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It's like they're voluntarily trying to force themselves to live in a lovely blocked off part of the world. I bet Putin is scared shitless of the internet and what people can do with it. Next thing you know they're going to make their own Youtube
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Andropov Schlavich's Russopedia
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Nov 14, 2014 20:56
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Another good article on Russian Troll Farms: http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-the-kremlins-growing-army-of-internet-trolls/
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Nov 14, 2014 20:57
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Sergiu64 posted:Another good article on Russian Troll Farms: http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-the-kremlins-growing-army-of-internet-trolls/ Luckily it seems like Russia plans their own version of the internet, blocked off from the rest of the world, so in a way Russia already preemtively working at dismantling their army of internet trolls.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:05
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Urgent news guys! Putin guilty! We have clear photo from satellite!  I was wrong! I'm so sorry! Please, you could take back Crimea, Donbass and Moscow! And also Pavlick Timozfeevitch Morozov!
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Nov 14, 2014 21:30
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McDowell posted:Andropov Schlavich's Russopedia  I can't wait.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:33
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TeodorMorozov posted:Urgent news guys! I don't even know any more.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:35
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TeodorMorozov posted:Urgent news guys! 1. Zooming in doesn't enhance resolution. 2. Black and white to color? 3. How did the satellite capture Putin at that angle unless it was crashing? 4. Are we to believe Putin is lighter than a coconut?
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Nov 14, 2014 21:37
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chitoryu12 posted:I don't even know any more. An early start on the "Big Gay Putin" photosshop, with the effort you'd expect of an average Russian product: cobbled together, barely working, with no polish.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:37
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So apparently that photo of the fighter shooting down the airliner is from a video game, lol http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/th...dium=socialflow quote:This image, which appeared on the Russian TV Station '1TV News' website supposedly shows a Ukrainian SU-27 firing (they mistakenly call it a MiG-29) on MH17 as it flies over eastern Ukraine. The image is totally bogus and is an embarrassment to Russia's quasi-state run media.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:45
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Actually, the background does appear to be based on real satellite images: from Google and Yandex maps.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:04
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The map appears to be a composite of various satellite maps, including this imagery from Yandex maps This is from Google Earth historical imagery on 28/08/2012  I'm guessing the clouds are used to hide the joins.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:04
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Turns out they used the first Google image research for "боинг вид сверху" (Boeing top view) for the fake MH17, and did a photoshop. There's an overlay here that shows how they match.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:17
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Brown Moses posted:Turns out they used the first Google image research for "боинг вид сверху" (Boeing top view) for the fake MH17, and did a photoshop. There's an overlay here that shows how they match. Also first Yandex hit for that (which Russians are more likely to be using than Google).
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Nov 14, 2014 22:20
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Gravel Gravy posted:1. Zooming in doesn't enhance resolution. You are putin's slave! Brainwashed with russian propaganda! Shame to you!
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Nov 14, 2014 22:24
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Brown Moses posted:Turns out they used the first Google image research for "боинг вид сверху" (Boeing top view) for the fake MH17, and did a photoshop. There's an overlay here that shows how they match. Your twitter mentions the "Russian Union of Engineers" dude the story quoted. Navalny's blog did a bit of digging on him: https://navalny.com/p/3946/ ...And, well, the dude does have an advanced degree.... in Economics. And the entire outfit seems to have zero connection with any engineering.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:45
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Brown Moses posted:The map appears to be a composite of various satellite maps, including this imagery from Yandex maps Two year old satellite image and the fighter is on the wrong side of the airliner. Nice try, Russian media.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:46
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I'm kinda curious what happens to the dudes who gently caress that up so bad.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:47
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drilldo squirt posted:I'm kinda curious what happens to the dudes who gently caress that up so bad. Pretty sure it doesn't matter, it wasn't made to convince anyone, just to muddy the waters.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:52
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drilldo squirt posted:I'm kinda curious what happens to the dudes who gently caress that up so bad. They keep making lovely propaganda.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:53
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drilldo squirt posted:I'm kinda curious what happens to the dudes who gently caress that up so bad. When hippos poop they helicopter their tails to fling it as far and wide as they can. Basically the same thing.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:58
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Two year old satellite image and the fighter is on the wrong side of the airliner. Nice try, Russian media. To be totally fair, firing a missile you can hit the other side. Most missiles act by shrapnel/blast not by direct attack, and to have a missile detonate on the other side of the target is possible though not probable, especially if you're at a markedly different altitude or there's a last-minute motion by the aircraft. I'd say that the photoshop is proved enough without getting into the chaotic area of explosions.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:01
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To be totally fair its fake propaganda intended to deflect blame for the murder of 298 innocents.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:12
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Fojar38 posted:To be totally fair its fake propaganda intended to deflect blame for the murder of 298 innocents. So when attacking it as fake propaganda, only attack the things that definitely show it's fake, not the things that are improbable but possible, especially when there's so many things about it obviously wrong.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:20
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Obdicut posted:To be totally fair, firing a missile you can hit the other side. Most missiles act by shrapnel/blast not by direct attack, and to have a missile detonate on the other side of the target is possible though not probable, especially if you're at a markedly different altitude or there's a last-minute motion by the aircraft. I'd say that the photoshop is proved enough without getting into the chaotic area of explosions. I'm pretty sure the spin Russia is/was trying to pull was that the plane was shot down via cannon fire anyway, not missiles.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:28
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They're doing the over saturate with information defense. Spit so many alternative theories out that people that don't care too much will go: 'Ah, who knows what happened?'
