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Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Jamus posted:

I've complained to lecturers before about this and always get the 'In the industry you don't always get to choose who you work with' response as if I'm mad I don't get to work with my besties or something.

This is such utter loving bullshit it makes me angry. The thing with the actual real word is that when you go out and get a job, the company you work for is going to hire people with the same drive and work ethic as you. So you'll work with a bunch of complete strangers, sure, but they'll know that the work is important and will devote real time to getting it done well.

Academics would know this, if they had the balls to come down from their ivory towers once in a while. It's funny because there's a real divide in the degree I did (geology at Monash) between lecturers who work with industry, and lecturers that don't. The ones that work with industry on things have a much different idea on how the actual real world works. One of my undergrad lecturers put a new part in a question that he set us for an assignment, it was originally "How did this form" and then he emailed everyone two days before it was due with "Also guys I want you to put how it formed into the context of the regional tectonic environment". I called him on it, because there wasn't a lot of time, and he said "well when you've got a real job, you'll be expected to put all sorts of detail into your reports that isn't explicitly called for". Which surprise surprise, now that I have a real job he couldn't do in his wildest dreams, is exactly how it doesn't loving work.

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asio
Nov 29, 2008

"Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood
Brisbane cbd: very heavy police presence. Everything is behind a barricade or barrier of some description. Soothing romantic era music on the mall clashes with the Christmas display outside Myers. Casino is still open. Brisbane is empty, showing itself as a bloated country town. Police have special g20 cop caps. Hungry jacks still open too. Delegates playing tourist already have the sad Queensland eyes seeing the emptiness.

This whole thing is a waste. Go have your meeting where it won't matter. It's a useless display of military style population control. Shutting down the whole city for something that doesn't affect us. Queensland is too isolationist to be able to get away with this without making it a joke.

To top it off, the old guy in the wheelchair who sings along to country ballads outside MacArthur is belting it out at 8 in the morning. Later, I'm off to join the secessionist movement.

Edit: wheelchair crooner got moved on. He has low vision so he accidentally ran into the cops on his way out.

asio fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Nov 14, 2014

Kegslayer
Jul 23, 2007

Smegmatron posted:

FYI Sydney Uni conducts a review of any course (or maybe just any coursework postgrad course) with more than a 5% failure rate to find out why people are failing it.

Not wanting to deal with the bullshit of that review is usually enough to keep the failure rates below 5%.

P.S Unis don't just accept any international student. They have to go through an IELTS exam and get something around a 7.5-8 depending on the uni. Most of those international students could tell you more about English grammar than any local student.

IELTS doesn't really test your ability to communicate in dynamic situations though, so yeah, that's kind of a problem. It's really more of a test of perseverance and the ability survive the war of attrition between your wallet and the testing centres.

I'm not sure if it's the same for other faculties but for commerce/law subjects, we use to remark papers of people that had failed and see if we could get them over the line with a PC. I've known Professors and lecturers that would straight up add marks to students if they came to see them and explained why they needed the marks (eg if they were in their last semester and they needed to graduate).

With international students, it really is up to whether the individual student wants to work as it is with any other student. When I was at uni and there were courses with group work, there would also be a component where you could rate how the other members of your group contributed which would affect the final mark for the assignment.

Memento posted:

This is such utter loving bullshit it makes me angry. The thing with the actual real word is that when you go out and get a job, the company you work for is going to hire people with the same drive and work ethic as you. So you'll work with a bunch of complete strangers, sure, but they'll know that the work is important and will devote real time to getting it done well.

Academics would know this, if they had the balls to come down from their ivory towers once in a while. It's funny because there's a real divide in the degree I did (geology at Monash) between lecturers who work with industry, and lecturers that don't. The ones that work with industry on things have a much different idea on how the actual real world works. One of my undergrad lecturers put a new part in a question that he set us for an assignment, it was originally "How did this form" and then he emailed everyone two days before it was due with "Also guys I want you to put how it formed into the context of the regional tectonic environment". I called him on it, because there wasn't a lot of time, and he said "well when you've got a real job, you'll be expected to put all sorts of detail into your reports that isn't explicitly called for". Which surprise surprise, now that I have a real job he couldn't do in his wildest dreams, is exactly how it doesn't loving work.

Are you working full time now?

