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jrodefeld posted:This tactic is quite desperate Caros. We could have a thoughtful and productive discussion on a variety of important issues but you don't need to poison the well by hurling epithets. It indeed is hard to continue to take the high road, when you are desperate to prove that libertarianism is the ideology of white supremacists and racists. Also misogynists! Let's not forget the misogynists. jrod has been driven mad by discussion of racism and misogyny in his favorite authors and now has decided to descend into self-parody.
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jrodefeld posted:This tactic is quite desperate Caros. We could have a thoughtful and productive discussion on a variety of important issues but you don't need to poison the well by hurling epithets. It indeed is hard to continue to take the high road, when you are desperate to prove that libertarianism is the ideology of white supremacists and racists. George loving Reisman posted:Colleges and universities in the United States have demonstrated such utter philosophical corruption in connection with this subject, that if there were a group of students who could be found willing to assert with pride their descent from the Vandals or Huns and to demand courses on the cultural contribution of their ancestors, the schools would provide such courses. All that the students would have to do to get their way is to act the part of their ancestors and threaten to burn down the campus. Jesus loving Christ JRod, I have no more patience for you. You are either willfully ignorant or a full-on apologist, but either way, you provide nothing of value to society and your opinions should be actively subverted.
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CommieGIR posted:Therein lies the problem: His ancillary thoughts directly influence his economic work and 'logical' deductive philosophies. I don't accept that is being valid. There is a reason that there are socially conservative libertarians and socially liberal libertarians who agree on nearly all matters of actual policy. Accepting the non-aggression principle and the free market has nothing to do with what our other social beliefs may be. It only implies that we have concluded that aggression is immoral. I consider myself much more socially liberal that someone like Hoppe or even Ron Paul. But I like them because they would never advocate using violence against me. I could live my life around people who share my values while religious and social conservatives could life their life and live in communities of like minded individuals. But we would both agree that neither of us will use force and aggression against the other.
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 This man knows whats up. Allowing the market to be flooded with completely untested drugs will save so many lives! Edit: Everything about his Twitter is gold. Hell his first post is how the return of Child Labour will solve youth crime. Fans fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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Holy poo poo I used to dislike libertarians for having their heads up their asses but this thread and especially the last few pages have shown me just how toxic their ideology really is.
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Nov 14, 2014 22:52
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jrodefeld posted:It is funny that most of his argument is very similar to the "elitist" leftist who argues for the objective superiority of the scientific method, of atheism, of acceptance of climate change over the stupid and primitive superstitions of primitive cultures. Ahaha, of loving course you're a climate change denier. I should have known. archangelwar posted:Jesus loving Christ JRod, I have no more patience for you. You are either willfully ignorant or a full-on apologist, but either way, you provide nothing of value to society and your opinions should be actively subverted. Just for the record, jrod, unironically calling a group of people "savages" is absolutely, 100% racist, nearly on the same level as throwing around racial epithets.
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Lol jrod you don't get to claim the high road when you are constantly implying that Caros is irrational, desperate, intellectually dishonest, and all those other pejoratives that could more accurately be attributed to yourself.
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Cnidaria posted:Holy poo poo I used to dislike libertarians for having their heads up their asses but this thread and especially the last few pages have shown me just how toxic their ideology really is. It is unironically a cancer upon society and its prophets should be removed from the public at large by force.
