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Keiya posted:As far as I can tell what's happened is that there was an initial spark that ticked off both misogynists in gaming and those who are annoyed with ethics, and they've been playing tug-of-war over the name ever since, but both associating with it and by extension each other and it's a giant mess and gently caress it all. Don't be a dumb poo poo. There is not, and never was, ethics in game "journalism." It's always been about misogyny.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:26
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Can we... not have Gamergate get mixed up in the M:tG thread? I won't say that the argument is stupid or anything, and it is something I do have opinions on, but there really is a time and a place and this is not the place to argue over it.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:32
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The Lord of Hats posted:Can we... not have Gamergate get mixed up in the M:tG thread? I won't say that the argument is stupid or anything, and it is something I do have opinions on, but there really is a time and a place and this is not the place to argue over it. I respect your desire not to want to hear about it anymore, but why does the conversation need to be compartmentalized? I mean, the M:tG thread isn't the #GamerGate Helldump thread if there is such a thing, but I think we've all got at least some stake in the conversation, considering we're all gamers.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Can we... not have Gamergate get mixed up in the M:tG thread? I won't say that the argument is stupid or anything, and it is something I do have opinions on, but there really is a time and a place and this is not the place to argue over it. Seconded. Relevant: MTG writer wrecks his writing career because of his own stupidity relating to tweets about this poo poo. Kibler and others have epic comebacks that make him look even stupider. Not relevant: Arguing about the actual thing he got involved with.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:38
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:The irony is at this point I certainly don't and most others I would hazard also don't even know which sides there are any more? The ones who are against women and are for protecting the subculture that is gaming, or is that conflating the two, or are there people against those things? Yeah. And I don't want to derail the thread anymore, but that's basically the crux of the issue. Both "sides" have degenerated into parody. Are you a member of the side that hates women or the side that hates gamers? Well, no, actually. And the lines are so stark that the moment you criticize Zoe Quinn or Brianna Wu or any of the other people who have done some frankly shady poo poo, you are one of the degenerate ogres threatening to rape their critics to death (and being on the same "side" of any issue as those people makes my skin crawl). The moment you criticize the way women are depicted in games or even the way female video game developers are treated you are a SJW tumblr hipster conspiracist. I dunno, the whole thing is very toxic to me. I'm not trying to equivocate with some "truth is in the middle, both sides are wrong" stuff, obviously the people threatening to rape and murder their opponents are the most wrong, but it's hard to even have a conversation about this because the people I want to agree with, the "anti-GG" side I guess, assumes that each and every one of the thousands or millions of "gamergaters" is motivated purely by a hatred of women in general and women in gaming particularly, and the grossly inaccurate media coverage sustains this. The idea is ridiculous on its face and only someone totally hip-deep in the mire could actually accept such an assertion at face value. Even more so when the other side's belief is that their opponents are involved in a ridiculous conspiracy to oppress gamers. And then you see actual, no-holds-barred Elliot Rodger-level misogyny and actual, for-real collusion and it just validates these stupid assertions. Besides, the spectacle of idiot nerds trumpeting their moral superiority over what is basically a festering crevice in the Internet gets stale really fast. I'm not impressed by your great moral fortitude in condemning the guy who threatened Anita Sarkeesian with death, bro. I'm just sick of it and I'm sad that it's spilling over into Magic. born on a buy you posted:Don't be a dumb poo poo. There is not, and never was, ethics in game "journalism." It's always been about misogyny. This is exactly the kind of reductive  poo poo that has somehow, impossibly, caused the side that's opposed to raping their opponents to death to lose the moral high ground. Do you genuinely believe that thousands or millions of people simply hate women so much that it's spawned a massive media meltdown? Is that your final answer? It's a big problem I have with these kinds of ideological arguments in general: if you assume your opponent is a hate golem, there's no need to ever engage with them or their arguments.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:39
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MTG players like to think of their community as being full of smart people, but it's actually full of a bunch of big dumb idiots, and this is super upsetting to people who are invested in the appearance of their intellect especially re: deriving an identity from their hobby.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:39