I'd hate to break it to you but this is exactly how it loving works. A company isn't going to be some omniscient entity dedicated to maximum efficiency, people slack off all the time and in large companies, there are going to be people who do sweet gently caress all and still not get fired or moved because they can play politics better or they've been there for way too long. It's all about working smarter, not harder.

Also details do change all the time and it's really not uncommon for managers to add more work to a time sensitive project or to expect you to have done more than what was required. Learning how to manage expectations and delegate work down or back up is a pretty important role in any job.

This is even more obvious at the manager/executive level or with project based jobs where as long as you've got a good team working for you who can meet all their targets, you really don't even have to show up to work except to make sure that everyone else does. Welcome to management 101!

Avshalom
Feb 14, 2012

by Lowtax
They should have held G20 in Newy imo, shown off Australia's most bustling metropolis.

Those On My Left
Jun 25, 2010

loving hell, High Court.

Smegmatron
Apr 23, 2003

I hate to advocate emptyquoting or shitposting to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
They had it in Sydney once and very intelligently put it out at Olympic Park which could be closed off without anybody noticing, and let all of the very important people move between the airport and the site in helicopters so that nobody had to plan their daily commute around police escorts.

Then George W Bush wanted to see Oprah's House so we closed down all of Sydney for a weekend.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Kegslayer posted:

Are you working full time now?

I'd hate to break it to you but this is exactly how it loving works. A company isn't going to be some omniscient entity dedicated to maximum efficiency, people slack off all the time and in large companies, there are going to be people who do sweet gently caress all and still not get fired or moved because they can play politics better or they've been there for way too long. It's all about working smarter, not harder.

Also details do change all the time and it's really not uncommon for managers to add more work to a time sensitive project or to expect you to have done more than what was required. Learning how to manage expectations and delegate work down or back up is a pretty important role in any job.

This is even more obvious at the manager/executive level or with project based jobs where as long as you've got a good team working for you who can meet all their targets, you really don't even have to show up to work except to make sure that everyone else does. Welcome to management 101!

Yes, I'm working full time. Took today off for the WoW expansion release, shoot me :P

I'm an exploration geologist. If I'm writing a report on the formation of something, I have a strict brief on writing it in such a way as to talk about its formation in a mineral field context and the economic feasibility of its exploration and exploitation. I work for a company that, at odds with the majority of the industry, has a centralised exploration team. We're all there because we're good at what we do and we're also a small team, so there really isn't room for slackers. When you have 22 people with the occasional contractor taking care of seven or eight exploration projects on the go at once, if anyone drops the ball it's really noticeable. And we have very strict lines of reporting up and very strict lines of delegation down - someone from project generation can't just come in and tell us to help them with something of their's without going up through exco and back down again.

Maybe it's just that I'm lucky. Geology is a collaborative science, so everyone has to be able to work well with each other. We spend at least a few hours a week standing around the map table telling each other why we're wrong about something we're looking at or showing off our latest results. Our projects also have strict boundaries, as the result of various technical and legislative constraints.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

SeekOtherCandidate posted:

i didn't realise you only sold pizza's but apparently you also sell FASCISM
I'm sorry, but someone has to be open for business on Team Australia, m8. :australia:

I heard that there was going to be no welcome to country ceremony for the G20 but apparently there is one as part of the 'Cultural' celebrations. Anyone know more?

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Well there's certainly a welcome to David Cameron Country:

Tony loving Abbott via Guardian Australia posted:

As we look around this glorious city, as we see the extraordinary development, it’s hard to think that back in 1788 it was nothing but bush, and that the marines and the convicts and the sailors that straggled off those 12 ships just a few hundred yards from where we are now must have thought they had come almost to the Moon.

Everything would have been so strange. Everything would have seemed so extraordinarily basic and raw, and now a city which is one of the most spectacular cities on our globe, and in a country which is as free, as fair and as prosperous as any, a country which is in so many ways the envy of the Earth. So, it’s great to be here with you, David, and I hope, as you pay your first visit to Sydney, and you think of what your countrymen did 200-odd years back, you do feel a measure of pride and satisfaction at what has been achieved here in that time.

Look, it’s terrific to be talking about infrastructure.

Cameron is due to address the Parliament at 11.10am.

