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MeLKoR posted:I kinda agree with you but coming from the other side. His effort to look impartial has let things like linking to a porn site with no warning go unpunished least it look like he's censoring people. For fucks sake, fortunately I wasn't browsing at work. Look at the destination URLs before clicking?
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Cat Mattress posted:Look at the destination URLs before clicking? pffft that's like reading the manual to your toaster
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Cat Mattress posted:Look at the destination URLs before clicking? i live life on the edge
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Putin leaves G20 after Harper and other leaders press him on actions in Ukraine http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/11/15/putin-leaves-g20-after-harper-and-other-leaders-press-him-on-actions-in-ukraine/ quote:BRISBANE, Australia – Russian President Vladimir Putin is to skip the last day of G20 leaders’ two-day summit and return home early to Moscow after a chilly exchange with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper and sharp criticisms from his Australian and American counterparts over Russia’s seizure of Crimea and reports of fresh incursions by heavily armed Russian troops into eastern Ukraine.
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Meanwhile I found an article from Estonian newspaper where one Estonian rock musician/artist met an old friend of his from Georgia, who is now a MP, and they discussed the situation in Georgia. Main points were: Saakashvili is out and is broke because he didn't save anything (steal) for the rainy days. But all his property was confiscated because there is a pending criminal investigation regarding suspicious bills involving botox, yachts and helicopters. He does have some supporters left, but his political career is over. However they're grateful for his police reform because the police no longer stops people every 100 meters to ask for bribes, and police brutality is now an exception rather than a rule. When people want to apply for documents they no longer have to pay bribes, just the fee to the state and they get it done super quick. Low- and mid level corruption have apparently been eradicated (I find this hard to believe, but I guess perhaps severely reduced). Of course high-level corruption has raised it's head instead. 4 million georgians out of 4.5 million are now covered by state health insurance. Ivanishvili gave up his presidency after a year and started several citizen organizations that criticize the government and apparently the government listens to his criticism because he is still influential, but emphasis is on the fact that he does not rule from behind the curtains. And in case this was in doubt, he is not pro-Russian, such stories were only spread by the supporters of Saakashvili. Apparently Georgian and Abkhazians hold regular meetings in London (because "it's far away from outside intereference"), apparently the latter are feeling threatened by Russian dominance. Georgians are of the opinion that only by showing an example of good governance could they bring Abkhazia back into their fold. Ossetia is a whole another story though because there's north ossetia beyond the mountains (and in my opinion because it's led by former KGB men). They are still intent on remaining on the course of EU and NATO memberships. Any sort of a pro-Russian crowd consists of about a dozen people. Apparently agricultural reforms are also underway, but they did not get into details. I did some googling and found this: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/02/201322081918452141.html I knew they were encouraging Afrikaner farmers to immigrate, but now Indians too... Perhaps all this is being seen through rose-tinted goggles of a MP, perhaps not. We'll see. And of course they're all hoping for the best for Ukraine. e: actual footage of ukrainians shooting down MH17: http://imgur.com/ZWAeeJh jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Look at the destination URLs before clicking? Yeah, what was I thinking expecting people in D&D not to link to goatse/tubgirl/porn without a tag?
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jonnypeh posted:Meanwhile I found an article from Estonian newspaper where one Estonian rock musician/artist met an old friend of his from Georgia, who is now a MP, and they discussed the situation in Georgia. Having spent time in Georgia, I get the feeling that most people would rather just put most of the recent past behind them and try to trade with Russia without having to surrender sovereignty (which is a tough act). NATO and EU membership is still "on the table" but I think through recent elections there has been a silent cool put on both simply because it just may not really work for Georgia considering its awkward geopolitical situation. They were very few honest "Pro-Russian" people I met, but plenty who rather just remain relatively neutral and rebuild or were more strongly pro-Western. The street cops are far better respected today than they were before the reforms, but there is still obviously a lot of corruption and abuse in the system where the reforms were more limited (like prisons). As for pretty much all "mid and low level corruption" being eliminated, I really doubt it at least according to people who I was talking to. Also from friends that have gone to Abkhazia, at least at the street level there wasn't a real desire to reunify with the south. The political level is obviously more opaque. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Pycckuu posted:I just think it would be nice if he copy pasted the good parts from his blog into the thread when he's talking about it (which is all the time), and then linked the rest. Got a better idea, how bout he keeps posting up his awesome blog, and you take your bullshit and go gently caress off.