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jrodefeld posted:You have discredited yourself, Caros. Just when I thought we were getting along and having a reasonable intellectual discussion, you go off on this tangent about how everyone who is a libertarian is a "racist", but attacking George Reisman is a bridge too far. Oh no! A bridge too far!? Are you going to leave then? Because that isn't really all that much of a threat considering the fact you're arguing in offensively bad taste. And no, not every libertarian is a racist, just most of the ones you cite in this thread and a strong undercurrent in the libertarian party in the USA. Most, not all. quote:Do you even know who George Reisman is? He is one of the most brilliant living economists and historians. His book "Capitalism: An Economic Treatise" is one of the best and most comprehensive defenses of capitalism and the market economy that has ever been written. The man is incredibly accomplished and a studious intellectual. Yup, he is part of Ayn Rand's cult. You remember her don't you, you remember how you pointed out her creepy cult like environment and all the problems associated with it? Well guess what, he is a byproduct of that situation, and while he might have divorced himself from the movement proper he still describes himself as one and it shows through and through his work. That art thing actually makes even more sense now that I think about it, because one of Rand's hilarious quirks was that she thought you could objectively decide the quality of art, something which... well... humanity would tell you is so full of poo poo her eyes should be brown. quote:Yet you demean him by throwing around the pejorative "racist" to describe him. No rational person could read Reisman's quotes and writing and consider it racist. As he stated quite clearly, culture is an intellectual matter and open to everyone. If certain cultural values are more enlightened than others, everyone stands to benefit from their adoption. OH NOES! Guys, it turns out I must not be rational, because when I read something like this: "Among other things, it shows why the proposition “Columbus Discovered America” should be true for everyone." I happen to think that is a pretty racist statement. I mean it is objectively untrue for starters, and moreover it implies exactly what he is intending, that white culture is somehow objectively better than other cultures. Do you really not see how someone, anyone might see a white man insisting that western (white) culture is superior to all others, and that we should all ignore our savage heritage in favor of it? Do you really not see how that could be considered racist? Whupty loving do, its open to everyone. What if someone likes their old culture? What if someone happens to like chinese, or japanese, or russian, or native american culture better? How the gently caress do you make an objective judgement that your culture is the best? I mean, I know how he does it, because he is a follower of a deluded cult that believes that you can objectively prove everything. A=A whites culture is the best! quote:It is funny that most of his argument is very similar to the "elitist" leftist who argues for the objective superiority of the scientific method, of atheism, of acceptance of climate change over the stupid and primitive superstitions of primitive cultures. That isn't the argument he is making. The scientific method is not unique to loving white people. quote:Whether Reisman is correct that Western culture as he defines it is indeed superior to other cultures is up for debate. But it seems absurd to think that all cultural values are equal in value. If one culture believes in science, in intellectualism, in philosophy, the market economy, progress, peace and cooperation and other believes in superstition and religious fundamentalism, is it "racist" to say that the values expressed by the former are better than those expressed by the latter? Thank you! It is up for debate. As in, it is subjective, as in it is not objectively loving true. You disagree with Reisman on the thesis of his argument, do you realize that? As for the latter part of your argument? Yes, I'd argue it is. There is no such thing as an objectively best culture, and trying to put your own culture up on a pedestal above all other human achievement is a really hosed up thing to do. quote:This tactic is quite desperate Caros. We could have a thoughtful and productive discussion on a variety of important issues but you don't need to poison the well by hurling epithets. It indeed is hard to continue to take the high road, when you are desperate to prove that libertarianism is the ideology of white supremacists and racists. Over multiple threads you have made no attempt to actually change your opinion on anything. I want you to realize that. We could literally be back in the very first thread you were in and we could be having this exact same discussion, because you have no interest in actually taking anything away from this discussion. I came to this realization just the other day in fact, which is why I'm hurling a lot more profanity and just generally not giving you the benefit of the doubt. Seriously, the fact that you can try and tell me with a straight face that Stefan Molyneux is not a misogynist is really all I need to know about you. The only thing I'm desperate for is that I am desperately trying to crack your outer shell and maybe just this once make you realize that your idols are not perfect. But I won't.
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 Not Racist at allll Edit: Holy poo poo, he literally condones killing Civilians if "Aggressors" hide behind them otherwise they won't learn and if you kill a Civilian this way it's the "Aggressors" fault not yours. How the gently caress does anyone take this seriously? Fans fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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The best part of this complaint? The drug he is railing against was actually produced by a grant from the government of Canada. Its the government all the way down, the private market had nothing to do with it. Fans posted:
Hahahahahahaha! Well I suppose that is one way to do it. The big tent approach. All cultures who are not literal loving cave men are westerners. And western culture is the best culture. I will agree with that. gently caress Homo Neanderthal, he had his time.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:00
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George Reisman is one of the stupidest men of our age and a disgusting bigot unworthy of being spat on if he were on fire. The fact that you hold him in such high regard shows a gross lack of good morality on your own part, jrod.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:00
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Caros did you ever see the post where JRod reveals he's actually just a mises.org shill? It was a relatively short post of his so I feel like it'd be pretty easy to miss!
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Raskolnikov38 posted:It is unironically a cancer upon society and its prophets should be removed from the public at large by force. It is a cancer that is objectively worse than a torch wielding Klan member, as it is the cornerstone of the institutional racism, bigotry, and misogyny that infests the "objectively superior Western Culture™". It is easy for society to marginalize the KKK while people like this pervade the "cultural elite."
