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pagancow posted:Just watching a show/movie isn't enough to guarantee more episodes/movies. no one here said it was
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if you are not a neilsen family it makes no difference what you watch and if you watch the ads or not of course cable/dish companies, netflix, amazon and tivo sell actual viewer data as well but nobody cares [because it might shake up a huge entrenched industry]
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Nov 13, 2014 21:51
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pagancow posted:Just watching a show/movie isn't enough to guarantee more episodes/movies. neither is anything else consumers can do so who cares. gently caress advertising
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Nov 13, 2014 21:52
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Dont worry, the market has spoken. in 5-10 years there will be no ad interuptions during shows and they will just be 10 minute product placement "shows"
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Nov 13, 2014 21:53
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qirex posted:if you are not a neilsen family it makes no difference what you watch and if you watch the ads or not afaict, "old" advertising is just kind of whistling and looking off to the side and pretending "new" advertising, with all its actual quantifiable data, doesn't really exist
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Nov 13, 2014 21:53
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infernal machines posted:neither is anything else consumers can do
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Nov 13, 2014 21:53
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hey pagancow, i know what i do is terrible for society too and i don't have any plans to stop either, but i don't have the temerity to run around saying it's good and proper
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Nov 13, 2014 21:54
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Tiny Bug Child posted:afaict, "old" advertising is just kind of whistling and looking off to the side and pretending "new" advertising, with all its actual quantifiable data, doesn't really exist what's happened is that now that there's metrics that show that "new" advertising doesn't perform very well money is going back into "old" advertising [which probably performs identically poorly but since there's no way to prove it they'll be optimistic] most national brands could turn 90% of their annual marketing spend into a price cut and do way better
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Nov 13, 2014 21:56
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pagancow posted:Dont worry, the market has spoken. in 5-10 years there will be no ad interuptions during shows and they will just be 10 minute product placement "shows" which would have happened regardless of Adblock
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Nov 13, 2014 21:57
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qirex posted:what's happened is that now that there's metrics that show that "new" advertising doesn't perform very well money is going back into "old" advertising [which probably performs identically poorly but since there's no way to prove it they'll be optimistic] my homeowners and auto insurance doesnt advertise and its a lot cheaper and better than state farm
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Nov 13, 2014 21:58
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qirex posted:what's happened is that now that there's metrics that show that "new" advertising doesn't perform very well money is going back into "old" advertising [which probably performs identically poorly but since there's no way to prove it they'll be optimistic] yep I'd actually be surprised if traditional did anywhere nearly as well the Nielsen lies are just so established in the industry that there's no stopping them.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:59
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PuTTY riot posted:my homeowners and auto insurance doesnt advertise and its a lot cheaper and better than state farm no that's not possible. there's no way you could have known about them unless they advertised to you. just ask pagancow
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Nov 13, 2014 22:02
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I suspect that most marketing management knows how ineffective their efforts are but they're not going to tell their boss "you know what would actually help? take away my $200 million, fire almost everyone in my department and use that money make the product better and cheaper"
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Nov 13, 2014 22:05
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qirex posted:what's happened is that now that there's metrics that show that "new" advertising doesn't perform very well money is going back into "old" advertising [which probably performs identically poorly but since there's no way to prove it they'll be optimistic] ahaha this makes so much sense
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Nov 13, 2014 22:08
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eh marketing & advertising are usually the first things to be cut when budget runs low so I think a lot of people know that
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Nov 13, 2014 22:08
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it's not like ads don't work, they do, it's just that it all falls under "brand awareness" and "brand lift" and those are some really vague numbers so you really need truly mass market products to make advertising work for you
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Nov 13, 2014 22:25
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yeah, coca cola should probably keep advertising. geico? maybe not
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Nov 13, 2014 22:27
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pagancow posted:Dont worry, the market has spoken. in 5-10 years there will be no ad interuptions during shows and they will just be 10 minute product placement "shows" modern TV is terrible anyways and you assholes would do just loving fine with a hard drive full of looney toons and a Twin Peaks rip. go the f outside stop watching porn full of guys in imaginary animal skin coats
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Nov 13, 2014 22:30
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Jonny 290 posted:modern TV is terrible anyways and you assholes would do just loving fine with a hard drive full of looney toons and a Twin Peaks rip. go the f outside stop watching porn full of guys in imaginary animal skin coats 
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Nov 13, 2014 22:31
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Jonny 290 posted:stop watching porn full of guys in imaginary animal skin coats you first
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Nov 13, 2014 22:36
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Jonny 290 posted:modern TV is terrible anyways and you assholes would do just loving fine with a hard drive full of looney toons and a Twin Peaks rip. go the f outside stop watching porn full of guys in imaginary animal skin coats looks like someone's still grumpy after their potatobation!