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Pycckuu posted:I didn't criticize the contents of his blog, just that he posts about it incessantly and only links to it specifically to generate more hits. It's not specifically to generate hits, you moron, it's because his blog is relevant to the discussion. His blog is completely relevant to the discussion, and shows people how they can find this stuff out for themselves, which is pretty much the antidote to propaganda. Jumping putin on a pogo stick, you're dense.
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im_sorry posted:It's not specifically to generate hits, you moron, it's because his blog is relevant to the discussion. His blog is completely relevant to the discussion, and shows people how they can find this stuff out for themselves, which is pretty much the antidote to propaganda. Oh, they're not being dense. It's much worse than that.
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El Scotch posted:Oh, they're not being dense. It's much worse than that. This. loving this. I don't get how one can defend invaders and mass murderers and still can sleep at night.
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Baloogan posted:Putin leaves G20 after Harper and other leaders press him on actions in Ukraine The worst part of this crisis is forcing me to approve of something Harper is doing on the world stage.
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Dolash posted:The worst part of this crisis is forcing me to approve of something Harper is doing on the world stage. Australias Abbott's the same. In any other circumstance Putin's the type of strong arm rightist they'd love.
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Pycckuu posted:I didn't criticize the contents of his blog, just that he posts about it incessantly and only links to it specifically to generate more hits. Because he's providing relevant information about the topic of the thread. I would rather we generate hits for Bellingcat than a porn website.
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jonnypeh posted:e: actual footage of ukrainians shooting down MH17: http://imgur.com/ZWAeeJh Good thing someone had their satellites pointed at that exact location, at the exact moment the missile was fired.
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Pycckuu posted:I didn't criticize the contents of his blog, just that he posts about it incessantly and only links to it specifically to generate more hits. So how much does the FSB pay you per post?
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How do I get in on the sweet sweet Russian Troll money train? Can I just post "Putin Good He Preserves Tiger and Does Judo" and get paid? Do I have to do any actual work to steal money Russia, is what I'm saying.
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Pycckuu posted:I just think it would be nice if he copy pasted the good parts from his blog into the thread when he's talking about it (which is all the time), and then linked the rest. He does this. Often.
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Another strong proof that Putin guilty:  This is not a photoshop. This is true satellite photo.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:This. loving this. I don't get how one can defend invaders and mass murderers and still can sleep at night. He also likes rapists, fyi. Fandyien posted:last summer i was taking a class on wwii history in film, and we watched a german movie called "A Woman in Berlin" based on a wartime journal by a German woman who was raped, repeatedly, by the occupying soviets. its about how women deal with sexual violence in the midst of war and it's really a very good, serious, trying movie Pycckuu posted:Shut up and post pictures from the greatest country of Earth (is Russia).
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Holy gently caress. What a piece of poo poo. Go gently caress yourself, Pycckuu. You are human garbage.
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Lunch at the G20. Putin sits alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-keQDAV68
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Lunch at the G20. Putin sits alone. I wonder if the realization that literally everybody hates him will have any consequences. I'm guessing he'll lash out and start WWIII, but hey, you never know.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Lunch at the G20. Putin sits alone. I ask again. Was Putin excpecting a less cold reception?
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OhYeah posted:I ask again. Was Putin excpecting a less cold reception? Apparently. He also did run away in the end. I guess he reconsidered his reconsideration of his early retirement from the G20? After all, he has work to do on Monday. 
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Lunch at the G20. Putin sits alone.
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Hate to burst your collective hivemindic Russia is evil and also doomed hivemind but: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/vladimir-putins-dicey-dilemma-russia-stands-fateful-fork-the-11646 Not really. The BND (German secret service, not friends of Putin) btw. believes that the seperatists shot down the plane by accident, using a Buk launcher they captured from Kiev aligned forces, and may have been aiming at the Ukrainian SU-25 flying in the area. They also openly stated the Kiev side manipulated a lot of photos. http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/german-intelligence-blames-pro-russian-separatists-for-mh17-downing-a-997972.html It is not as if the "west" has a very unified story they wish to expose/enforce either. One should add that Spiegel is, like most mainstream German news outlets, foaming at the mouth anti Russian.