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If Twitter existed in 1996 we'd probably have #magicgate trying to explain why their card game was in fact not devil worship and brainwashing. Actually, it's about ethics in Inquest magazine.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:39
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AnacondaHL posted:If Twitter existed in 1996 we'd probably have #magicgate trying to explain why their card game was in fact not devil worship and brainwashing. Dude, trigger warning. I actually had friends whose Moms trashed their entire collection after hearing about how Magic is full of demon-worshipping and sorcery.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:44
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Yeah. And I don't want to derail the thread anymore
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Nov 18, 2014 05:45
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It's a drat shame that all of the talk about, uh, EDH??? is getting derailed.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:46
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Spiderdrake posted:Dude the pack you just passed me REALLY doesn't signal that Yeah I had to get some stuff off my chest I guess. I was so upset the first time I heard people mention Gamergate at GP NJ that it really cast a pall over the weekend because I knew it was a foolish and vain hope but I was really, really hoping that somehow this corner of my life would remain isolated from it. Anyways the best way to stop talking about something is to stop talking about it. So: did anyone else read Frank Lepore's article on the All Creatures modern deck on TCGplayer? http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=12198 It's an adorable deck and I want to play it so bad. I've really been taking a break from Modern until January because UR Delver is so prominent, but with Treasure Cruise hopefully getting the axe and Modern Masters 2 on the horizon I am looking for a second deck. I already play Affinity though so I'm looking for something slower and more controlly.
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Nov 18, 2014 05:49
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If we're actually going to talk about it, it's pretty drat clear from even a cursory glance that gamergate is less about ethics in anything and more about pushback against the ways that gaming has started to lean left and an attempt to silence the people that call out terrible people on being terrible, which is why someone who was fired for publicly calling someone a human being thought it was relevant to toss his hat into the ring. Literally it's "Wah, it's no longer socially acceptable to call people faggots or use rape as a pejorative  "
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Froghammer posted:If we're actually going to talk about it, it's pretty drat clear from even a cursory glance that gamergate is less about ethics in anything and more about pushback against the ways that gaming has started to lean left and an attempt to silence the people that call out terrible people on being terrible, which is why someone who was fired for publicly calling someone a human being thought it was relevant to toss his hat into the ring. Please don't do this. Obviously the issue is deeper than a gross generalization. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RVlCvBd21w
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I bet games journalists are really minding their P's and Q's now, though. vvvv I shudder to think... in fact, I bet those Moms would be kicking themselves if they knew how much money some of those cards would be worth. That's junior's college fund!
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Nov 18, 2014 06:06
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Dungeon Ecology posted:Dude, trigger warning. I actually had friends whose Moms trashed their entire collection after hearing about how Magic is full of demon-worshipping and sorcery. I wonder how much power got wrecked this way.
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vOv posted:I wonder how much power got wrecked this way. The 90s were a strange time.
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rabidsquid posted:It's a drat shame that all of the talk about, uh, EDH??? is getting derailed. Scuttling Doom Engine in Scrap Savant: yay or nay? I like the Doom Engine but my brother says I'm overrating it. Cathodion consistently never got to use its effect for anything and was just a 3/3 for 3. I put in Etched Champion over it iirc. Or was it Scarecrone? I dunno, three-drop artifact dude is a pretty vague slot. Is 9 nonbasics too many for a Price of Progress? Considering half the deck is colorless I can load it with utility lands pretty easily.
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Elyv posted:Not only was it a bad set, its mechanics were unfun. Oh I have to sac lands and manaburn myself to do things?? Where do I sign up?! Yeah, there's only one card in that theme that I like, and that is Citadel of Pain. Because even without mana burn, you play it, and go "So you want to save mana for the end of my turn, huh? Well, for the end of your turn, I'm saving you a punch to the face!" Still, so glad we have Zendikar to do the "lands matter" theme right.