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Nov 14, 2014 23:31
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See 50 new replies in thread. Surprisingly, not disappointed. We've already met the Russian Union of Engineers (they were in Mamontov's movie), but I haven't posted their MH17 document before: http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MH17_Report_Russian_Union_of_Engineers140818.pdf (in English)
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Nov 14, 2014 23:38
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Just did a post on Bellingcat about the bullshit satellite photos, you can read it here.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:47
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I still think some intern mis-typed Su-27 as Su-25 at some point due to a mistake, ignorance, carelessness, maliciousness or trolling, and then they had to roll with it since.
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"Globalresearch," cited by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, publishing the likes of Israel Shamir.
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https://medium.com/@Hromadske/a-guide-to-warlords-of-the-ukraine-separatist-republics-2be78dfc7a5e Who's who of russian puppets.
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It's fascinating that in this era of bountiful, immediate information, a major nation can blatantly invade another nation with regular ground forces and maintain a sense of at least locally effective deniability. Similarly, a puppet rebel group can shoot down a plane, brag on social media about shooting down a plane, and then say "no we didn't shoot down the plane" and simultaneously "the plane was already full of corpses" and it also works locally. The trick seems to be not so much hiding things, as just flood utter bullshit to an audience that wants to hear something confirming their side is good and the other side is bad. Global warming isn't real because Al Gore is fat and Russia is not invading Ukraine because NATO bad. Once the motivation to believe the obvious bullshit is there, one can avoid the cover up entirely and just go straight to ever more hilarious denials, and the people hungering to hear those denials will happily believe it.
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Brown Moses posted:Just did a post on Bellingcat about the bullshit satellite photos, you can read it here. You and the others are doing a drat fine job, keep it up! This kind of poo poo is just sad, I don't even understand how anyone could ever believe such a badly photoshopped picture, it's just silly.
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More and more people believe that the mainstream media are lying and that only media, which agree with their worldview are to be trusted. I hear that from people on the left and the right. This is really dangerous.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:More and more people believe that the mainstream media are lying and that only media, which agree with their worldview are to be trusted. I hear that from people on the left and the right. This is really dangerous.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:More and more people believe that the mainstream media are lying and that only media, which agree with their worldview are to be trusted. I hear that from people on the left and the right. This is really dangerous. I'm not entirely sure this is a phenomenon which is getting worse. Imagining people weren't just as lovely in their adherence to their worldview in the past is probably some "myth of the golden age" variant.
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Jarmak posted:I'm not entirely sure this is a phenomenon which is getting worse. Back when most cities had multiple newspapers, the difference wasn't the news content. People subscribed to papers based on their editorial slant.
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Deteriorata posted:Back when most cities had multiple newspapers, the difference wasn't the news content. People subscribed to papers based on their editorial slant. Some countries' news sources are still run like that. See England, with the Grauniad, the Torygraph, the Absurder, the Daily Sexpress, and the various right-wing tabloids like the "Gotcha" Sun, The Daily Moron, and "what kind of society lets the Daily Mail be published EVERY DAY?"
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Brown Moses posted:Just did a post on Bellingcat about the bullshit satellite photos, you can read it here. Stop shilling your lovely blog, please.
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I disagree with the points raised, see more at my blog admin edit: for anyone dumb enough to not see the url, it's a link to porn, so uh  i guess.
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