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Mightypeon posted:The BND (German secret service, not friends of Putin) btw. believes that the seperatists shot down the plane by accident, using a Buk launcher they captured from Kiev aligned forces, and may have been aiming at the Ukrainian SU-25 flying in the area. Yes? The only point subject to debate here is whether the Buk was given by Russia, captured from Ukraine, or maybe both (captured by Ukraine from Russian reinforcements first, then captured by separatists, as it has happened to some tanks). But the core "separatists shot down the airliner thinking it was an Ukrainian military plane" is not in question, despite all the clunky Russian propaganda.
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The "captured" part also seems substantially unlikely after videos of the launcher in rebel areas emerged. The only Buk photographed by the rebels and claimed as "captured" prior to the event was a TEL. A single launcher the Ukrainian army apparently gutted before leaving it behind on a base when they pulled such assets out to avoid exactly this sort of thing. The rebels made claims about having "repaired" it after the An-24 was shot down at high altitude by a Buk (which the Ukrainians claimed came from across the border in Russia). At the time this was semi-plausible, because hey, maybe the Ukrainian army was full of poo poo and didn't actually disable it in way that would prevent repair - particularly with Russian assistance. However, this was shown to be very unlikely immediately after video emerged on the Buk driving around in rebel held areas. That vehicle was a TELAR, which is to say it has a large RADAR in addition to the launcher/erector for the missiles. Completely different vehicle, unless there was actually a second Buk driving around (and a RADAR/C&C vehicle to provide fire control!). Edit: That being said, I entirely expect Russia and associated clowns to push that bullshit story if they feel their current bullshit stories aren't sticking. It backpedals just enough to allow for the rebels making the shootdown with a Buk while conveniently dismissing Russia's role in the matter (and, of course, the pile of supporting evidence). Easy enough to claim it was a couple rebels acting on their own and OH WAIT the persons responsible died months ago in fighting! Warbadger fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Yes? The only point subject to debate here is whether the Buk was given by Russia, captured from Ukraine, or maybe both (captured by Ukraine from Russian reinforcements first, then captured by separatists, as it has happened to some tanks). But the core "separatists shot down the airliner thinking it was an Ukrainian military plane" is not in question, despite all the clunky Russian propaganda. The BND also thinks the Russian claims are all filthy, filthy lies. So there is that.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Lunch at the G20. Putin sits alone. That is called wishful thinking. http://youtu.be/LA-keQDAV68?t=36s I don't think that president Dilma Rousseff shares your vision about her lunch in company with president Putin.
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Looks like the election season is starting in Estonia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNqzSv7l6No (campaign ad for the Reform party) I wonder whether those are Portuguese, Dutch or Danish F-16s and if those pilots and their governments were told that they would be promoting a political party of Estonia. The message is typical "more security, more prosperity" blah blah bah. What's more, he started this by visiting a military unit, posing with US and Estonian soldiers and issuing statements saying how we've built a strong defense force that can absolutely respond to the changed security situation of today's world. I can not wait until they lose elections. One day. Looks like Romanian presidential elections are on today, could some Romanians here tell us how it's going? Judging from what I've dug up on the internet about Victor Ponta and Klaus Iohannis, if I were Romanian I would definitely vote for the latter.
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TeodorMorozov posted:That is called wishful thinking. Well, as he said, he sat with no-one.
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The Dutch are in occupied Eastern Ukraine collecting the debris from the crash site. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30073283 quote:Work has begun to remove wreckage from the MH17 crash site in rebel-held eastern Ukraine, Dutch officials say.
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My favourite part of the satellite image photoshop is that the person who made it had no idea how satellite imagery actually works. They thought they were like normal camera images because the planes are foreshortened, as if they were taken by a plane at higher altitute. But satellite images are taken from low orbit, so there would be negligible foreshortening of the planes compared to the surface since they're almost the same distance (relatively) from the sensor. If the photos where genuine, the fighter jet would have had to be the size of the Statue of Liberty.
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Jonad posted:My favourite part of the satellite image photoshop is that the person who made it had no idea how satellite imagery actually works. They thought they were like normal camera images because the planes are foreshortened, as if they were taken by a plane at higher altitute. But satellite images are taken from low orbit, so there would be negligible foreshortening of the planes compared to the surface since they're almost the same distance (relatively) from the sensor. I'm taking remote sensing right now and I think I'll ask my professor about this.
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