. getting paid to do what they do is a cherry on top they should be grateful for but instead they treat it as is their god drat birth right to get paid to produce the fuckin trash that they do they're fuckin garbage men picking up old dog food cans and sticking them to a Burger King wrapper and calling it "media" and then having the arrogance to expect people to pay them for it
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Nov 13, 2014 21:04
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pagancow posted:but no RARR MARKETING BAD!!! it just RUINS OUR CULTURE yes. glad we agree. hopefully one day in the future we will look back on polluting every medium with advertising with as much shame as we look back on dumping tetraethyl lead across the entire planet today but the corporations! how will they pay for it all! shrieks pagancow, causing nearby windows and wine glasses to shatter gently caress them, i don't care if they don't make things i like. i'm not complaining about a dearth of things i like, i'm complaining about the ads. enough people make things i do like, for free, to entertain me in perpetuity. and if they didn't, well gently caress, maybe i'd just have to not be constantly entertained for five minutes of my life, which i guess in america is considered inhumane treatment
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Nov 13, 2014 21:18
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all I hear itt are a bunch of discontent voices that the most expensive media out there doesn't care about their entertainment desires. TV and Film industries are doing quite financially well when not serving you.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:21
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except for tbc becuse he gets his entertainment from the finest freely produced podcasts and youtubes. until the advertisers get on board when they realize people with purchasing power are watching these shows. oh wait, it's already happening lol http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/generation-like/
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Nov 13, 2014 21:23
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DONT WATCH IT TBC. SOME ADS PLAY AND SULLY THE EXPERIENCE
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Nov 13, 2014 21:24
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advertising is cool because its completely unavoidable and teaches little girls that the onyl things that matter are being cute and getting boys to like u and pink barbie sparkle rainbow magic
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Nov 13, 2014 21:27
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PuTTY riot posted:advertising is cool because its completely unavoidable and teaches little girls that the onyl things that matter are being cute and getting boys to like u and pink barbie sparkle rainbow magic please don't make these unsupportable claims about advertising ruining culture. everyone knows it doesn't do that. heck, advertising doesn't even work on me, because i'm so smart and i know better.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:28
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i dont mind ads, they give you great little intermissions to go take a leak / get another beer / etc
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:it's ok to creep on her 18 year old character because the actress was like 25 Shelly was hotter imo
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Nov 13, 2014 21:34
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pagancow I was watching ads on tv in the 80s and tv sucked and I'm not watching ads now and tv still sucks so all this free market bullshit you're saying is bullshit and I want you to stop saying it.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:37
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rotor posted:Shelly was hotter imo 
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Nov 13, 2014 21:38
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the idea that if we watch advertising then we will get shows we like is demonstrably false. stop saying it.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:39
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rotor posted:the idea that if we watch advertising then we will get shows we like is demonstrably false. stop saying it. the just-world fallacy for marketers
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Nov 13, 2014 21:40
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rotor posted:the idea that if we watch advertising then we will get shows we like is demonstrably false. stop saying it. but piracy!
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Nov 13, 2014 21:47
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rotor posted:the idea that if we watch advertising then we will get shows we like is demonstrably false. stop saying it. Just watching a show/movie isn't enough to guarantee more episodes/movies.
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PuTTY riot posted:but piracy! There are many free ways to watch TV shows with your SMART TV that dont drive the show off air.
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