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Phayray posted:I just looked to see if I could find some recent info on how that's going and now I really regret seeing Kirk Sorensen's twitter. quote:Kirk Sorensen @kirksorensen · Aug 21 what an insufferable turd
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Obama Wind Farms? Hadn't heard of that firm before.
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Radbot posted:Why should I, as an American, give a poo poo about raising the Global Poor's wages when mine are decreasing? Because the deregulation of Western labour rights, exploitation of the natural environment and alienation of the global poor are all manifestations of the same problem: a sophisticated and concerted war being conducted against all of us on behalf of a transnational class of political and economic elites.
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Myotis posted:Because the deregulation of Western labour rights, exploitation of the natural environment and alienation of the global poor are all manifestations of the same problem: a sophisticated and concerted war being conducted against all of us on behalf of a transnational class of political and economic elites. OK, so there's nothing we can do about it then. Got it. I mean, there are ridiculous hurdles that Americans must jump through to influence their own country, what possible effect could we ever have on transnational elites?
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Oct 15, 2014 21:43
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Phayray posted:I just looked to see if I could find some recent info on how that's going and now I really regret seeing Kirk Sorensen's twitter. Goddamn, you weren't kidding. Twitter is truly the grand platform of morons to out themselves as huge idiots.
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Oct 16, 2014 02:30
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Man, I'm to the point now that I see something prefaced with 'Obama' and I know it's going to be conservative shitheelery. Turns out I'm pretty much always right. Thanks Obama! Reading the majority of this thread has been one of the most depressing things ever. I mean, holy christ. Things are so, so bad and backed by solid science showing just how and why they're so, so bad and yet people like Arkane actually exist and are out there doing whatever they can to stick everyone's head in the sand. And the thing is, people are listening. So when the 2014 hurricane season is far less dramatic in the Atlantic than in past years people go 'heh global warming' despite that very unpredictability being a symptom of the problem. Or hellish cold snaps 'heh global warming am i rite guys' despite changing weather patterns creating the opportunity for those conditions to arise more often. The worst part of it all is people will still be going 'heh global warming what a joke rite boys' when they're sitting in the middle of a desert in Kansas as Florida gets hit by the third Cat. 5 hurricane in a month and towns in Alberta and Saskatchewan rebuild after yet another swath of tornadoes. Because that's what the Deniers told them to say as Big Oil and Coal keep right on chugging on.
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Oct 16, 2014 03:13
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Radbot posted:Obama Wind Farms? Hadn't heard of that firm before. Leave it to these goddamn animals to disabuse people of the notion that they've found the worst filth the anti-science movement has to offer.
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Oct 16, 2014 07:31
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The UN IPCC wants you to know that we're all still completely screwed.quote:“Continued emission of greenhouse gases will cause further warming and long-lasting changes in all components of the climate system, increasing the likelihood of severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems,” the report found. On a related note, I found this article interesting as well. It links to a National Wildlife Fund report about the psychological effects of climate change. Those aren't looking so great either.
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Inglonias posted:On a related note, I found this article interesting as well. It links to a National Wildlife Fund report about the psychological effects of climate change. Those aren't looking so great either. Cool article, thanks. Turns out climate scientists are people too. Having reactions not unlike people have been in this thread periodically since the op. quote:“I don’t know of a single scientist that’s not having an emotional reaction to what is being lost,” Parmesan is quoted saying in the National Wildlife Federation’s 2012 report, “The Psychological Effects of Global Warming on the United States: And Why the U.S. Mental Health Care System is Not Adequately Prepared.” “It’s gotten to be so depressing that I’m not sure I’m going to go back to this particular site again,” she says, referring to an ocean reef she has studied since 2002, “because I just know I’m going to see more and more of it dead, and bleached, and covered with brown algae.” SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Nov 3, 2014 10:29
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So, when do the deniers start blaming climate scientists for not warning us hard enough?
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Nov 3, 2014 21:24
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Rhjamiz posted:So, when do the deniers start blaming climate scientists for not warning us hard enough? Funny you say that, deniers are focusing on a different part of that report: 'Alarmist' green groups made 'exaggerated' claims about global warming, UN climate change scientist says posted:Prof Myles Allen criticises 'unhelpful' alarmism by some NGOs as UN report says science is clear that drastic action is now needed to tackle climate change
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Nov 3, 2014 21:29
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Oh those alarmist hippies and their dire warnings about mass die-offs and widespread desertification! They turned everyone off because they were a total buzzkill and now we can't do anything about the mass die-offs and widespread desertification because they were such downers back then 
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Nov 4, 2014 04:10
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No comments about the new agreement between China and America?
