Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Dubstep Jesus
Jun 27, 2012

by exmarx
Question:

Back in April I lost my old job, mostly because my responsibilities as an office assistant were being made redundant and they ran out of projects for me to work on. Recently they called me back to come back to do some IT projects, it'll be temporary but it should last a few months at least. My old position there was my first job that I landed shortly after starting college and I haven't had one since being let go, so it's the only employment I have on my resume. How should I update my resume to reflect being rehired under a new position?

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

walruscat
Apr 27, 2013

I got a connection request (which I accepted) from a recruiter who works for a firm I really want to work for and who has previously posted jobs similar to what I'm interested in, but he has not sent me a message. Would it be improper to message him and tell him I would be very interested in applying for any suitable openings he has? Just to be clear he requested a connection early yesterday.

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

Xeom posted:

After being flown out for an interview, and then being asked for references, today I get a call. The lady leaves an extremely ominous message saying she would like to have a "follow up conversation" about the interview. I kinda feel like I am about to be rejected. I've called twice and left a message, but I am getting no response.

How many times a day should I call? Should I just try again tomorrow?

EDIT:

HOLY poo poo I GOT THE loving JOB OFFER WHAT!?!?!?!?!?! AM I ABOUT TO BE A loving ENGINEER HOLY CRAP!

Congrats guy! I've been following your story from a few months back. I was pretty much in the same boat, and I started my new job as of this Monday.

Remember, only celebrate on the first big paycheck.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.
Re: job postings disappearing, where I work each position is listed for exactly two weeks then it's pulled and then they start interviews. If they don't find anyone then they re-post it.

PlacidPanic
Dec 8, 2006

by Ralp
I'm a third year engineering student at a big state school, and earlier this year I interviewed for and got into a large internship co-op program. In January I'm going to be interviewing a second time, this time with a large number of company representatives, to get placed into a specific company for my first internship.

I had nearly perfect grades up until now, but this term I don't think my grades are going to be great. I anticipate being asked about this, and I want to have a good answer for why this is so. One reason is just that the workload and difficulty jumped up, which I expected. I'm also leading a team working on a robot for a competition through a club at school, and it's the first year we'll be making this type of robot so it's a big challenge and takes a lot of time.

I also want to mention the work I do at home for extra money, but the thing is... the work I do is helping my girlfriend make porn to sell on reddit. This is actually a significant amount of work, we make decent money at it, and I feel like it's been a good experience of learning a little about marketing, video editing and business. We've been told that having a job outside of school is looked upon very favorably by company reps, and that we should definitely mention it even when the work isn't related to our majors. I'm just really not sure if bringing up porn is going to go over well in a job interview setting with engineering companies.

I've considered just saying that "I run a small business from home with a partner" and leaving it vague, but I anticipate being asked about the details. I also thought about maybe saying something like "I produce and sell videos online with a partner", but again I'm not sure if leaving it as ambiguous as that is going to work. Or would it be okay to be honest if I just say something like "I produce and sell adult videos online with a partner"?

I'm really unsure about this and any input would be appreciated.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
Yeah, don't mention porn.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

PlacidPanic posted:

I'm a third year engineering student at a big state school, and earlier this year I interviewed for and got into a large internship co-op program. In January I'm going to be interviewing a second time, this time with a large number of company representatives, to get placed into a specific company for my first internship.

I had nearly perfect grades up until now, but this term I don't think my grades are going to be great. I anticipate being asked about this, and I want to have a good answer for why this is so. One reason is just that the workload and difficulty jumped up, which I expected. I'm also leading a team working on a robot for a competition through a club at school, and it's the first year we'll be making this type of robot so it's a big challenge and takes a lot of time.

I also want to mention the work I do at home for extra money, but the thing is... the work I do is helping my girlfriend make porn to sell on reddit. This is actually a significant amount of work, we make decent money at it, and I feel like it's been a good experience of learning a little about marketing, video editing and business. We've been told that having a job outside of school is looked upon very favorably by company reps, and that we should definitely mention it even when the work isn't related to our majors. I'm just really not sure if bringing up porn is going to go over well in a job interview setting with engineering companies.

