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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
Found it!
https://yougov.co.uk/profiler#/The_Simpsons

e: 25-39, favorite foods: steak, hotdogs, general interests: videogames, websites, online 50+ hours a week, niche interests: newspaper cartoons, most likely pet: cat, the entire personality section but particularly "I often treat myself to food that isn't good for me" ahahahaha one of the favorite brands is "vasoline"

should have sent a poet

CoolCab fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Nov 18, 2014

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Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

I've done the relevant research: Pickled Onion, Flaming Hot, Roast Beef

Pickled Onion is the left wing flavour.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Phoon posted:

I've done the relevant research: Pickled Onion, Flaming Hot, Roast Beef

Pickled Onion is the left wing flavour.
This needs to be in the OP

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Jedit posted:

That's what's depressing - we used to be so good at it. Truly the sun has set on the British Empire.

We've simply outsourced our slavery to maximise efficiency.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
(Central) Scotland is the video game capital of the UK.

Also apparently people who play video games are very left wing; and one of their interests is "sitting doing as little as possible". So pretty much they're talking about goons...

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Jose posted:

Miliband is probably going to cost Labour the election and I can't believe he's still head of the party. He's always appeared useless. Too late to change now though I suppose

I wouldn't doubt them throwing it tbh. Whoever gets in next term is going to be utterly hosed.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Gonzo McFee posted:

I wouldn't doubt them throwing it tbh. Whoever gets in next term is going to be utterly hosed.

This is silly. There's no point at which "being in power" is a drawback; even if we are on the precipice of a million time bombs, you still dictate discourse in power. It's never net beneficial to give up power.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

CoolCab posted:

This is silly. There's no point at which "being in power" is a drawback; even if we are on the precipice of a million time bombs, you still dictate discourse in power. It's never net beneficial to give up power.

Depends on if being in power for five years keeps you out for the following twenty.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Phoon posted:

I've done the relevant research: Pickled Onion, Flaming Hot, Roast Beef

Pickled Onion is the left wing flavour.

The gender difference for all of these is staggering. Women: stop stuffing your faces with monster munch.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

IceAgeComing posted:

(Central) Scotland is the video game capital of the UK.

Also apparently people who play video games are very left wing; and one of their interests is "sitting doing as little as possible". So pretty much they're talking about goons...

Thought this was a left unity joke before you said goons, laughed.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

The Telegraph has an article on Russell Brand's non-voting message.

It's surprisingly direct and also has some interesting points to make about historical youth voting patterns.

Also since they're on fine form, they also have an article laying into Band Aid and associated hypocrisies.

EmptyVessel
Oct 30, 2012
I have never claimed otherwise.

That yougov marketing tool* is really stupid though.
*Read the FAQ.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Gonzo McFee posted:

Depends on if being in power for five years keeps you out for the following twenty.

Eh, politics is a short term game. In the long run, we're all dead. Power lets you do things, be visible, be seen as "acting": bread and circus are even more appealing when you're poor enough to be hungry and bored. The worst economy in decades gave Obama two terms.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Umiapik posted:

gently caress's sake Ed, why didn't you take the opportunity to tell that pair of whingeing squillionaires exactly where they can stick their complaints about the mansion tax?

Because one of his advisors keeps telling him not to "rock the boat" or some poo poo. I'd love to know why he is so scared of having an opinion when the Mail and the Express are going to act like schoolyard bullies to him anyway. Guy has nothing to lose and everything to gain. It has to be someone close to him. I refuse to believe anyone is capable of being quite such a non-entity as he is without help.

The Lib dems complain about Tory policy more than Ed does.

In regards to Labour throwing the election, possibly for the second time, I reallllllly don't think that's a good idea when the Tories can essentially poison the countries chattering classes with even more negative bullshit. The solution to all the UK's woes is apparently punishment. Someone has to get punished. Poor people, check. Disabled, check. Immigrant, they're working on it. Five more years of that? May as well just give up now.

Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Nov 18, 2014

Shelf Adventure
Jul 18, 2006
I'm down with that brother

KKKlean Energy posted:

The gender difference for all of these is staggering. Women: stop stuffing your faces with monster munch.

Counter point: Women, never stop eating monster munch.

biglads
Feb 21, 2007

I could've gone to Blatherwycke



**SNACK UPDATE**

Aldi do a knock off of Monster Munch called Monster Claws. Same flavours, the spicy one is spicier.

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

EmptyVessel posted:

Wait, what? Are you saying that having £1k a month spare cash equates to being broke? Not sure I recognise the planet you live on.

