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rovert posted:Welp a Top 100 matches on the WWE Network * is coming out today on WWE.com. *That don't feature Chris Benoit in any way, shape or form. I totally understand WHY, but it's pretty hilarious how many otherwise obvious entries are skipped for really good but far from legendary TV matches to make this work.
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Gaz-L posted:*That don't feature Chris Benoit in any way, shape or form. Hey now the Money in the Bank has Benoit in it!!
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Nov 14, 2014 23:08
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Daniel Bryan posted:It's already out. Someone on Reddit spent time typing them out. Actually an astonishingly really great list just glancing over it. They spent some time making this.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:21
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Flair/Steamboat being in the top 10 is enough proof for me that actual thought was put into the list. As much as that series is praised, I fully expected all too matches to be WWF/E matches.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:34
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Daniel Bryan posted:It's already out. Someone on Reddit spent time typing them out. There are some really weird choices on that list.
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Nov 15, 2014 00:07
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They should have used RVD/Lynn from Living Dangerously 99 or Hardcore Heaven 00 instead of Hardcore Heaven 99. But aside from that, what else was weird?
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Nov 15, 2014 00:12
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Order is always going to be argued but it seems like a pretty good list overall to me. I'm not as knowledgeable as some people on here but I couldn't pick out anything egregiously left out
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MassRafTer posted:There are some really weird choices on that list. The NXT ones (that i enjoyed) are funny but I know why they picked them. Taz vs. Bam Bam, on the hand, is very confusing.
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Nov 15, 2014 00:32
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Bret and Owen's cage match is a bad omission
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Super Ninja Fish posted:They should have used RVD/Lynn from Living Dangerously 99 or Hardcore Heaven 00 instead of Hardcore Heaven 99. But aside from that, what else was weird? Leaving off Jarrett/HBK is really weird unless they wanted to snub Jarrett. Leaving off Scott Steiner vs Goldberg is even weirder because it's by far the best Goldberg match. Conversely I don't think DDP/Goldberg is good enough to be on here although I really like the match. Bryan/Ziggler is another I wouldn't put on a very good match but not in this stratosphere, ditto Perfect/Flair. Taz/BBB isn't close, they chose the worst DDP/Savage match from their series (although it is the one DDP wins.) I don't know why Dusty/Flair is on the list since it doesn't have the reputation of the not so good but legendary Hogan matches. I also feel like they picked the weaker of the Cactus/Nasty Boys matches (but it's still worthy of being on there.) There's more, especially in cases of taking one match while leaving off others from a feud (the Edge/Cena choice for another) but it's not worth going through them all.
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Nov 15, 2014 00:40
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If they're going to include any Rumble match, make it 2001. '92s isn't that great.
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Nov 15, 2014 00:44
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You can argue placement and there are some cases where they picked the weaker match of a series or whatever, but overall it's a pretty good list and far better than anything I'd expect WWE to put together. I was expecting the top 10 to be all John Cena matches.
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pressedbunny posted:If they're going to include any Rumble match, make it 2001. '92s isn't that great. I'd agree with that too but 92 has a legendary reputation so I get why it is in there.
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pressedbunny posted:If they're going to include any Rumble match, make it 2001. '92s isn't that great. Bossman loving up his elimination and the mess with Savage were pretty great. Oh and it's the end of Undertaker's undefeated streak at Wrestlemania.
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pressedbunny posted:If they're going to include any Rumble match, make it 2001. '92s isn't that great. You're not being very fair to Flair 
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IcePhoenix posted:You're not being very fair to Flair Will you stop?!
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As if the edge and christian smackdown anniversary wasn't awesome enough, the outtake reel is just as funny.
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MassRafTer posted:Leaving off Jarrett/HBK is really weird unless they wanted to snub Jarrett. Leaving off Scott Steiner vs Goldberg is even weirder because it's by far the best Goldberg match. Conversely I don't think DDP/Goldberg is good enough to be on here although I really like the match. I refuse to believe Jeff Jarrett has ever had a good match, even against HBK, and nothing you can say or show me will ever convince me otherwise.
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St Evan Echoes posted:Bret and Owen's cage match is a bad omission I thought that match was really, really boring. The Angle/Brock ironman is the match that stands out to me as not belonging there at all.
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Here is what I would care about on such a list: 1.) Are at least 90% of these matches worth watching? If yes... 2.) Are there any egregious omissions? If no... I'm satisfied.
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Nov 15, 2014 06:59
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Gaz-L posted:*That don't feature Chris Benoit in any way, shape or form. Yeah at the very least the Triple Threat at Mania 20 should have been in the top ten. It must loving eat away at HHH's heart that the best match he's ever been in, the one with the most absolutely correct build, booking and delivery, can never be mentioned by him or anyone else in the WWE ever.
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Nov 15, 2014 07:29
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Memento posted:Yeah at the very least the Triple Threat at Mania 20 should have been in the top ten. For some reason I REALLY don't remember the build to that match. Possibly because even back then I wasn't really a big Benoit fan. Enlighten me?