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Nov 13, 2014 22:41
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You wanna start giving me catjail, I'm going to at least earn it.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:41
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Cant wait to see what kind of innovation NFL brings to the adscape: http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/11/13/7213879/how-much-would-it-cost-to-buy-everything-advertised-in-an-nfl-game Only, $785,216.96 they can easily go to a million.
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Nov 14, 2014 00:04
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how well do you think people would pay for a football broadcast without any commentary or advertising whatsoever
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Nov 14, 2014 00:07
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:how well do you think people would pay for a football broadcast without any commentary or advertising whatsoever I would pay $5 just to mute joe buck e: per game qirex fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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Nov 14, 2014 00:09
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:how well do you think people would pay for a football broadcast without any commentary or advertising whatsoever i watched a recording of an olympic water polo game w/ no broadcasters and holy poo poo it owned. u got to watch the pregame warmups and stuff and hear the natatorium announcer instead of some NBC idiot who doesn't know anything dont get me started on oylmpic advertising and how hosed the olympics are
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Nov 14, 2014 00:10
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i listened to the "sound of sport" docu recently at one point this old british dude is discussing tennis coverage and how they get some of the difficult effects and whatnot and he mentions how relatively new the idea of having broadcast commentary is apparently up until recently there was a vocal minority that was totally against having commentary at all and would write in to the various stations and tell them that their poo poo was garbage and to knock it off p often
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Nov 14, 2014 00:14
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PuTTY riot posted:i watched a recording of an olympic water polo game w/ no broadcasters and holy poo poo it owned. u got to watch the pregame warmups and stuff and hear the natatorium announcer instead of some NBC idiot who doesn't know anything
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Nov 14, 2014 00:15
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before nipplegate my dad would mute the tv and turn on the radio when he watched the cowboys games
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PuTTY riot posted:before nipplegate my dad would mute the tv and turn on the radio when he watched the cowboys games my dad would do this if the commentary was pro-the other team because it pisses him off real bad
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Nov 14, 2014 00:18
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:my dad would do this if the commentary was pro-the other team because it pisses him off real bad to be fair i dont think anyone enjoys watching or listening to a game with the opposing team's media broadcast. that's why you usually get a pick when you do online streams of games of which feed to watch home/away.
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Nov 14, 2014 00:22
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PuTTY riot posted:before nipplegate my dad would mute the tv and turn on the radio when he watched the cowboys games same but packers games, turn on WTMJ 620 AM i think it was?
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Nov 14, 2014 00:22
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rotor posted:you know I had the exact same issues with media in the 80s as I do now and nobody was pirating movies then so this line of reasoning sucks poo poo, imho theres no reasoning
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Nov 14, 2014 00:54
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hey man pagancow won an emmy for a golfclub commercial so please stick to disparaging his field instead of his career ok
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Nov 14, 2014 02:10
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the entire advertising industry, which drives all media, is built on elaborate lies that everyone knows are lies but that no one can acknowledge because the lie makes it all work. like as soon as someone that people listen to starts to grapple with the incredibly hosed up math of tv ratings, all the networks are hosed, every one of them. it's like that thing back in the 80s where they started looking at actual sales to find out what the top 40 hits were instead of just asking record store owners for ther opinions were and omg it turns out rap and country are HUGE except this is about several orders of magnitude more money
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Nov 14, 2014 02:17
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I think a general awareness of the bullshit of capitalism and critical thinking regarding things too ushered on by the Internet has independently changed the landscape but you can't avoid the effect of volume advertising. I mean when I see an ad for KFC all it does it flick that brain clit I've got associated with the first taste of it and I want KFC and it has little to do with the specific product KFC are advertising I just want fried chicken godfamn it and this works I know on me because seeing some KFC rubbish on the ground has this effect I am a worthless consumer someone wake me up when we can pirate food
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Nov 14, 2014 02:44
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I have a structured settlement and I need cash now!
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Nov 14, 2014 02:48
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echinopsis posted:I think a general awareness of the bullshit of capitalism and critical thinking regarding things too ushered on by the Internet has independently changed the landscape KFC advertising works on me too, it makes me want to go to Popeye's PuTTY riot posted:I have a structured settlement and I need cash now! no job? dead-end job? looking to turn your career around? call 1 (800) 588-2300 empire today and apply it directly to the forehead. no C.O.D.s
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Nov 14, 2014 02:53
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almost all of the ads i see look like this:
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pagancow posted:Dont worry, the market has spoken. in 5-10 years there will be no ad interuptions during shows and they will just be 10 minute product placement "shows"
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