No, I was commenting on the range of options offered in the yougov surveys and their implications. However, I would say that your financial position is at least somewhat precarious if you have substantially less than £1k left over each month after covering all your financial obligations and basic living expenses because that leaves any number of plausible but unforeseeable expenses that could tip you into the red. For example, last month I had to pay £400 for some work on my wife's car and £170 to replace some tiles on the roof.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

LemonDrizzle posted:

No, I was commenting on the range of options offered in the yougov surveys and their implications. However, I would say that your financial position is at least somewhat precarious if you have substantially less than £1k left over each month after covering all your financial obligations and basic living expenses because that leaves any number of plausible but unforeseeable expenses that could tip you into the red. For example, last month I had to pay £400 for some work on my wife's car and £170 to replace some tiles on the roof.

The median monthly income in the UK after tax and national insurance is £1,666. I think there's probably quite a lot of people with less than £1,000 spare every month.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

LemonDrizzle posted:

:words:

If that doesn't explain it satisfactorily, you could read this and the references therein: http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/uk-fiscal-policy-from-2015.html

Sorry for the delayed response, but the picture this blogger paints with his numbers could be quite misleading. I'm not surprised he can show a rosy deficit stabilisation picture because his starting point is "If we make the assumption that long run growth in nominal GDP is 4% a year".

If you compound GDP growth at 4% for 25 years, or even 60 years as he does in the bar chart, you could pay down enormous amounts of national debt just by economic growth, as he shows.

However the ONS shows that the UK has a post-WW2 annualised average of 2.6% which isn't much more than half of the figure he's using. I don't have growth rates at my fingertips, but I suspect (with the possible exception of the US) that all 'developed' economies would be quite happy with a rate of growth of 2%ish and to target a consistent 4% would be fantasy.

He massively overstates his case.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

LemonDrizzle posted:

No, I was commenting on the range of options offered in the yougov surveys and their implications. However, I would say that your financial position is at least somewhat precarious if you have substantially less than £1k left over each month after covering all your financial obligations and basic living expenses because that leaves any number of plausible but unforeseeable expenses that could tip you into the red. For example, last month I had to pay £400 for some work on my wife's car and £170 to replace some tiles on the roof.
It's not clear what the figure refers to, is it? It could well be how much is left after tax and rent.

quote:

The median monthly income in the UK after tax and national insurance is £1,666. I think there's probably quite a lot of people with less than £1,000 spare every month.
Right, and the average* rental cost is £811. Add in food, bills, and commuting costs and you could easily end up with a lot less than this.

I know a divorced guy who makes a bit more than £50,000 a year, ie near enough double the median income, and has less than £150 a month left after covering rent, child support, bills, food and commuting.



*I don't know which kind of average; I'm guessing the mean

Zephro fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Nov 18, 2014

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

Prince John posted:

However the ONS shows that the UK has a post-WW2 annualised average of 2.6% which isn't much more than half of the figure he's using. I don't have growth rates at my fingertips, but I suspect (with the possible exception of the US) that all 'developed' economies would be quite happy with a rate of growth of 2%ish and to target a consistent 4% would be fantasy.
The ONS figure is real GDP growth, whereas the blogger (who is, incidentally, a senior professor of economics at Oxford) is talking about nominal growth. The nominal annualised average would necessarily be much higher given the comparatively high inflation over that period.

e: based on the GDP figures for 1955-2012 here, nominal GDP growth since 1955 averaged ~8% per year.

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Nov 18, 2014

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Zephro posted:


I know a divorced guy who makes a bit more than £50,000 a year, ie near enough double the median income, and has less than £150 a month left after covering rent, child support, bills, food and commuting.





He lived radically outside his means.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

CoolCab posted:

He lived radically outside his means.

Theres a staggering amount of credit card debt there or I'll eat my hat.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

CoolCab posted:

He lived radically outside his means.
He sort of does. The main expense is rent on a two-bed flat in the South East (I think it costs him something like £1,100 a month), but moving to a one-bed place or a room in a shared house would mean his kids could never come and see him. Combine that with child support and that's more than half the monthly income gone already, before you've paid council tax, season ticket, food, bills etc.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

I suppose a one bed flat with sofa bed / camp bed for alternate weekends is out of the question?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Cerv posted:

I suppose a one bed flat with sofa bed / camp bed for alternate weekends is out of the question?

Yes, it is. To have your kids stay with you they have to be able to sleep in a private room that isn't yours.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Gonzo McFee posted:

Depends on if being in power for five years keeps you out for the following twenty.

Pretty sad if Labour don't have the self confidence as a party to think that they can run the country well enough to be elected a second time. Clearly the Tories don't see losing the next general election as an important part of their long term strategy.

