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Kaedric posted:The mistake is thinking that buying a clear is you preferring to skip content than learn it. As I stated above, it is likely just a situation where the person was not lucky enough to get into a static, and it's a total crapshoot to try doing with party finder. Because T9 gates FCOB, you have to get it out of the way somehow, and it's actually semi likely that when applying for a static saying "oh I've never beat T9" is a bad thing. Slamming your head into a fight for hours and hours is literally the defining factor of progression. If your response to being stuck on a fight is "Spend money to skip it" rather than "put together a group to run and learn it", you probably aren't going to be a good fit for a progression group! I have no problems with people buying clears, they can do whatever they want with their money, but it certainly raises a huge red flag as to whether or not this person is going to be competent and dedicated enough to fit in. There's also the small aspect that the person in question explicitly said he bought a clear because he couldn't be bothered to learn the fight, but I didn't mention that in my original post MadFriarAvelyn posted:Why do you people put yourselves through this? Seriously. If you're not "lucky" enough to get into a static? Make your own. Instead of simply joining so many party finder groups expecting a carry, identify the good players you meet in those runs, and see if they're interested in forming a static. Slowly build up a crack team of people who can actually play the game and get along with each other and eventually get a static up and running that can actually clear content. A lot of people seem to underestimate how much work actually goes into keeping a static together. My group didn't luck into where we are, we spent 2 months iterating through members just to get a solid group of 8, and then a month of raiding 9 hours a week after that to get our T9 clear.
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Nov 16, 2014 20:59
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Somehow all the cool people you meet in Duty Finder don't play on Excalibur!
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Nov 16, 2014 21:00
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:Why do you people put yourselves through this? Seriously. If you're not "lucky" enough to get into a static? Make your own. Instead of simply joining so many party finder groups expecting a carry, identify the good players you meet in those runs, and see if they're interested in forming a static. Slowly build up a crack team of people who can actually play the game and get along with each other and eventually get a static up and running that can actually clear content. I should be clear that no one was making GBS threads on me, I just saw it happening to other goons. And I think all I have to do is point to certain folks posting in this thread to dispel your scare quotes around smugposting. I had/have a static (although it was one that was disinterested in doing Titan EX) that I made in just the fashion you stated. And not to be totally combative, but most people did not put through the effort you're talking about to get into a static. Most goon statics were/are organized via the forums. Not every player is going to be a LEADER OF MEN and organize a static from the ground up, and if they had? Why would they be applying to your group? Keep in mind what we are talking about here is that someone would PREFER to get someone who had never done content to one who had chosen to buy their way past it. Both circumstances involve the person not being good enough to clear the content, but one somehow is preferable over the other. I'm arguing against that.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:07
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bonewitch posted:There's also the small aspect that the person in question explicitly said he bought a clear because he couldn't be bothered to learn the fight, but I didn't mention that in my original post Damnit man, now I agree with you >=(
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Nov 16, 2014 21:10
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This game attracts enough people new to the idea of MMO progression raiding that the thread ends up re fighting the same old Goon Squad vs Elitist Jerks arguments from WoW vanilla circa 2004, I guess
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Nov 16, 2014 21:11
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The Chairman posted:This game attracts enough people new to the idea of MMO progression raiding that the thread ends up re fighting the same old Goon Squad vs Elitist Jerks arguments from WoW vanilla circa 2004, I guess ah the salad days *leans back in a chair and reminisces about all the Beef alts*
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Nov 16, 2014 21:15
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Kaedric posted:Keep in mind what we are talking about here is that someone would PREFER to get someone who had never done content to one who had chosen to buy their way past it. Both circumstances involve the person not being good enough to clear the content, but one somehow is preferable over the other. I'm arguing against that. I guess I should have been more clear when I talked about "running someone though T9". We were looking for people who had enough T9 experience to clear but hadn't necessarily done so (because we knew T9 pugs are terrible). We actually turned down a good tank that we had played with before because he had no T9 experience.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:18
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The Chairman posted:This game attracts enough people new to the idea of MMO progression raiding that the thread ends up re fighting the same old Goon Squad vs Elitist Jerks arguments from WoW vanilla circa 2004, I guess This is kind of a major feat in itself, really. I only know a few other people who have been serious progression raiders at some point, and most of them were in FFXI, which wasn't really like modern MMORPGs in any way. For so many people to be brand new to (and enjoying!) progression raiding is a huge surprise, especially in the wake of Wildstar's GAME FOR HARDCORE RAIDERS.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:31
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The Chairman posted:This game attracts enough people new to the idea of MMO progression raiding that the thread ends up re fighting the same old Goon Squad vs Elitist Jerks arguments from WoW vanilla circa 2004, I guess EVERY THREE PAGES
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Nov 16, 2014 21:39
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bonewitch posted:I guess I should have been more clear when I talked about "running someone though T9". We were looking for people who had enough T9 experience to clear but hadn't necessarily done so (because we knew T9 pugs are terrible). We actually turned down a good tank that we had played with before because he had no T9 experience. The more you give context to your story the more I agree with you. Please stop so we can argue over the internet.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:39
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I think we should focus the discussion not on those who would purchase runs, but those who sell. Surely they have the most abysmal self esteem, and no allagan weapons.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:53
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I sold DD powerlevel runs to ninjas at 25k a pop but my self esteem is pretty abysmal. I also do not have an Allagan weapon! Just a Burtgang!