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not one mention of the moon people :(

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009


:itwaspoo:

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

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Glencore to shut all Australian coal mines for 3 weeks as commodity prices fall
Mining giant which employs 8600 people announces shut down due to oversupply of coal

theguardian.com, Friday 14 November 2014 10.11 AEST

Mining giant Glencore will shut down its Australian coal operations for three weeks due to an oversupply of the commodity.

The three week shut down will be carried out across all of Glencore’s Australian coal operations in December.

Glencore said the move was driven by the current oversupply of coal, which has hurt prices of the commodity.

Glencore owns 13 coal mines across NSW and Queensland, which produced more than 80 million tonnes of thermal and coking coal last year and employed around 8,600 people.

The shutdown will see the company’s coal production cut by around five million tonnes.

“This is a considered management decision given the current oversupply situation and reduces the need to push incremental sales into an already weak pricing environment,” Glencore said in a statement.

But the company said it was confident demand for coal would grow and the oversupply would be addressed over the medium term.

“We remain confident in demand growth for our products and believe that the supply and demand balance will be restored in the medium term,” it said.

Mad Katter
Aug 23, 2010

STOP THE BATS


http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/halal-conspiracy-theorists-bullying-australian-businesses/story-fnii5yv4-1227120430453

The actual article isn't as terrible as you would expect

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Yeah I was surprised by the article actually.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Palmersaurus posted:

Glencore to shut all Australian coal mines for 3 weeks as commodity prices fall
Mining giant which employs 8600 people announces shut down due to oversupply of coal

theguardian.com, Friday 14 November 2014 10.11 AEST

Mining giant Glencore will shut down its Australian coal operations for three weeks due to an oversupply of the commodity.

The three week shut down will be carried out across all of Glencore’s Australian coal operations in December.

Glencore said the move was driven by the current oversupply of coal, which has hurt prices of the commodity.

Glencore owns 13 coal mines across NSW and Queensland, which produced more than 80 million tonnes of thermal and coking coal last year and employed around 8,600 people.

The shutdown will see the company’s coal production cut by around five million tonnes.

“This is a considered management decision given the current oversupply situation and reduces the need to push incremental sales into an already weak pricing environment,” Glencore said in a statement.

But the company said it was confident demand for coal would grow and the oversupply would be addressed over the medium term.

“We remain confident in demand growth for our products and believe that the supply and demand balance will be restored in the medium term,” it said.

IT'S HAPPENING

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012

But coal is the future?

Brown Paper Bag
Nov 3, 2012


I find it bizarre Fleurieu caved into the threats. It didn't make any business sense, and it was naive for them to think caving in would do anything but amplify this bullshit.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
So what do you do if it's 10:00 and your employer stares at you intently and tells you to write that you signed off at 9:45 despite it being 10:00? Basically robbing me of an hours pay while watching me write it over my shoulder.

Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008

Anidav posted:

So what do you do if it's 10:00 and your employer stares at you intently and tells you to write that you signed off at 9:45 despite it being 10:00? Basically robbing me of an hours pay while watching me write it over my shoulder.

No hablo ingles

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Hahahahhaa

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-g20/g20-police-struck-down-with-gastroenteritis-20141114-11mjn2.html


It's like, only twelve cops at this stage but they did a serious 'breaking news' bit on TV, interrupting the current news for this important update that twelve cops have gastro.

:itwaspoo:

Mad Katter
Aug 23, 2010

STOP THE BATS

Matthew Beet posted:

Hahahahhaa

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-g20/g20-police-struck-down-with-gastroenteritis-20141114-11mjn2.html


It's like, only twelve cops at this stage but they did a serious 'breaking news' bit on TV, interrupting the current news for this important update that twelve cops have gastro.

:itwaspoo:

Maybe it was terrorists that gave them gastro.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Mad Katter posted:

Maybe it was terrorists that gave them gastro.

Suicide bombers with Gastro?

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

Anidav posted:

So what do you do if it's 10:00 and your employer stares at you intently and tells you to write that you signed off at 9:45 despite it being 10:00? Basically robbing me of an hours pay while watching me write it over my shoulder.

Talk to your union.

Inge
Jan 16, 2007
SERIOUSLY THATS DISGUSTING I'M TRYING TO EAT
"Do you think there is evidence".