I've considered just saying that "I run a small business from home with a partner" and leaving it vague, but I anticipate being asked about the details. I also thought about maybe saying something like "I produce and sell videos online with a partner", but again I'm not sure if leaving it as ambiguous as that is going to work. Or would it be okay to be honest if I just say something like "I produce and sell adult videos online with a partner"?

I'm really unsure about this and any input would be appreciated.
Just so I'm getting this right... Your grades tanked because you're working a side job making porn with your girlfriend, when you're not even supposed to have an outside job in the first place?

Yeah, don't mention that. Also, maybe study more instead of making porn, unless you want a career in porn.

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
Just say you're into photography as that is my sense of what helping a girlfriend make porn is.

PlacidPanic
Dec 8, 2006

by Ralp

Dik Hz posted:

Just so I'm getting this right... Your grades tanked because you're working a side job making porn with your girlfriend, when you're not even supposed to have an outside job in the first place?

PlacidPanic posted:

We've been told that having a job outside of school is looked upon very favorably by company reps, and that we should definitely mention it even when the work isn't related to our majors.

It's been a busy term for me, and one of the things keeping me busy makes money, so it would be nice if I could mention that.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Sorry, misread that as unfavorably.

Ofaloaf
Feb 15, 2013

I'm updating my generic template resume to include my candidacy in the recent elections. Should I merely note how many votes I won, or explicitly state that I lost the election? Will party affiliation matter to anyone outside of specific political jobs?

Should I include a candidacy in the first place? I didn't win and I didn't earn any wages out of it, but that was months of door-to-door canvassing, coordinating with volunteers and dealing with the local press. That ought to be a good thing, right?

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
I think party affiliation could burn your rear end if you come up against a libertarian fucktard dad, which is statistically most likely to happen. The exception is if you yourself are one too. In which case, wanna make out?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
There's a fair amount of chances that it's going to play against you. At the same time, they can find out about it in five seconds on google so... Might as well throw it on there. I mean, you expected this when you put your name on the ballot, anyway.

Personally my concern would be to convince employers that you're not going to gently caress off and run again next November, but I don't know how that's perceived where you live.

ShadowedFlames
Dec 26, 2009

Shoot this guy in the face.

Fallen Rib
I'm currently employed by a branch of my State's Department of Transportation, in a hybrid secretary/stockroom buyer position.

I'm looking to move a state north of me, but where I'll be moving to would be a three-hour drive (115 miles) from my current job. I would try to get a similar position with the new state's government, but their civil service jobs like mine are restricted to residents of the state only (which eliminates that avenue for now). The private sector has netted only two interviews out of 70+ applications filed to date.

So which is the lesser/more successful of two evils: telling the truth and keeping my current address on my resume and applications, or putting my fiance's address on them and then having to explain that I'm still living a state away but that the address listed is where I'm planning to move to as soon as a job offer comes my way? (Note that simply leaving my present job without one lined up is not a feasible option, for financial reasons.)

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
I hesitate to tell you to lie on a state application since there may be legal definitions of residency (like x months in the state) and possibly ramifications for lying.

ShadowedFlames
Dec 26, 2009

Shoot this guy in the face.

Fallen Rib

Xandu posted:

I hesitate to tell you to lie on a state application since there may be legal definitions of residency (like x months in the state) and possibly ramifications for lying.

I should have clarified, apologies. Meant for apps and resumes in the private sector.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
Oh, then go for it. They don't need to know where you actually live.

Nessa
Dec 15, 2008

Howdy thread. I've been applying to jobs through indeed and some other websites, and have so far only gotten one email asking about my price line. I've mostly been applying to junior graphic designer jobs or similar. I've applied for a few office clerk/administration jobs, but most of them want experience in an office environment as well as experience with software I've never used or a diploma.