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Nov 16, 2014 21:58
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Velthice posted:I think we should focus the discussion not on those who would purchase runs, but those who sell. Surely they have the most abysmal self esteem, and no allagan weapons. All run sellers are horrible people until they offer me a discount for their services.
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Nov 16, 2014 21:59
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Help I am new to emm emm ohs and have no idea what a static is, what would be considered a static, is it like an fc thing or something
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Nov 16, 2014 22:12
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a static is like a D&D group except you don't have to look people in the eye to see if they're giving you that look of encroaching shame upon the dawning realization that they're spending the friday nights of their 20s fighting a giant snake lady over and over again
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Nov 16, 2014 22:16
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Luna Was Here posted:Help I am new to emm emm ohs and have no idea what a static is, what would be considered a static, is it like an fc thing or something A static is a group of people you agree to log on at the same time as & do difficult content with, usually organized with a Linkshell. If you trust the people you're playing with, you'll have a much better time & spend way less time overall finishing the content.
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Nov 16, 2014 22:17
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Nov 16, 2014 22:24
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when second coil came out my group helped innocent newbies through t5 solely to let them loose on t6 party finders 
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Nov 16, 2014 22:30
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Rei_ posted:a static is like a D&D group except you don't have to look people in the eye to see if they're giving you that look of encroaching shame upon the dawning realization that they're spending the friday nights of their 20s fighting a giant snake lady over and over again Time to knock some heads together and figure out how to transfer Coil and Extreme fights to a D&D table-top format.
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Nov 16, 2014 23:19
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Nov 16, 2014 23:26
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Touchfuzzy posted:Time to knock some heads together and figure out how to transfer Coil and Extreme fights to a D&D table-top format. Roll a d20 every turn, at 16+ you don't instantly die to a landslide/plume stack.
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Nov 16, 2014 23:29
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Touchfuzzy posted:Time to knock some heads together and figure out how to transfer Coil and Extreme fights to a D&D table-top format. Probably not that hard. For hard enrages just give a turn limit that the boss must be completed in, make up damage values for all of the moves and then make up ranges/aoe for each of the moves. I.e twintania uses liquid hell on player x but player y and z are also in the resulting aoe so they need to do move rolls to see if they escape the fire otherwise they take like 1/4 their hp or something like that
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Nov 16, 2014 23:33
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I've gotten my CUL to 37 for Steady Hand 2, what should I do next? And I did it the slow and painful way by just doing my ixal quests for a level a day, what's the best way to start getting things to 50? I don't mind blowing some money, I've got a million gil I'm not using for anything. Do I just go and spam the highest level leve I can do and buy the HQ items to do it fastest? Seems like that would be a lot cheaper than crafting everything on the lists and gearing up constantly. I'm not on excal, prices tend to be somewhat cheaper on Hyperion.
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Nov 17, 2014 00:24
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Luna Was Here posted:Probably not that hard. For hard enrages just give a turn limit that the boss must be completed in, make up damage values for all of the moves and then make up ranges/aoe for each of the moves. I.e twintania uses liquid hell on player x but player y and z are also in the resulting aoe so they need to do move rolls to see if they escape the fire otherwise they take like 1/4 their hp or something like that I'm pretty sure that a properly designed tabletop version of Turn 7 would end up having every group that attempts it kill each other before the night is out God knows learning that fight it was a very good thing I was millions of miles away from my 7 "friends" as we wiped how loving hard is it to turn the gently caress around I JUST shouted voice check your voice JESUS CHRIST WIPE IT UP E: Changing topics: UglyDucklett posted:I've gotten my CUL to 37 for Steady Hand 2, what should I do next? And I did it the slow and painful way by just doing my ixal quests for a level a day, what's the best way to start getting things to 50? I don't mind blowing some money, I've got a million gil I'm not using for anything. Do I just go and spam the highest level leve I can do and buy the HQ items to do it fastest? Seems like that would be a lot cheaper than crafting everything on the lists and gearing up constantly. I'm not on excal, prices tend to be somewhat cheaper on Hyperion. You can get every crafting job to 15-18 just by going down the initial two lists and crafting everything, along with maybe a little incidental grinding which will hardly matter. Having access to all the 15 skills will help. The leves you want to use to level are known as Courier leves. They all work exactly the same way: you get the leve, it tells you to craft a single item, and it wants you to take it outside the city to an outpost somewhere. They give notably larger XP reward than regular leves. You can buy the HQ items for them, or if you have any buddies which have the craft leveled already, have them HQ for you. It doesn't take a lot of materials to level up this way, although it will burn through your Leves very quickly. If you don't have a preference for crafting jobs, do CRP first for Byregot's Blessing, and then WVR for Careful Synthesis II. After that it'll hardly matter for order and you can do your own HQing extremely easily. Meiteron fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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Nov 17, 2014 00:24
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Meiteron posted:You can get every crafting job to 15-18 just by going down the initial two lists and crafting everything, along with maybe a little incidental grinding which will hardly matter. Having access to all the 15 skills will help. Thanks! already had everything 15, forgot to mention that.
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Nov 17, 2014 00:36
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Just wanted to thank Ethiser for using my code and subbing.
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Nov 17, 2014 00:47
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Helpful link: http://ffxivcrafting.com/levequests If the site shows it's a triple turn-in, that means you can repeat it three times (e.g. if it asks for 3 of something for completion, you can give 3, then 3 again, then 3 a third time, for a total of 9), and get the reward three times. So you can effectively multiply the exp/gil per leve by three for those, if you don't mind forking over that many items. You get double the listed exp/gil for turning in HQ instead of NQ. Aside from that, just pick whichever leve in your level range gives either the best exp per leve or the best exp per item, and spam that one until you hit a new level range. Allow for reasonable exceptions when the items are a pain to HQ (40 durability) or have relatively rare/expensive ingredients.
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Nov 17, 2014 01:05
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Killsion posted:Just wanted to thank Ethiser for using my code and subbing. Glad to help. I've really enjoyed my free month with this game. I should probably join one of the guilds soon.
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Nov 17, 2014 01:27
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I'll throw my code out there if any intrepid goon wants to use it: 6UBFXSX9 If you use it let me know,I want to know who got it
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Nov 17, 2014 01:35
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Rei_ posted:a static is like a D&D group except you don't have to look people in the eye to see if they're giving you that look of encroaching shame upon the dawning realization that they're spending the friday nights of their 20s fighting a giant snake lady over and over again Some of us are in our 30s 
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Nov 17, 2014 01:41
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I ended my play time today at GLA 20. I have to say tanking is a great change of pace for playing the game. I've tanked the first 3 dungeons now and I've gotten a decent hang of it outside of some people not attacking things they should be. I need to figure out marking macros for the controller to help out with that in low dungeons. My first dungeon my dps's were goons and were helpful, our healer kept pulling things with Aero but we made it through without too much hassle. A few other runs I had some DPS (almost always ROG/NIN) that would keep attacking random mobs which made threat management difficult, but it was good for learning. I'm having a lot of fun with it and I'm definitely going to see it through to 50.
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Nov 17, 2014 01:41
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Every so often I go on a Titan EX spree in PF. Since last major patch, I've progressed from never seeing Jailors, (2.3) to semi-reliably getting to the second round of bombs after Jailors spawn (2.5). At this rate, I should be able to clear Titan EX via PF around the time 3.0 hits.
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Nov 17, 2014 01:45
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Vil posted:Helpful link: http://ffxivcrafting.com/levequests Don't do triple turn-in leves unless the item reward is really good, like a relic precursor. The total XP works out to actually be slightly less than the single turn-in ones, and since it's three turn-ins of three items each, it works out to 9 times the work for less of a reward.
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Nov 17, 2014 01:52
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OWLS! posted:Every so often I go on a Titan EX spree in PF. Since last major patch, I've progressed from never seeing Jailors, (2.3) to semi-reliably getting to the second round of bombs after Jailors spawn (2.5). Do you just need the clear because I'm sure goons would be able to help you out with it. I get home in a couple of hours so I'd be able to help you then. Trust me I know how hard that fight is with pubs,I did it through df and it was a nightmare
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Nov 17, 2014 02:00
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Fister Roboto posted:Don't do triple turn-in leves unless the item reward is really good, like a relic precursor. The total XP works out to actually be slightly less than the single turn-in ones, and since it's three turn-ins of three items each, it works out to 9 times the work for less of a reward. that depends on the specific leves available and the current market. apple juice is 9 for 96,000 (192 hq) exp and i was able to buy a ton of it for a fraction of the other options on my server. the next tier up, the triple turnins were incredibly expensive and hq crowned pies cost nothing.
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Nov 17, 2014 02:01
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Ethiser posted:Glad to help. I've really enjoyed my free month with this game. I should probably join one of the guilds soon. If you're on Excalibur, which you really should be, then absolutely join up with PBC or DGKK. Really makes the game a lot more enjoyable.
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Nov 17, 2014 02:06
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Heavy Lobster posted:This is from a few pages back, but holy poo poo, hello my exact clone! We're 
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Nov 17, 2014 02:07
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Did Data Center Primal perhaps just crash? E: Same VVV
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Just got punted out of the game
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