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Count Bleck posted:The 90s were a strange time. I always thought the moral panic over MTG was much more something Wizards feared would happen and took steps to prevent than anything that actually manifested. I remember my school banning Pokemon cards because gambling, but I don't remember anyone genuinely upset that kids were playing with demon cards, and I played in the 90s. And for Scrap Savant I'm loving Mirrorworks and Thopter Assembly, but I only have one Mirrorworks and it's way, way better in the white deck. I like having three SoFaF, attacking with a double striker, and then floating insane amounts of mana for Mobilization (especially with Cathar's Crusade).
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Scuttling Doom Engine in Scrap Savant: yay or nay? I like the Doom Engine but my brother says I'm overrating it. I like Doom Engine in Daretti, and also Feldon. There's nothing wrong with a 6/6 for 6 that goes over tiny men. There's also nothing wrong with tapping Feldon and making them every turn to catapult at your enemies, and then Weldering up something good, and then basically doing 12 damage for 3 mana.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I always thought the moral panic over MTG was much more something Wizards feared would happen and took steps to prevent than anything that actually manifested. I remember my school banning Pokemon cards because gambling, but I don't remember anyone genuinely upset that kids were playing with demon cards, and I played in the 90s. For me, it was a consequence of growing up in an area where the Church takes more of a front-seat role in the development of a community, and conservative values are instilled through them. So basically, the South.
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Now, this is probably going to come to absolutely nothing, or to something I get started on and then flake out on like the giant loser I am, but... I've been going over some of the CYOA threads in the Game Room, and thinking a bit about the setting... would people be at all interested in a CYOA set on one of the planes?
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Nov 18, 2014 06:18
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I've been thinking of trying to put together a sealed league at work. There's a ton of ideas on the internet, but I'm not sure which ones have actually panned out or worked well. Any recommendations for rules sets? Also signing cards? Still a thing in the average sealed league?
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AnacondaHL posted:Please don't do this. Obviously the issue is deeper than a gross generalization. lmao shithead
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Dungeon Ecology posted:For me, it was a consequence of growing up in an area where the Church takes more of a front-seat role in the development of a community, and conservative values are instilled through them. So basically, the South. Also, I distinctly remember seeing the Shandalar game on PC, and thinking it looked pretty cool. Shame I never got it, or I could have gotten a head start on my
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AnacondaHL posted:Please don't do this. Obviously the issue is deeper than a gross generalization. It's not, it has always been about misogyny, and you should strongly consider drinking bleach to wash the stupid out of yourself.
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Dungeon Ecology posted:Didn't they sort of do that with Mirrodin/New Phyrexia? I was always so sad that Mirrodin Pure was never a thing. I get that it was a totally unfeasible concept and they never really lied to their players about what was going to happen, but it's a cool idea. I am a bit sad that due to the nature of how blocks are designed we'll never get to do something like that for real.
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born on a buy you posted:It's not, it has always been about misogyny, and you should strongly consider drinking bleach to wash the stupid out of yourself. This is a well thought out, constructive post. You should be less subtle about it though, and just tell him to kill himself next time. Wasn't there a magic thread literally for this specific type of discussion at one point? Is it not still kicking around?
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:On Sunday I went 0-2 against UWR Stoneblade, 2-1 against Burn, 0-2 against Death & Taxes, and 0-2 against another Stoneblade. For those counting, that's 11 real matches and 10 different archetypes. Legacy is awesome, the GP was awesome, everyone should go to their LGS and ask for proxy legacy tournaments. I did exactly that at my most recent FNM, along with 3 or 4 other guys! I printed out some nice color proxies of a U/B Tezzeret deck and sleeved it up today, and I'm really hoping I get a chance to play it some time this week.
