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more friedman units posted:Costco's mission was definitely accomplished. The kicker is that after they sold off their licenses, and considering now the distributor tax is automatically lowering, the state will significantly less revenue than before AND almost certainly liquor prices (outside of maybe Costco_ will continue to be higher. Watching Costco convince Washingtonian voter into voting against their own interests was sickening to watch (they dumped 20 million into it). There was an attempt in Oregon by them to put it on the ballot in Oregon in 2014 but they may have to wait until 2018 to try again. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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CondoInternet (owned by Wave Cable) is bringing gigabit fiber to the Eastlake district of Seattle. $80 / month with no data caps. They're starting there and planning to expand to other Seattle districts as well. This, combined with other streaming programs probably means I could get rid of Comcast once and for all.
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seiferguy posted:CondoInternet (owned by Wave Cable) is bringing gigabit fiber to the Eastlake district of Seattle. $80 / month with no data caps. They're starting there and planning to expand to other Seattle districts as well. 80 a month? gently caress that. Can we get google out here anytime soon? I'll never go Comcast as long as I have another option but yeesh.
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Junkyard Poodle posted:On a similar but different note; Yeah, pretty scandalous to see how she managed to use company money to pay for her house on queen anne.
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So how about this Arctic Fart weather? My morning commute was actually better today than average.
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Reason posted:Its really cold in Oly, but holy poo poo it was windy and cold down in Vancouver today. I was freezing my balls off and there were trees and limbs down all over the place. Good night sweet prince. Any of you at Evergreen State College?
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Ardennes posted:There was an attempt in Oregon by them to put it on the ballot in Oregon in 2014 but they may have to wait until 2018 to try again. It's going to be hilarious to see the incredibly bitter shitheads on the Oregonian's comment section argue that "well, so what if Washington gets less tax revenue and still pays higher prices for liquor? the GOV'T still doesn't have any place here! and maybe people... people shouldn't even be buying liquor anyway! GOD gently caress EVERYONE I HATE LITERALLY EVERYTHING"
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's going to be hilarious to see the incredibly bitter shitheads on the Oregonian's comment section argue that "well, so what if Washington gets less tax revenue and still pays higher prices for liquor? the GOV'T still doesn't have any place here! and maybe people... people shouldn't even be buying liquor anyway! GOD gently caress EVERYONE I HATE LITERALLY EVERYTHING" The Oregonian comment section is really something to behold, well the comment sections of all Oregon media I guess but obviously the Oregonian is still the king. I guess they must be the guys who keep the Oregonian going? Man they are pissed off though, it is their life's work.
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Ardennes posted:The Oregonian comment section is really something to behold, well the comment sections of all Oregon media I guess but obviously the Oregonian is still the king. I guess they must be the guys who keep the Oregonian going? I would submit the Seattle Times' comment section as candidate for "the king". It's either full of a number of elaborate, fully committed trolls, or it's full of the biggest stereotypes this side of a Dave Chappelle sketch.
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smg77 posted:Kill the rich, redistribute their wealth. Seconded.
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While we're agitating for impossible things, someone ban driving on ocean beaches in Washington.
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krispykremessuck posted:While we're agitating for impossible things, someone ban driving on ocean beaches in Washington. Does Oregon still classify those as roads?
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Lazy_Liberal posted:Seconded. Thirded.
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Error 404 posted:Thirded.
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Javid posted:Turn bill gates upside down and shake him and fund public schools with what falls out. But what if he leaves 
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Javid posted:Turn bill gates upside down and shake him and fund public schools with what falls out. But but that money is earmarked for charter school experimentation!
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computer parts posted:Does Oregon still classify those as roads? My understanding is that all ocean beaches fall under the authority of the federal entity that also does highways for some reason from a zillion years ago that no one cares about. I can't find anything on the internets about it though so I might have just made that up. I like driving on some beaches, I've actually taken cars into the surf once or twice, weeeeeeeee!
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Reason posted:My understanding is that all ocean beaches fall under the authority of the federal entity that also does highways for some reason from a zillion years ago that no one cares about. I can't find anything on the internets about it though so I might have just made that up. I like driving on some beaches, I've actually taken cars into the surf once or twice, weeeeeeeee! There's a mix of jurisdictions, but ocean beaches would ultimately fall under federal oversight as a national border, whereas highways are nominally state entities (think of the armtwisting that the fed had to go through to get states to agree to 55 MPH speed limits). Most highways and all interstates, however, are covered by the commerce clause and largely funded via the Federal Highway Administration in spite of that. As far as I know, the FHA has no direct involvement with ocean beaches. Kaal fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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Kaal posted:There's a mix of jurisdictions, but ocean beaches would ultimately fall under federal oversight as a national border, whereas highways are nominally state entities (think of the armtwisting that the fed had to go through to get states to agree to 55 MPH speed limits). Most highways and all interstates, however, are covered by the commerce clause and largely funded via the Federal Highway Administration. Thomas Jefferson proposed giving coastal states a 3 mile buffer own owned rights. This was enacted by Congress in the 1953 Submerged Lands Act, stipulating that states had rights over sea and seabed extending from the mean low water mark out to 3nm before the federal government took over jurisdiction out to a further 9mi from the mean low water mark, for a total 12nm of territorial waters. Federal management starts at 12nm from the coastline and extends out to territorial waters and further out to the exclusive economic zone (200nm) where foreign flagged vessels, in air, on and under sea may not be prohibited from transiting.  May be able to further clarify this. ORS 390.605 governs public use lands and ORS 390.770 defines the landward limit of public use as the vegetation line.