It's been really frustrating and I'm hating myself for not having found something yet. I feel like I've been putting a lot of work into my cover letters and into crafting my resume based on the job. I've also been working on some new portfolio pieces, since I was recommended to purge all of my college work from my portfolio, but my husband feels that I'm just doing the bare minimum and not "chasing down jobs" like I should. What more can I do to get out there?

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Nessa posted:

Howdy thread. I've been applying to jobs through indeed and some other websites, and have so far only gotten one email asking about my price line. I've mostly been applying to junior graphic designer jobs or similar. I've applied for a few office clerk/administration jobs, but most of them want experience in an office environment as well as experience with software I've never used or a diploma.

It's been really frustrating and I'm hating myself for not having found something yet. I feel like I've been putting a lot of work into my cover letters and into crafting my resume based on the job. I've also been working on some new portfolio pieces, since I was recommended to purge all of my college work from my portfolio, but my husband feels that I'm just doing the bare minimum and not "chasing down jobs" like I should. What more can I do to get out there?
Network. The majority of jobs out there are filled through referrals and connections, not open postings.

That being said, open postings can work. But it's a numbers game. Apply to anything and everything relevant and see what sticks. Post up your resume/portfolio/cover letter here and someone will give you and honest critique.

im gay
Jul 20, 2013

by Lowtax
I had an interview last Thursday on the 6th and I think it went well. The following Monday (10th) the manager contacted my three professional references. It's been over a week later since the interview, should I call?

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
Absolutely. What do you have to lose?

im gay
Jul 20, 2013

by Lowtax

Burqa King posted:

Absolutely. What do you have to lose?

I'm just afraid of coming off as aggressive. They are hiring a dozen people and I was one of the candidates. Would an email be more sufficient? edit: It's for a state clerical position.

im gay fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Nov 14, 2014

Breath Ray
Nov 19, 2010
No. Rung them up and get it sorted before the weekend and let us know how you get on. Good luck!

electricHyena
Sep 12, 2005

oh no not again
Is it ever appropriate to email HR directly and ask about status?

I am currently a temp and applied for the permanent version of my current position (this was over 2 months ago). My manager (and others) told me that they would be extending me the offer but are waiting on HR. I had my background check last week -- on the website it said 5-7 days, but I can pull up the profile and see that it was completed in 2. That was last Friday and I still haven't heard anything. I am so frustrated by this.

Is there anything I can do or do I just have to suck it up and (keep) waiting? In the meantime I'm getting a little resentful because I've basically been doing the work of the permanent position (it has more responsibilities/workload than the temp "version") for over a month now. Is it possible they're waiting until after Thanksgiving so that they wouldn't have to pay me the holidays? Is that a thing that they do?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Boot and Rally
Apr 21, 2006

8===D
Nap Ghost

electricHyena posted:

Is it ever appropriate to email HR directly and ask about status?

I am currently a temp and applied for the permanent version of my current position (this was over 2 months ago). My manager (and others) told me that they would be extending me the offer but are waiting on HR. I had my background check last week -- on the website it said 5-7 days, but I can pull up the profile and see that it was completed in 2. That was last Friday and I still haven't heard anything. I am so frustrated by this.

Is there anything I can do or do I just have to suck it up and (keep) waiting? In the meantime I'm getting a little resentful because I've basically been doing the work of the permanent position (it has more responsibilities/workload than the temp "version") for over a month now. Is it possible they're waiting until after Thanksgiving so that they wouldn't have to pay me the holidays? Is that a thing that they do?

Any advice would be appreciated.

When was the last time you spoke/heard from them? If it has been over a week it isn't out of line to "check up" on the status. If I understand you correctly they told you it would be 5-7 business days and it has been 7-9. I keep it short and I try to avoid anything that implies they aren't moving fast enough for my tastes:

Hello HR,

I am following up on my application for position X. Has the background check been completed? Are there other materials I should send in?