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Proxy Legacy owns, everyone should get a chance to play the best format. I wish Wizards would officially allow Legacy and Vintage tournaments to run proxies, but that's pretty much never going to happen. 
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I always thought the moral panic over MTG was much more something Wizards feared would happen and took steps to prevent than anything that actually manifested. I remember my school banning Pokemon cards because gambling, but I don't remember anyone genuinely upset that kids were playing with demon cards, and I played in the 90s. I went to a Christian school in 4th grade that banned pokemon because of demons or whatever. Then allowed this one Christian CCG with actual demons and angels and poo poo.
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So. I didn't want to bring this up before, because I didn't have a lot of evidence, but GP TBD is coming up and it's kind of a huge deal. To recap what we know: 1) May 30-31st, there will be three simultaneous GPs at three locations in the world: one in NA, one in APAC, one in Europe. The format of these is not precisely known. 2) The NA one is likely to be somewhere on the West Coast due to the sponsors (CF and Cascade). 3) Judge scuttlebutt is that they are preparing for ten thousand people at the US one alone. That combined with the West Coast thing means that it's an open secret it'll be in Vegas. 4) The format is Limited. 5) After this GP there will be a run of Modern constructed events. 6) The release of Dragons of Tarkir is in March-- EXTREMELY early for a spring set (barely two months after Fate Reforged). For reference, JiN was released on May 2nd. This heavily implies a May release of... something. 7) This is also just rumor, but apparently a judge was told "this is one GP where Judges will be VERY happy to be paid in boxes." This taken all together: Modern Masters 2 (or a re-release of 1, I've heard both) in May 2015, followed by three massive GPs of MM sealed. GET HYPE. DAD LOST MY IPOD fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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Tom Ross is known for playing Aggro decks well, but Infect isn't exactly an Aggro deck and he's also known to randomly show up and win an Invitational with, say, MeliraPod. And re: Tom signing cards. I haven't asked him to sign any cards at Rocket's Hideout myself, but from what I've seen he's generally happy to acquiesce to requests when people ask politely. DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Do you genuinely believe that thousands or millions of people simply hate women so much that it's spawned a massive media meltdown? Is that your final answer? It's a big problem I have with these kinds of ideological arguments in general: if you assume your opponent is a hate golem, there's no need to ever engage with them or their arguments. Nah, it's more that millions of gamers are unaware of how they benefit from sexism and are responding negatively to people pointing this out.  EDIT: Now, some of this results in outright misogyny and death/rape threats, or just casual sexism. There's nothing wrong with wanting to combat that.I understand people not wanting to discuss this in the Magic thread all the time, but it's still relevant. bhsman fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So. I didn't want to bring this up before, because I didn't have a lot of evidence, but GP TBD is coming up and it's kind of a huge deal. To recap what we know: I'm a thread shitter. We discussed this when they released the schedule, and yeah, the conclusion everyone has is this is the worst kept secret ever.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So. I didn't want to bring this up before, because I didn't have a lot of evidence, but GP TBD is coming up and it's kind of a huge deal. To recap what we know: Everyone I talk to is saying that it's MM2 or something else equally enticing and Vegas.
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bhsman posted:Nah, it's more that millions of gamers are unaware of how they benefit from sexism and are responding negatively to people pointing this out. This
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The Lord of Hats posted:Now, this is probably going to come to absolutely nothing, or to something I get started on and then flake out on like the giant loser I am, but... I've been going over some of the CYOA threads in the Game Room, and thinking a bit about the setting... would people be at all interested in a CYOA set on one of the planes? DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:I was always so sad that Mirrodin Pure was never a thing. I get that it was a totally unfeasible concept and they never really lied to their players about what was going to happen, but it's a cool idea. I am a bit sad that due to the nature of how blocks are designed we'll never get to do something like that for real. TheKingofSprings posted:Wasn't there a magic thread literally for this specific type of discussion at one point? Is it not still kicking around?
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