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SamuraiFoochs posted:For some reason I REALLY don't remember the build to that match. Possibly because even back then I wasn't really a big Benoit fan. Enlighten me? It was the constant "you can never win this, you're not a main eventer, Triple H is a main eventer, you're nothing and will never have the title" Shawn Michaels then self-inserted into the match to continue his HHH feud, and every story they were telling was about Benoit being nothing in this match, he'll just get blasted past by the real main event players, there's no way he's even going to get a chance. And then HHH tapped clean in the middle of the ring. If Benoit won with HBK tapping or being pinned, it wouldn't have been what it was, but HHH absolutely put over Benoit like a loving star. Of course, the booking of Benoit as champion killed the angle afterwards, but for one shining moment, everything was right in the world of Professional Wrestling. edit: It was a really loving good match too, regardless of all of that, and one HHH should justifiably be proud of as he bumped his arse off and everyone worked like animals to make everyone else look amazing. I don't want people to think I'm gaining schadenfreude from HHH not being able to talk about how good it was, I realise I may have given that impression. It was an exceptional match, and everyone involved has the right to be proud of what they accomplished in the ring. Memento fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Nov 15, 2014 07:50
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I am glad they kept Hogan vs Andre down at 95 on the list because although it's historic and all, it's actually kinda super garbage, but I would have expected them to make it like, #3. Also HHH/Cactus from Rumble 2000 being 26 is criminally low. best match, with best wrestler. projecthalaxy fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Memento posted:Yeah at the very least the Triple Threat at Mania 20 should have been in the top ten. Well without the chapter markers on the Benoit matches, they can't exactly link to the match.
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Triple H is probably proudest of his Three Stages of Hell match with Austin.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:I thought that match was really, really boring. The best thing about it is how realistic the psychology of the match is. They spend most of their time trying to escape rather than wrestling, which is what you would expect if it was real. The problem is it makes the match really repetitive. It's pretty much 30 minutes of: do a move, climb, get thrown off, other guy climbs, big double bump, repeat.
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There's some interesting stuff in the latest 95 Raws that have been added to the Network. Diesel is doing a pre-Austin anti-authority badass face angle and they just did the HBK worked shoot concussion bit with Owen. It's an interesting contrast with Undertaker fighting Mabel for the possession of a golden chain that has mystical powers.
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MassRafTer posted:Triple H is probably proudest of his Three Stages of Hell match with Austin. I can't see how he could pick any match but the WM27 Taker match as his best. I would love a Network show of wrestlers picking their top 5 matches and doing a little bit of commentary on each. Doesn't even have to be in depth like the Austin podcast. Just a few minutes about why it was special to them, and then the match plays.
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-That's way too many Flair matches, but you have to throw in something instead of the four or five Benoit matches you'd otherwise throw in -Rock/Austin at Mania 19 was maybe the third best match on the show, but to be fair, this was one of the best in-ring manias -One of the top #100 matches of all time is a ten-minute Scotty 2 Hotty match, which is notable for him taking a ridiculous bump, something which never happened at all in 2000/2001 WWF. Also there is a bunch of Malenko working over the leg, which leads to absolutely nothing -The Shield having three matches on here is pretty ridiculous, and generally this list's taste in tag matches (Survivor Series 2001?) leaves something to be desired -I would have liked to see Austin vs. Angle at Summerslam 2001, there's not much an excuse for leaving this off since it doesn't involve Benoit
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Charles Gnarwin posted:I would love a Network show of wrestlers picking their top 5 matches and doing a little bit of commentary on each. Doesn't even have to be in depth like the Austin podcast. Just a few minutes about why it was special to them, and then the match plays. It'd be especially cringeworthy in that sort of half-kayfabe delivery they use on network shows. "It's one of my favourite matches because that night I just wanted it more, left it all on the field and though he was a tough son of a bitch I was the better man. Oh and Vince told us I was winning the match"
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:-I would have liked to see Austin vs. Angle at Summerslam 2001, there's not much an excuse for leaving this off since it doesn't involve Benoit This is a top 5 match with an even slightly better finish than what they went with
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Charles Gnarwin posted:I can't see how he could pick any match but the WM27 Taker match as his best. Even with his Taker matches at Wrestlemania, the 28 Hell in a Cell was way better. And the three stages of hell is up there for one of the best WWF matches ever.
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Nov 15, 2014 20:48
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There's no better HHH moment than the tombstone spot. I 100% thought that was gonna be the end of the streak.
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Ehhh agree to disagree then since I can name a few moments I think are better, especially the ending to the Three Stages of Hell match. Then again I didn't watch the Wrestlemania 27 match live and it seems like that's the big divide on people who think it's great vs. people who only think it's ok.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:-The Shield having three matches on here is pretty ridiculous, and generally this list's taste in tag matches (Survivor Series 2001?) leaves something to be desired The Shield matches on there are all amazing. Plus, it's fun to say that Erick Rowan is on the list of top matches.
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sportsgenius86 posted:There's no better HHH moment than the tombstone spot. I 100% thought that was gonna be the end of the streak. HHH's reaction to the kickout might be my favorite thing he's ever done.
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Yessss, Raw 139 features the greatest squash match ever, finally in high quality: Aja Kong utterly destroys Chaparrita Asari starting about 8 minutes into the show. It's a shame the women's division fell apart before Kong had a shot at the title. Ha, that squash was followed by Ahmed Johnson reminding me of how ridiculously sloppy he was. It's a miracle the guy never killed anyone in the ring. Chinston Wurchill fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Yessss, Raw 139 features the greatest squash match ever, finally in high quality: Aja Kong utterly destroys Chaparrita Asari starting about 8 minutes into the show. It's a shame the women's division fell apart before Kong had a shot at the title. So many amazing things in the first 15 minutes. Teenage Jobber Jeff Hardy, Diesel watching matches from the back as a precursor to our current "champion watching tv from a 3/4ths angle", Mention of what I assume is the infamous AOL interview that Vince has like a mental breakdown in, and that kid in the front row watching Aja Kong destroy Asari with his mouth agape the entire time.
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Watching Survivor Series '96 and I have forgotten how loose the ring ropes were. When Taker was walking across the top rope it was touching the middle rope and sagging halfway down to the bottom rope. His jump was about 1 foot.
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