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Nov 14, 2014 21:19
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Necc0 posted:No comments about the new agreement between China and America? I don't buy what China is saying, their coal usage is still increasing, and they still have coal plants scheduled for construction, as well as coal gassification plants. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:23
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What I'm troubled by is that saying 'our emissions will peak in 2030' can mean there's a whole lot of pollution still in the pipeline. I wouldn't even call it a victory like it's being hailed as in the press.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:34
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Arkane posted:[China's] position on emissions reductions with regards to any sort of UN treaty is that they want to be able to continue the unfettered increase of emissions until 2025 or 2030, after which point they will agree to a freeze of some kind. India is in general agreement with China, iirc. No clue on Brazil, probably the same as India and China. My first post in this thread...2025/2030 was their starting point in negotiations at Copenhagen, and other countries balked. So Obama didn't get any victory at all in this agreement; this was always China's position. It's also not a binding document in any way, merely a statement of intentions that neither country is beholden to.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:52
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Necc0 posted:What I'm troubled by is that saying 'our emissions will peak in 2030' can mean there's a whole lot of pollution still in the pipeline. I wouldn't even call it a victory like it's being hailed as in the press. Pretty much. They are making bold claims without any need to rush into backing them.
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Arkane would be cool if the world looked like China.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:44
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Seems like this deal won't be any less effective than Kyoto.
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Trabisnikof posted:Seems like this deal won't be any less effective than Kyoto. Is  that the Kyoto treaty has been wholly ineffective?
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Hedera Helix posted:Is Pretty much. We don't have a mechanism for "binding" international agreements.
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Thought I would revive the topic, as climate change is my number one personal boogeyman in life. Current status is that diplomats are upbeat about the meeting next month in Lima. That's the only good news. At this point we've also locked ourselves into 1.5C of warming at least. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/01/world/climate-talks.html Here are some choice  quotes for those who are interested in that sort of thing:quote:Recent reports show that there may be no way to prevent the planet’s temperature from rising, given the current level of greenhouse gases already in the atmosphere and the projected rate of emissions expected to continue before any new deal is carried out. quote:“What’s already baked in are substantial changes to ecosystems, large-scale transformations,” Mr. Oppenheimer said. He cited losses of coral reef systems and ice sheets, and lowering crop yields. quote:The idea is for each country to cut emissions at a level that it can realistically achieve, but in keeping with domestic political and economic constraints. World leaders would sign a deal in Paris next year committing all those nations to their cuts, including a provision that the nations regularly reconvene to further reduce their emissions. Oh, and to make things worse, here in the U.S, midterms are likely to destroy any chance of us ratifying a globally binding climate change treaty and even if it somehow doesn't, the GOP is going to continue to do everything in its power to drive the EPA off a cliff. Fun stuff ahead. Happy holidays everybody! Inglonias fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Nov 30, 2014 |
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Nov 30, 2014 22:30
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So what's the projected temperature anomaly by 2050?
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Peaking emissions at 2024 and then cutting to half of 2014 levels by 2050 doesn't sound like an impossible goal. Increasing instability may even reduce emissions, just like the crash of 2008 did temporarily. Even +3.6 degrees will be pretty unpleasant though.
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A Bag of Milk posted:Peaking emissions at 2024 and then cutting to half of 2014 levels by 2050 doesn't sound like an impossible goal. Increasing instability may even reduce emissions, just like the crash of 2008 did temporarily. Even +3.6 degrees will be pretty unpleasant though. The big problem we're running into is that we're just running damage control at this point. This rock is going to get hotter and that is not good for us. We're at the turning point where we can decide how hot that is but it's going to take sacrifices and long-term planning, neither of which sound good to billionaires that only care about profits this quarter. You're also dealing with unholy alliance of business moguls that care only about how many dollars they own and evangelicals that believe the Earth becoming uninhabitable to humans is literally impossible because Jesus. Then you get people that just don't care because gently caress it, whatever, I won't be alive to see 2050 so it doesn't matter. :buys SUV, drives across country:
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The thing that makes me the most mad is people that point to "OH IT WAS SNOWING IN NOVEMBER IN THIS PLACE THAT IT USUALLY DOESN'T SNOW IN NOVEMBER" to disprove Global Warming. There is nothing I can say to convince those people.