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paragon1 posted:Caros did you ever see the post where JRod reveals he's actually just a mises.org shill? It was a relatively short post of his so I feel like it'd be pretty easy to miss! Nope, got a link?
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Caros posted:Nope, got a link? poo poo I can't loving find it, maybe I imagined it? I'll keep looking. Edit: Here it is! jrodefeld posted:If I was seeking to cite some statistic or fact to back up a point I was making I could link to some non-political independent resource for such facts. paragon1 fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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I'm still tickled that Jrodefield has trumpeted the triumph of white/European culture and economics which has (supposedly) lifted up many (while claiming not to be racist too). Meanwhile, that same white/European culture has found its greatest tool to advance its economic, political, and cultural aims to be acts of aggression - sometimes the most violent and brutal acts of aggression in the history of the world. Can a guy be that dense? I don't actually believe he is a libertarian. He's like an environmentalist living in an urban area - not very serious about his beliefs or supposed values. (Paraphrasing his own words.)
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Nov 14, 2014 23:10
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Last one I promise. George Reisman solves the nature of the universe in eight tweets.  QED Take that science.
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Fans posted:Last one I promise. George Reisman solves the nature of the universe in eight tweets. Woot, now I have a new Objectivist.png to show people. Please feel free to keep mining his twitter for humor. Jrodefeld, what do you say to the fact that George Reisman just logically disproved the big bang?
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Fans posted:Last one I promise. George Reisman solves the nature of the universe in eight tweets. Alright jrod enough with you and band of loving retarded prophets, up against the wall with all of you
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Fans posted:Last one I promise. George Reisman solves the nature of the universe in eight tweets. Libertarian genius and, to quote Jrod, "one of the most brilliant living economists and historians": functionally indistinguishable from a burnout's  revelation.
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Fans posted:Last one I promise. George Reisman solves the nature of the universe in eight tweets. Holy poo poo. Is that for real? FrumpleOrz fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Nov 14, 2014 23:26
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Fans posted:Last one I promise. George Reisman solves the nature of the universe in eight tweets. I think this man might literally be retarded.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Libertarian genius and, to quote Jrod, "one of the most brilliant living economists and historians": functionally indistinguishable from a burnout's Who What Now posted:I think this man might literally be retarded. Raskolnikov38 posted:Alright jrod enough with you and band of loving retarded prophets, up against the wall with all of you
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jrodefeld posted:Do you even know who George Reisman is? He is one of the most brilliant living economists and historians. His book "Capitalism: An Economic Treatise" is one of the best and most comprehensive defenses of capitalism and the market economy that has ever been written. The man is incredibly accomplished and a studious intellectual. Did you copy/paste from someone, cause the specific wording and open dick-sucking of Reisman sounds like the vague endorsement that oft appears on book covers. Also, George Reisman is; a Randroid, a nobody outside the small, incestuous circle of Objectivists and Austrians, and a joke to the non-crazy economic mainstream.
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Who What Now posted:I think this man might literally be retarded. It really is astounding. I do wonder if Jrod is going to reply at all now that we've pointed out that he's not only certainly a racist, but also has a delusion in which he thinks he knows more than actual scientists. This is a fun one: quote:Labor Unions Are Anti-Labor TL;DR - Unions are bad. They upset the delicate balance of supply and demand and thus make everything cost more and decrease the value of real wages. Supposedly.
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It's weird how Liberarians claim to be Rational but also reject overwhelming Scientific Consensus on things like Climate Change, how do they square that away exactly? They do know what Rational means right? I mean this whole thing is kind of cultish, with its weird terms and focus on "Thinking Correctly" about things that don't make any loving sense. How do Libertarians explain things like the East India Companies Opium Wars, Robber Barons or the Mortgage Repackaging Scam that caused the 2007 crash? If Business is so good at self regulating why is it so uniquely awful when it's left to do what it likes? I mean no one can seriously defend Robber Barons right? http://mises.org/daily/2317 Whelp.
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FrumpleOrz posted:Holy poo poo. Is that for real? 100%. I couldn't make it up. He's also a Climate Change Denier of course.
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Fans posted:It's weird how Liberarians claim to be Rational but also reject overwhelming Scientific Consensus on things like Climate Change, how do they square that away exactly? They do know what Rational means right? Option 1: "Those things don't count because The State somehow made them happen." Option 2: "While those things look bad, they're actually good!"