EmptyVessel
Oct 30, 2012

LemonDrizzle posted:

No, I was commenting on the range of options offered in the yougov surveys and their implications. However, I would say that your financial position is at least somewhat precarious if you have substantially less than £1k left over each month after covering all your financial obligations and basic living expenses because that leaves any number of plausible but unforeseeable expenses that could tip you into the red. For example, last month I had to pay £400 for some work on my wife's car and £170 to replace some tiles on the roof.

Hahaha, this is great, I was right in the first place (and I'm dum).
You have no idea how well off you are (2 cars eh? sweet) nor quite how precarious the financial position of a great many actually is. (Hint - some of us have an income of less than £1000 a month to start with?)

twoot
Oct 29, 2012

Only the best from the UJM

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Someone hold IDS down and tattoo that on his face.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

hookerbot 5000 posted:

The median monthly income in the UK after tax and national insurance is £1,666. I think there's probably quite a lot of people with less than £1,000 spare every month.

I think people are getting confused between having £1000 surplus on each month's wages and having more than £1000 in the bank at the end of each month, which are two very different things. AFAICT the ONS number is surplus, not savings.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Jedit posted:

Yes, it is. To have your kids stay with you they have to be able to sleep in a private room that isn't yours.

Wow who made that stupid rule?

EmptyVessel
Oct 30, 2012
More than £1000 in the bank at the end of the month?
Man, the comedy never stops.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Cerv posted:

Wow who made that stupid rule?

It probably depends a lot on the age of the kids, also to do with maintaining levels of normality for them. If your parents are divorced and you live half the week in a home with your own bedroom and all the 'normal' creature comforts then half the week sharing a room with your other parent (possibly of the different sex) then it's not going to really help family relationships.

(And the opposite sex thing isn't to imply dodginess - just that people need privacy. Teenage boys/girls aren't going to want to share a room with their mum/dad.)

Edit: Sorry, misread and thought a shared flat was suggested.

hookerbot 5000 fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Nov 18, 2014

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?

LemonDrizzle posted:

The ONS figure is real GDP growth, whereas the blogger (who is, incidentally, a senior professor of economics at Oxford) is talking about nominal growth. The nominal annualised average would necessarily be much higher given the comparatively high inflation over that period.

e: based on the GDP figures for 1955-2012 here, nominal GDP growth since 1955 averaged ~8% per year.

poo poo, sorry LemonDrizzle, hurried work posting is bad posting. He wrote an interesting post about the overall fiscal mandate that I've just discovered here, in case you haven't seen it.

Edgar Quintero
Oct 5, 2004

POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS
DO NOT GIVE HEROIN
posted on the Bugle Podcast's Facebook group:

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Mary Seacole was way better than Nightingale, hth

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

EmptyVessel posted:

Wait, what? Are you saying that having £1k a month spare cash equates to being broke? Not sure I recognise the planet you live on.

...

You have no idea how well off you are (2 cars eh? sweet) nor quite how precarious the financial position of a great many actually is. (Hint - some of us have an income of less than £1000 a month to start with?)
I think perhaps I expressed myself unclearly or you have got the wrong end of the stick. I would certainly say that you're financially comfortable if your monthly post-tax income exceeds your monthly living expenses - food, housing costs, bills, and so on - by £1k or more. I would also say your situation is uncomfortable if your monthly surplus could be wiped out by a relatively small unforeseen expense of a few hundred pounds.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Communocracy posted:

posted on the Bugle Podcast's Facebook group:



Yesss how do we make this the new santorum?

EmptyVessel
Oct 30, 2012
^^^Use it a lot in everyday conversation?

LemonDrizzle posted:

I think perhaps I expressed myself unclearly or you have got the wrong end of the stick. I would certainly say that you're financially comfortable if your monthly post-tax income exceeds your monthly living expenses - food, housing costs, bills, and so on - by £1k or more. I would also say your situation is uncomfortable if your monthly surplus could be wiped out by a relatively small unforeseen expense of a few hundred pounds.

Tell me more about this thing you call 'surplus' :allears:

Putting this link here again as it seems some of you have a problem understanding how poverty works and how just being poor can cost you more.

('Comfortable', has there ever been a better word to illustrate the disconnect between poor and well off mind sets? I consider myself pretty drat comfortable even though I am currently wearing biker longjohns cos it's cheaper than running the central heating but that would be soo unacceptable to those only marginally better off.)

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LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead
I can't tell whether you're doing some kind of bizarre solo version of the four yorkshiremen sketch or whether you genuinely believe that living hand to mouth in a badly heated home and having no buffer with which to cover unanticipated expenses or save for the future constitutes financial comfort.

Either way, I guess we're not going to agree. I also suppose that by your definition we should be writing to George Osborne to congratulate him for bringing comfort to so many people over the last few years.

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