Sincerely,
Some Guy Who Wants To Be Promoted

The point is you want to help them, not imply/accuse them of loving up or create work by emailing a novel. The worst that has happened when I attempt this is I get ignored. Eh, it seemed like I was already being ignored.

asur
Dec 28, 2012
Who is your contact for the position? If you've been talking to HR, then there's no problem following up, but you don't want to cut out your manager unless they've said its ok.

electricHyena
Sep 12, 2005

oh no not again
Thanks guys. I will give it until Monday and send a note. My direct manager has apologized twice to me out of the blue for them taking so long. My last contact with someone in HR was an email last week telling me that I would be getting an email from the background check company. That's the only contact I've had. The timeline info I got was just from the website.

DelightFun
Dec 31, 2008
In my post-graduation job search, I applied for a lot of things that I wasn't entirely qualified for, which is fine because it's what's expected. The problem is that I decided to apply for a job that had "must own a vehicle" in the description when I don't own a vehicle. I actually fit their other requirements well.

I was thinking I would either never hear back from them, or that by the time I did I'd have a car or the money for a car. I heard back from them today (Friday) and they want me to schedule an interview Tuesday or Wednesday, which on its own seems like really short notice, but that's beside the point. The point is I'm not sure if I could acquire a car by the time the job would start, since the start date isn't specified, but I probably won't have the money to get one til i have the job. Am I wasting their time going in when I don't fulfill that requirement yet? Is it impossible to tell without asking (probably, yes?) If I do ask, would it be more appropriate to ask that prior to the interview via email, or to bring it up when I get there?

I feel like an rear end, I really didn't expect to even get far enough to have this problem.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
Is it the kind of job where you could get by for a little while without a car or not so much?

DelightFun
Dec 31, 2008
One element of it would potentially involve transporting clients, so I really would need to have a vehicle for that aspect of it.

EDIT: It's one line out of twenty in the job posting, for what it's worth. I have no idea how big a part of the job it is.

DelightFun fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Nov 15, 2014

Pegged Lamb
Nov 5, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!
I'm engaged in a "ok it's time for a career..or something, anything at all as long as its elsewhere than where I am" job search and I have a very modest resume but I need to make the most out of it that I can. Could I email anyone here a copy for advice?

timp
Sep 19, 2007

Everything is in my control
Lipstick Apathy

Pegged Lamb posted:

I'm engaged in a "ok it's time for a career..or something, anything at all as long as its elsewhere than where I am" job search and I have a very modest resume but I need to make the most out of it that I can. Could I email anyone here a copy for advice?

Edit out your personal info and post it in this thread. That's what people usually do here. Just remember that even if people sound harsh when critiquing it's nothing personal, they're just trying to help...and this is SA after all.

Problem!
Jan 1, 2007

I am the queen of France.

DelightFun posted:

One element of it would potentially involve transporting clients, so I really would need to have a vehicle for that aspect of it.

EDIT: It's one line out of twenty in the job posting, for what it's worth. I have no idea how big a part of the job it is.

They're probably not going to send you out on your own the first few weeks of the job so that'll give you a bit of a buffer. Could you rent a car for a day or two here and there when clients need transporting in the meantime?

Personally I don't think it'd be a deal breaker but it might be the deciding factor between you and someone else if you otherwise have the same qualifications.

I think it'd only be a huge deal if you had a disability that prevented you from driving or had lost your license or something.

seacat
Dec 9, 2006

DelightFun posted:

One element of it would potentially involve transporting clients, so I really would need to have a vehicle for that aspect of it.

EDIT: It's one line out of twenty in the job posting, for what it's worth. I have no idea how big a part of the job it is.


I don't think it's too a big a deal. I definitely sympathize, was in the same situation after graduating and outside of urban areas like NY, bay area, etc, public transport in the US just doesn't cut it for commuting to work.

A lot of times "must have a vehicle" means they've had problems with people getting there reliably on time but in this case it may actually be a part of the job. Keep in mind job postings can be hilariously inaccurate sometimes, you wouldn't believe how little attention hr or even hiring managers pay to them ("no that was from 3 years ago and we don't have the eqpt anymore" "yeah i just copied and pasted that from another posting, whoops") etc.

Just go to the interview anyway. If the position is good you can always rent a car temporarily once you get your feet on the ground.