Last time I checked evidence was based on some sort of fact or tangible thing, not the thoughts of 2000-something islamophobes

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Matthew Beet posted:

Hahahahhaa

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-g20/g20-police-struck-down-with-gastroenteritis-20141114-11mjn2.html


It's like, only twelve cops at this stage but they did a serious 'breaking news' bit on TV, interrupting the current news for this important update that twelve cops have gastro.

:itwaspoo:

Sanitising the gently caress out of myself right now.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die




David Cameron: proving that Tony Abbott isn't always the dumbest motherfucker in the room at any given time.

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Anidav posted:

So what do you do if it's 10:00 and your employer stares at you intently and tells you to write that you signed off at 9:45 despite it being 10:00? Basically robbing me of an hours pay while watching me write it over my shoulder.

Wait, you only get paid in blocks of an hour?!?!? *sproiiiiiiiiiiiiiingngngngngngngngng*

epipen
Aug 11, 2014

nyoom

Palmersaurus posted:

Glencore to shut all Australian coal mines for 3 weeks as commodity prices fall
Mining giant which employs 8600 people announces shut down due to oversupply of coal

theguardian.com, Friday 14 November 2014 10.11 AEST

Mining giant Glencore will shut down its Australian coal operations for three weeks due to an oversupply of the commodity.

The three week shut down will be carried out across all of Glencore’s Australian coal operations in December.

Glencore said the move was driven by the current oversupply of coal, which has hurt prices of the commodity.

Glencore owns 13 coal mines across NSW and Queensland, which produced more than 80 million tonnes of thermal and coking coal last year and employed around 8,600 people.

The shutdown will see the company’s coal production cut by around five million tonnes.

“This is a considered management decision given the current oversupply situation and reduces the need to push incremental sales into an already weak pricing environment,” Glencore said in a statement.

But the company said it was confident demand for coal would grow and the oversupply would be addressed over the medium term.

“We remain confident in demand growth for our products and believe that the supply and demand balance will be restored in the medium term,” it said.

are they going to be paying their workers for those three weeks?

Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008
British PM David Cameron shows more respect to traditional owners than the prime minister for indigenous affairs, who in showing Cameron around Sydney said "it's hard to think that back in 1788 this was just bush".

Terra Nullius alive and well.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Good to know Tones can keep up the pace at the G20 "World's Stupidest Human Rights Criminal" championships.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Obama put in the hard yards with his drone programme to kill Palestinian school kids, but he's just too likable a human being to take away this year's title.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

MC Eating Disorder posted:

Wait, you only get paid in blocks of an hour?!?!? *sproiiiiiiiiiiiiiingngngngngngngngng*

No, robbing me of the whole hour.

Adnar
Jul 11, 2002

Is today a real public Holiday in Brisbane? Like are we banned from outbound calling?

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

CAW CAW CAW

Dinosaur Gum

ewe2 posted:

Well there's certainly a welcome to David Cameron Country:


Cameron is due to address the Parliament at 11.10am.

Oh my god


OH MY GOD

Anidav posted:

So what do you do if it's 10:00 and your employer stares at you intently and tells you to write that you signed off at 9:45 despite it being 10:00? Basically robbing me of an hours pay while watching me write it over my shoulder.

Anidav you seriously need to find whichever gypsy woman you insulted and apologise to her and get rid of this terrible employer curse.

Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008

Anidav posted:

No, robbing me of the whole hour.

How does that work? You sign off at 9:45 and get paid an hour less than if you signed off at 10?

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Pretty sure you contact your union and have them send someone to legally kick him in the balls repeatedly.

Or, if your union is the SDA, you write down 9:00 and then prostrate yourself in front of him, begging him to let you keep your job in exchange for hourly blowjobs.

i got banned
Sep 24, 2010

lol abbottwon
You sign off at 10 and look at the clock and say "if I lie about this I guess I should also lie about not stealing money from you cunts as well"

Then go ahead and steal the money you are owed.

At the place I work at I get paid in 15 minute blocks essentially, if I sign off at 9:45 I would get paid up until 9:45.

i got banned fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Nov 14, 2014

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

Anidav posted:

No, robbing me of the whole hour.

Anidav.

Leave Queensland.

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Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

adamantium|wang posted:

Anidav.

Leave Queensland.

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