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http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/spincontrol/2014/nov/12/handing-guns-anti-594-rally-wont-prompt-arrests/quote:OLYMPIA – Gun rights activists plan to bring their firearms to the Capitol next month in an effort engage in civil disobedience by violating the new background check law that they despise.
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So apparently you'll be able to hand your gun to your buddy when you're shooting at a gravel pit without having G-men spring out of the bushes to arrest you. Who the gently caress would have guessed? 
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oxbrain posted:http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/spincontrol/2014/nov/12/handing-guns-anti-594-rally-wont-prompt-arrests/ Ahaha, that's hilarious. They're making a big public point of how badly they misunderstand the word "transfer".
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SeaborneClink posted:Not sure I completely buy that, since beaches down to the waterline in California can be private whereas Oregon state law prohibits the privatization of beaches believing they're to be held in public trust and no one can own them. There's mixed jurisdictions, but it's still ultimately subject to federal oversight as a border. In the same way that Washington has jurisdiction over the areas that border with Canada, but its ultimately subject to federal oversight as well. That jurisdiction would, for example, provide Congress with the legal basis for constructing a border fence, or to conduct immigration and smuggling patrols*, regardless of the consent of the State of Washington. That graphic is informative, but it's explaining the limits of Oregon's jurisdiction, not the reverse. And as for Oregon, specifically, beaches can be privatized (though the state owns most of it and isn't selling) but public access is mandated. So an individual can own the beach and develop it (i.e. building a dock) but they can't prevent anyone from accessing that beach. *Such as those conducted between Canada and the US during the Prohibition Kaal fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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Ditocoaf posted:Ahaha, that's hilarious. They're making a big public point of how badly they misunderstand the word "transfer". And missing the point that they could use a letter-writing campaign to have that small section of the law amended by lawmakers, if that's their biggest hangup on the issue.
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Some people in Washington County are so upset that the government is planning to put a hiking/bicycle trail http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/238665-104485-more-creek-trail-changes-ready-for-viewing posted:Teufel-Hyneman said she sent Robbins petition signatures of a dozen property owners who oppose the trail and have formed an informal group they call Responsible Access Planning Environment (RAPE). Robbins said he received about 20 trail comments altogether.
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Baronjutter posted:Why would anyone oppose such a thing? The standard position is that hikers and cyclists will leave trash everywhere, steal things, and generally be "ruffians". Realistically it's 50% "Prevent any challenge to rural land use control" and 50% "Hikers = Liberals". If people start hiking trails, they might start objecting to farmers hosing down their lands with pesticides, or treating a field as a junk heap and then burning it, or driving around in their farm machinery at odd hours after a couple of stiff ones. And ultimately those hikers might bring unwelcome attention from government authorities. All to help people hug some trees. Not worth the risk for that kind of sociopathic mentality. Kaal fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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BraveUlysses posted:And missing the point that they could use a letter-writing campaign to have that small section of the law amended by lawmakers, if that's their biggest hangup on the issue. A mob of armed semi-literates storming the capitol might even spook the legislature into hostility toward gun owners
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Accretionist posted:A mob of armed semi-literates storming the capitol might even spook the legislature into hostility toward gun owners Doubt it, there were far more protests that were much bigger than this one in the post-newtown meltdown
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anthonypants posted:Some people in Washington County are so upset that the government is planning to put a hiking/bicycle trail "Why yes, I am opposed to rape. What do you mean 'not that kind of rape?' There's a rape group?! That's horrifying!" Seriously, why not "Group for Responsible Environment Planning (GREP)"? It'd be some nice Orwellian bullshit coming from a largely anti-environmentalist demographic. But, no, at least one person thought it was a great idea to name their organization after a violent crime. (God, I hope there's an anti-Mothers Against Drunk Driving group with MURDER as an acronym. Please let this be a trend.)
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Javid posted:They could tack "group" on the beginning and be GRAPE. I don't know, I might just call it group RAPE.
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Javid posted:They could tack "group" on the beginning and be GRAPE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6QIYxLs5TU
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SeaborneClink posted:Not sure I completely buy that, since beaches down to the waterline in California can be private whereas Oregon state law prohibits the privatization of beaches believing they're to be held in public trust and no one can own them. The official ODOT maps have a little bar on the side that indicates where you can and cannot drive on the beach, if that helps.
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Javid posted:They could tack "group" on the beginning and be GRAPE. The Grapist: http://youtu.be/9Yt0b_QBP_A
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I can only assume that everyone else is as frozen and depressed as I am. It's supposed to warm up some in the near future, at least here in Oregon.
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Other than the cold it has been great. Lots of sun and no rain or precipitation at all. I could live with a winter like this.
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mod sassinator posted:Other than the cold it has been great. Lots of sun and no rain or precipitation at all. I could live with a winter like this.
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Despite being the original poster of the Pacific Northwest thread, I actually live in Montana. (But I do live in the Pacific NW part). Its really cold here. It has been nine days since the temperature got above freezing. It was supposed to get into the 40s today, but it didn't. Of course, a long winter for us means that we won't get slammed next fire season. Hopefully.
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