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I have more!quote:The “Big Bang” theory and its associated estimate of the age of the universe are not empirical facts of any kind but strictly inferences from propositions that are themselves questionable. Namely, an estimate of the size of the universe and the claim that the universe is expanding and is so at some definite rate. Given a definite size and rate of expansion of the universe, it follows mathematically that at some point, allegedly 13.8 billion years ago, the universe was disappearingly small. quote:On February 26 and 27, I posted the following comments on the website https://www.regulations.gov. They concerned the proposed regulation IR-2013-92, which is described as "Guidance for Tax-Exempt Social Welfare Organizations on Candidate-Related Political Activities." Whew, I was worried that the IRS might actually be a terrorist organization. Also apparently everyone in the US is a coward frightened of the IRS. For anyone who is curious the rule he is railing against has to do with 501(c)4 groups. These are non-profit organizations that are not allowed to engage in political speech by law, and the rule is a clarification to help enforce said law. Also, total aside but I love that he only publishes on kindle, because I suspect any real publisher would laugh at his garbage. God his covers are so, so amateur.
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Caros posted:Also, total aside but I love that he only publishes on kindle, because I suspect any real publisher would laugh at his garbage. God his covers are so, so amateur. Wow you weren't kidding, this poo poo looks like something I could whip up in 5 minutes with Paint. e: quote:Capitalism: A Treatise on Economics Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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jrodefeld posted:
JRod I hope you understand just how utterly worthless your condemnation of anyone is. It's cool if you think these guys are the poo poo but you've been defending increasingly repulsive people for the past few pages, and doing so with such vigor that I don't know why you'd think being outraged that someone has a problem with yet another of your heroes would make us suddenly realize how horrible we really are. You've given up arguing Libertarianism from an economic, ethical/moral, logical, and really all other perspectives and now just dig in hard to fight the good fight against the PC police and libertards who believe in "global warming" and "the big bang theory" and all numbers of scientific hoaxes. Congratulations on finding your real passion in life, I guess.
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Now see here, I may be defending the honor of a man who is a Nazi in all but name, neo-Confederates who really want their state based around slavery back, and rampant misogynists who treat women as cattle slaves, but don't you hurt my precious George Reisman!
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And JRod, you are factually incorrect about the influence of George Reisman; he is a fringe ideologue and has absolutely no impact on modern economic consensus and is most certainly not a peer of the mainstream neoclassicals. You have your head so firmly lodged inside your rear end, you don't even know what prevailing economic thought is. At least I can admit that my particular view of economics is firmly among the heterodoxy.
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I'm thinking about posting a fairly long effort post on my reservations about the plausibility of anarchist or non state legal systems. (I'm an American attorney specializing in research.) But with Jrodefeld getting increasingly ridiculous I'm losing enthusiasm. Does anyone have any interest in reading such a thing?
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DEKH posted:I'm thinking about posting a fairly long effort post on my reservations about the plausibility of anarchist or non state legal systems. (I'm an American attorney specializing in research.) But with Jrodefeld getting increasingly ridiculous I'm losing enthusiasm. Does anyone have any interest in reading such a thing? That sounds interesting and I'm sure it would be appreciated.
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DEKH posted:I'm thinking about posting a fairly long effort post on my reservations about the plausibility of anarchist or non state legal systems. (I'm an American attorney specializing in research.) But with Jrodefeld getting increasingly ridiculous I'm losing enthusiasm. Does anyone have any interest in reading such a thing? I'd read the hell out of it, doubly so if it includes analysis of historical ones.
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George Reisman posted:And by that perspective, if an american indian were educated and made western civilization his own, because he understood mathematics, science and the laws of logic and all of the other essentials of western civilization, and when he was asked who discovered america, he would say columbus. Because he would understand that columbus was the one who brought to the western hemisphere his ideas and values, what were now his ideas and values. Well, I was wondering what the answer would be to my question about how Western (white, male, heterosexual) culture actually owes a lot to the philosophical and scientific achievements of dirty brown and yellow people, but here it is. Anything discovered by a non-white doesn't count! The discoverer is the first white man to come across it. The Chinese didn't invent gunpowder, the Arabs and Persians didn't invent chemistry or algebra or the compass. The Native Americans didn't discover America or tabacco or how to make American corn edible. All of those things were discovered by the first white man to lay eyes on them! 
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