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I'm pretty sure that 3.6 degrees means death for hundreds of millions of people though e: You think it might be possible to achieve a stable orbital civilization by the middle of the century? Because beyond that, I can't imagine technologically advanced nations having the capacity to do that. lollontee fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Friendly Tumour posted:I'm pretty sure that 3.6 degrees means death for hundreds of millions of people though They mean 3.6 degrees F, not 3.6 C (Since they're American and most of their audience uses the Fahrenheit scale). There's a large difference. 2 C is bad, but not "Hundreds of millions are dead" bad. ... ...Right?
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GreyPowerVan posted:The thing that makes me the most mad is people that point to "OH IT WAS SNOWING IN NOVEMBER IN THIS PLACE THAT IT USUALLY DOESN'T SNOW IN NOVEMBER" to disprove Global Warming. Take a look at How to Argue with Assholes  Also while the author of the video is a science journalist, not an expert, he conveys information reasonably well and he sources his stuff so his videos are worth a look if you want to know more about arguments for or against climate change (and creationism). Climate change seriesBates fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Friendly Tumour posted:I'm pretty sure that 3.6 degrees means death for hundreds of millions of people though For certain values of the words "stable" and "civilization", maaaayyybe. drat sure worth the try, though, for many reasons including but not limited to climate change.
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Anosmoman posted:Take a look at How to Argue with Assholes
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Guys, don't worry [insert complex and easily abusable financial scheme to lower carbon emissions here] will save us by harnessing the tremendous power of the market.
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Unsurprisingly, we are so very screwedquote:Over the past 21 years, researchers found glaciers in the Amundsen Sea Embayment lost an average of 83 gigatons per year (91.5 billion U.S. tons). By comparison, Mt. Everest weighs about 161 gigatons, meaning the Antarctic glaciers lost an amount of water weight equivalent to Mt. Everest every two years over the last 21 years.  The article tries to conflate sea ice increases near the end, though - ugh. "HEY there's more ice melting from land into the water. HEY there's more ice in the water now. SEEMS OKAY TO ME" Also, climate change is the bane of the Tea Party, I guess. quote:"My thinking is that if you don’t like a solution, you’re going to reject that the problem exists, and in this case, that means finding reasons not to trust the scientists on the topic." At least we can shout them down as 2014 is shaping up to be the hottest recorded year quote:The first ten months of 2014 (January–October) were the warmest such period since record keeping began in 1880, with a combined global land and ocean average surface temperature 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.4°F), surpassing the previous record set in 1998 and tied in 2010 by 0.02°C (0.04°F). 2014 is currently on track to be the warmest year on record.  The Earth is loving trolling Americans, I swear. Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Evil_Greven posted:The Earth is loving trolling Americans, I swear. And, by extension, everyone else. In Europe we're on track for another warmest year ever but the one place that could do the most (or at least, is the most responsible) is unusually cold. Anyone know how the oil price crash is affecting consumption? I don't know enough about the price elasticities involved to figure the effect on emissions.
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Weirdly enough I'm in a place that is colder than usual but it was pretty drat hot. I wonder why America is colder than average, though.
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GreyPowerVan posted:Weirdly enough I'm in a place that is colder than usual but it was pretty drat hot. Jet stream loving up due to melting arctic? Last winter was warm as hell in scandinavia
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GreyPowerVan posted:Weirdly enough I'm in a place that is colder than usual but it was pretty drat hot. Proof that God exists and is an rear end in a top hat?
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GreyPowerVan posted:Weirdly enough I'm in a place that is colder than usual but it was pretty drat hot. Jet stream is going farther south.
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Inglonias posted:On a related note, I found this article interesting as well. It links to a National Wildlife Fund report about the psychological effects of climate change. Those aren't looking so great either. The comments are really great on that piece. 90+% of the votes are going to denialists. Murka.
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Madmarker posted:Proof that God exists and is an rear end in a top hat? Eh, its colder in places where its normally warm, and warm where its normally cold. God is a troll.
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