One thing you definitely have to know is if the position is right about client contact you will generally be expected to have a reasonably decent appearing vehicle and you have to keep it clean. Not saying you need a shiny new benz or something but typically no more than 5 years old. This means higher insurance costs too for obvious reasons, so just make sure to factor that into your own salary negotiations if you get to that point. My car is a 15 year old Chevy coupe that looks like it's been driven through a war zone but I keep it cause it's reliable as hell, insurance is cheap, and I don't have a car payment, but I wouldn't drive around a customer in it. Its stupid but appearances really matter in US corporate culture.

Pegged Lamb
Nov 5, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

timp posted:

Edit out your personal info and post it in this thread. That's what people usually do here. Just remember that even if people sound harsh when critiquing it's nothing personal, they're just trying to help...and this is SA after all.

no laughing. smiling is ok https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2tOT0LVZsyddtCjFAJMFpkD8Qc8vy2qKTKUCHowMvY/edit?usp=sharing

Walh Hara
May 11, 2012

Pegged Lamb posted:

no laughing. smiling is ok https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K2tOT0LVZsyddtCjFAJMFpkD8Qc8vy2qKTKUCHowMvY/edit?usp=sharing

Did you just copy/paste the contents or is that how your cv really looks like? Because as it is like that it's ugly and unappealing. Some examples of cv layouts I think are good: https://www.google.com/search?q=latex+moderncv+example&tbm=isch

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

On a covering letter, how should I handle a career change when I'm basically at the start of my career? I've been working at an IT provider for about 6 months, joined them not long after I graduated. Now that I'm applying to jobs that are a)something I want to do, and b)actually relevant to my degree, I'm not sure how I should describe why I'm jumping ship so early without appearing inconsistent and flighty.

Is something like "though I have enjoyed my time at IT McServices, this is not an industry I see myself remainaing in long term" followed by bigging-up the soft skills appropriate?

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.
Focus on your degree, your IT work can be treated like general office experience.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I am presently employed and have been since, well, forever. Same company since the early 90s. I don't hate my job but I am open to a change.

An opportunity came up for a job at a post secondary institution. It really interests me and I think I will be a good fit. The basics of the job are definitely in my wheelhouse. I know some people that work at this institution and it seems like a good place to work. One of my friends is an instructor there. He actually taught me a professional ethics course last year for a degree I am working on and told me to use him as a reference.

The application process from their website asked for a cover letter, resume and references all at once, which I submitted. I received both an email AND a phone message from the internal HR person late Friday asking me to come in for an interview this week. The wording of the email and voice mail sounds like they are willing to go out of their way to accommodate me for a different time if it doesn't work, which I am assuming because they can see I am presently employed. I am also sensing they really want to interview me, but that could also just be my ego. Either way, I am going to make their proposed time work.

I haven't been formally interviewed in years, like, 20+ so I am a little nervous. I am doing some interview question prep though and making notes about my resume in case they ask specifics.

The questions I have are this:

My typical work attire is business casual, think dark or kahki dockers and a button up shirt which I think would also be reasonable for this job. Would that be adequate for an interview or should I go home and put on a suit & tie? I am leaning towards the later.

The posting gave a salary range for the job. I would definitely be taking a pay cut at the low end, but the mid-high end of the range is something I can live with. I don't expect it to get that far at this stage, but I want to be prepared in case it does. How should I address that? Just like that? I am presently making $xxxxx with significant benefits (company vehicle for one) and not interested in a pay cut? I am not desperate to leave my current job.

Any other tips for an interview for a non-instructional position at a post secondary institution?

slidebite fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Nov 16, 2014

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

asur
Dec 28, 2012
Unless specifically stated you should be dressing above the norm for the job when going to an interview so I'd highly recommend going with the suit and tie. I would avoid any mention of your previous salary unless you need to anchor the discussion at it. As always mentioned try to avoid being the first to give a number, and it generally strengthens your argument if you can state what makes you worth more. Having someone working there can be helpful for this as they can probably find out what the job actually entails compared to the postings which generally have a ton of requirements tossed on them that are irrelevant.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply