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Yuriy posted:I don't know where these Rose stories are from about Roufous Sport, can you like describe what poo poo goes down? Blame longpants kickboxing.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 05:00 |
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the posts on rose's instagram are accounts from other people who have trained there and are pretty damning. even if the training plays a big factor the negligence from the doctor & ref is probably equally to blame.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 05:02 |
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Yuriy posted:I don't know where these Rose stories are from about Roufous Sport, can you like describe what poo poo goes down? Check her twitter/instagram. Basically the short version is that she and a number of others are accusing the coaches there of physically and mentally abusing fighters in their care - putting 35ers and women in against big men for hard-contact sparring, berating them as wimps when they get hurt, pressuring them into continuing, &c. https://twitter.com/rosenamajunas/status/534145581925797888 I think this one encapsulates it well. CommonShore fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Nov 17, 2014 |
# ? Nov 17, 2014 05:04 |
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Apparently he cut 8 pounds as a bantamweight with no instruction/training on how to cut/rehydrate, for a same day weigh-in. 8 isnt much for a pro but can really gently caress you up if you dont know what to do.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 05:06 |
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Yuriy posted:Different states have different amateur rulesets, some even don't allow ground and pound, I don't think I've ever seen any amateur MMA with headgear though. Yeah in Florida amateur fights have no shots to the head on the ground whatsoever. Big thing is that you get a count (like boxing) on knockdowns. Shin guards, but no headgear.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 05:13 |
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I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time we've heard accusations of Duke Roufus being a massive scumbag.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 06:01 |
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Guess we're going to start seeing Pettis knocked out more often (if he ever fights again)
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 06:16 |
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jfc, I used to train at Duke's and never saw any of that. It must be completely isolated to the upper-level guys. The coaches for us mere humans were pretty loving insistent about never going hard in sparring.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 06:31 |
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K8.0 posted:I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time we've heard accusations of Duke Roufus being a massive scumbag. CommonShore posted:Check her twitter/instagram. Basically the short version is that she and a number of others are accusing the coaches there of physically and mentally abusing fighters in their care - putting 35ers and women in against big men for hard-contact sparring, berating them as wimps when they get hurt, pressuring them into continuing, &c. Wow they're like just a couple steps removed from Lloyd Irvin levels of abuse there.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 08:12 |
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There were points in Roufus' podcast with Rogan where I cringed he was talking about certain sparring sessions they'd have where guys would be going to war in his gym and he was bragging about how he always had people leave who weren't tough enough. Rogan has spoken about it before too and that's that a lot of guys have had occasions where they were knocked out in the weeks leading up to their fights and then been loving starched during really easily. Concussions occurring close together and consistently are worse for you than big ones further apart. These stories are shocking. most gyms these days advocate stopping as soon as someone gets wobbled and then that's it for their week at the least. This kind of mentality is loving stupid and now its more than likely contributed to a kid getting killed.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 08:30 |
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I'm not going to enjoy watching Pettis lose brain cells inside the Octagon one day.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 08:32 |
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From listening to Rogan's podcast with Duke, I got the impression his older brother was a psychopath in training, but they both became world champions. He still trains the same way, but he doesn't understand that he succeeded in spite of training like that, not because.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 08:45 |
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Street Horrrsing posted:From listening to Rogan's podcast with Duke, I got the impression his older brother was a psychopath in training, but they both became world champions. He still trains the same way, but he doesn't understand that he succeeded in spite of training like that, not because. Something about that Rick Roufus vs Changpuek Kietsongrit video and the interviews in it gave me a sense of them not being very nice people. e. according to twitter Karyn Bryant has an interview with Rose and Pat coming up p.soon. CommonShore fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Nov 17, 2014 |
# ? Nov 17, 2014 14:45 |
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That literature lady happened to be there when Koch caught his first concussion: before weigh-ins for his fight from Duke Roufus, who was air jabbing while looking the other way and talking to Pettis. When I first read it it didn't stand out beyond a dumb mistake but at the very least shows Duke as indifferent to his fighters' health.quote:That afternoon Duke and Erik and Pettis were training in a Hilton conference room the organizers had filled, for the week, with mats. Duke ran Erik through some striking maneuvers, holding bright red pads for Erik to slam with side-kicks and jabs. He later fought and beat Assuncao but had to pull out of his next one iirc to deal with the concussion.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 19:04 |
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Jesus, he really got a concussion, from his trainer, at the weigh in before the fight? That is hosed.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 19:50 |
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Count Roland posted:Jesus, he really got a concussion, from his trainer, at the weigh in before the fight? That is hosed. Yeah, I know accidents happen all the time, but it's insane that he thought Koch's weigh in was the best time to start getting Pettis ready for Clay Guida, out of nowhere.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 20:06 |
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There is nothing wrong with that story.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 20:29 |
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Dangersim posted:There is nothing wrong with that story. There is something wrong with your brain.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 20:37 |
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Dangersim posted:There is nothing wrong with that story. the claims of guida knocking people out with a hook seems to likely be wrong
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 20:39 |
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Tezcatlipoca posted:There is something wrong with your brain. It seems Duke Roufous is an rear end in a top hat and doesn't care about people's health, but a professional fighter accidentally getting caught with a stiff jab during a demonstration is not shocking or newsworthy.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 21:15 |
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Dangersim posted:It seems Duke Roufous is an rear end in a top hat and doesn't care about people's health, but a professional fighter accidentally getting caught with a stiff jab during a demonstration is not shocking or newsworthy. But to get a concussion from it? If that is indeed what happened.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 21:23 |
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Count Roland posted:But to get a concussion from it? If that is indeed what happened. He staggered back. That's all it says. Maybe it was a concussion, but it was an accident and nothing about that story sounds particularly negligent.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 21:31 |
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david carmichael posted:the claims of guida knocking people out with a hook seems to likely be wrong lol
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 21:32 |
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Dangersim posted:nothing about that story sounds particularly negligent. Except for the part where he punched his fighter in the face.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 23:41 |
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Except for the part where he punched his fighter in the face. Negligence can cause accidents but accidents can happen without negligence. If the argument is seriously "Duke Roufus is negligent because he doesn't keep his gaze straight forward all the time like batman" then maybe we just disagree
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 00:17 |
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mewse posted:Negligence can cause accidents but accidents can happen without negligence. Looking away while punching at a man who doesn't have much water in his body to cushion his brain is a bad idea. Did he get concussed? Maybe maybe not. Was it negligent? Yeah, a bit.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 00:27 |
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mewse posted:Negligence can cause accidents but accidents can happen without negligence. This is stupid. He definitely should be looking in the same direction he is punching. Especially if a fighter he coaches is right in front of him.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 00:28 |
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Dangersim posted:He staggered back. That's all it says. I didn't post more since the quote was long enough as is, but this is a known concussion that caused him to drop out of a later fight. The only thing new to the book is how it happened (Roufus was thinking about Pettis and neglecting the fighter about to fight). edit: here's from after the weigh-in quote:What Erik did not tell anyone that night was how, as he first looked up at the kaleidoscopic radiance of Times Square, he felt confused about where he was; about how he could not focus for long on a single point. We didn’t notice him swerving on the sidewalk, losing, for a brief moment, his balance. As we stared at a woman vomiting on New Jersey transit on our ride back to the hotel, we did not see Erik holding onto his seat as if there were some risk of it crumbling underneath him. eshock fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Nov 18, 2014 |
# ? Nov 18, 2014 01:14 |
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Duke roufus also had an anecdote about how "back in '07, we took anthony and sergio down for a boot camp with pat militech, and really gave them hell. They did great, and that's when I knew they were special." Sergio's 20 now, so seven years ago he'd have been... At the time, I thought he was shoehorning Sergio into one of Anthony's stories to talk both of them up, but maybe he really did take a 13 year old to a no holds barred boot camp.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 01:26 |
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People getting knocked the gently caress out and forced to spar far larger and more experienced people was a pretty common Miletich thing back in the day. Pat still talks about it fondly in interviews.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 01:30 |
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Even Roufus was saying poo poo was rough at Miletich.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 03:56 |
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Good thing Matt Hughes never had a brain to ruin.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 04:28 |
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Pat Miletich posted:When I first held the UFC title, I was a special guest at a kickboxing event in Chicago where a kid died. I was sitting ringside. I didn’t know the kid, but he got knocked down, got up, and then collapsed. The referee started counting—the kid was literally three feet from me, his head was turned toward me, and I saw his pupils go jet black. I climbed in between the ropes, pulled the kid’s mouthpiece out, and I told the referee, “Stop counting. This kid’s in trouble.”
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 04:34 |
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So rude of that weak rear end kid to die, but at least Pat learned an important lesson!
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 04:40 |
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Pat's a weirdo and he's absolutely convinced his 24/7 skull trauma routine is the only reason none of his teammates died
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 04:44 |
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Too many Pats. I had to scroll up to figure out if we were talking about dogtags-highfive Pat or welterweight-wedgie Pat.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 04:47 |
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Pat's logic is like shooting yourself with .22LR to develop an immunity to larger caliber rounds.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 04:48 |
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I saw a kid die so Imma punch some kids harder to make sure they dont die what who am I?!
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 06:23 |
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I am playing through the latest UFC game just now. It's way easier to get someone into a submission immediately after THEY take me down to the ground with a shoot - is this how it actually works in real life?
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# ? Dec 22, 2014 00:39 |
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There are a lot fights that have ended with someone diving into a guillotine or something like that, so sometimes yeah.
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