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Army air cav (cav scout) is trying to justify its existence until the inevitable happens. They will all get rotated to Korea, draw down, then get deactivated as everyone is sent to supplement the CABs. The 'attack reconnaissance' community will have a fun time integrating with the attack guys and the utility guys will just laugh. 58s are awesome but the 64 can easily fill that niche.
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 06:30 |
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# ? Jun 10, 2024 12:27 |
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58s are useless Their engines are poo poo. They lose any strength they had there with the mandatory equipping of CMWS in Afghanistan. They carry, I believe, 300rds .50cal and something like 8 or 9 rockets. Pilots draw an "x" with a grease pencil on the front glass to aim their .50cals and rockets. The optics (that drat ball on top) they use are ~10 years older than the Apache's. Kiowas were meant to scout enemy tanks for apaches to hellfire from 6-8km away. Apaches' FLIR finds bad guys better than anything kiowas can do. They fly low, act like literal cowboys, blow their ammo load in 2 gun runs having scared nobody, then fire the 9 mils into the dirt and jerk each off about it in the debrief. Then the apaches come back 6 hours later with an 8 hour gun tape footage of clearing a mountainside with a half dozen hellfires and several hundred 30mm rounds. Half of which they found on their own and half from ISR handoff via laser or something else. Kiowa FLIR "gun tape" footage looks like pong. That poo poo was barely enough to catch the heat off tanks. The role of air cav could be filled by a modern airframe with modern equipment. But we keep loving that up by giving candidates away to foreign militaries.The OH58D is DOA in the cav role since we have UAVs and AH64Ds. Especially in the thin air of Afghanistan. I guess we won't always be there but w/e. The problem is not the OH58D, but the system that "works" by continuing to send them overseas and allow pilots to go near the things. The problem is the OH58D pilots themselves, who are so butthurt at their lack of battlefield utility that they fly and work more recklessly than MEDEVAC pilots, and without any possible reward, eg retrieving an urgent casualty from a TIC. The OH58D pilot community is by and large angry babies that hate the army, think they're hot poo poo (remember: air cav), and poo poo on everyone else to distract from their uselessness in any fight. Doesn't matter; kiowas are out by 2018. http://www.army.mil/article/135986/Aviation_Restructure_Initiative__OH_58D_personnel_transition_plan_under_way/
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 08:32 |
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I apologize for killing this thread twice in two pages.
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 16:58 |
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Zeris posted:I apologize for killing this thread twice in two pages.
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 17:02 |
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Zeris posted:They fly low, act like literal cowboys, blow their ammo load in 2 gun runs having scared nobody, then fire the 9 mils into the dirt and jerk each off about it in the debrief. First time we had a SWT rolling with us was pretty fun. Front row at our own private air show. Then it became clear they were reckless, useless idiots.
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 19:56 |
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iKon posted:First time we had a SWT rolling with us was pretty fun. Front row at our own private air show. Then it became clear they were reckless, useless idiots. My first deployment we had SWT all the drat time. Not much for firepower but that camera helped us out a few times.
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 23:17 |
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boots gonna boot
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 23:19 |
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TACP airman joins ranks of military's most decoratedquote:Master Sgt. Thomas Case, a tactical air control party airman, has joined the ranks of the military's most decorated troops. I know AARs and debriefs mean nothing against the actual events of a TIC but holy hell, this is some Hurt Locker crap in the report. Also lol quote:This is really for my career field. I firmly believe that, of the other certified JTACs, I'm almost positive that 98 percent plus of them would have done what I did. I just went to work that night."
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# ? Nov 15, 2014 23:24 |
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That guy is cooler than me.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 00:20 |
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jesus christ
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 00:28 |
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at the date posted:jesus christ Which one is he banging?
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 01:22 |
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Flikken posted:Which one is he banging? Jesus was a virgin
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 01:26 |
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Cole posted:Jesus was a virgin The son of God definitely hosed someone.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 01:28 |
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What a dope rear end pickup line that must have been
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 01:29 |
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Flikken posted:Which one is he banging? both
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 01:38 |
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acus really are the worst goddam uniform
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 01:46 |
Cole posted:What a dope rear end pickup line that must have been worked for david koresh for a bit
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 01:50 |
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Think he will hate gently caress her for misspelling sergeant.?
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 01:53 |
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Flikken posted:Think he will hate gently caress her for misspelling sergeant.? she joined the army for a reason dude
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 02:44 |
Cole posted:she joined the army for a reason dude The military is an all you can suck dick buffet for women.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 02:51 |
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:The military is an equal opportunity all you can suck dick buffet. fixed for accuracy
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 02:52 |
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Can't wait to read about a line platoon getting the herp from their new 13F, and the safety stand down that follows.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 14:25 |
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TPSDude posted:Can't wait to read about a line platoon getting the herp from their new 13F, and the safety stand down that follows. Is 13F open to all genders now? What are 13 series MOS?? Please say 13B please please
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 17:20 |
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Gonna bring a whole new meaning to "fister" lol
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 19:18 |
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looks like the rock hard sisters want a big ole ffe.
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# ? Nov 16, 2014 19:59 |
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Zeris posted:Is 13F open to all genders now? Big army came through Ft. Hood in early 2014 collecting data on feasibility for a possible implementation this fiscal year, and the big take away was that company and below is a no/maybe, and BN/above ok; we have female medics running with line platoons now, just a matter of time with radios / laser range finders getting smaller and lighter. EDIT: I should also add that when our BN targeting NCO was at SLC mid 2014, his class was pretty upset hearing it was going to happen and how they are going to have to figure out manning when it does. This is going to kill 13F unfortunately, the MOS is already filled with way to many reclasses that do not know how to do the job. Specifically the glut of E7 re-classes that are preventing 13F E6s from making rank, of which my bn has been plagued with. TPSDude fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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TPSDude posted:Naw, still closed. The reclass thing is news to me, but 13F skills were on the decline when I was in. Granted, this was the height of Iraq and focus was just shifting over to Afghanistan, but GMLRS and Excalibur missions were so rare (good luck w/ a BN 6 or a ffe on my position situation overseas) that we were sent as either patrol fodder or company level intelligence. The smartest thing the army could possibly do is assign mil intelligence duties to a FO. Totally compatible. So the aspect of training on spotting and adjustment fell to the way side while emphasis was placed on baseball cards and other poo poo that would have been better served by beefing up the bn S-2 and pushing those assets where needed. I never sat in the cool dude mountains of Afghanistan, but my peeps that did said that they were running relatively mobile OPs while attached to maneuver elements. So those skills theoretically didn't decline, but there was a significant gap for a few years where most observers I knew were not recerted every six months as required and the GUARDFIST facilities gathered dust. gently caress, some of the dumb poo poo Joes that I was fortunate to get around '07 had not spotted a live artillery round until one of our CALFEXes months deep into our training cycle. Probably the only good thing that was done for the MOS was the emphasized JFO course, but that only came about because the JTACs got tired of their high tempo deployment schedule of six on and twelve off. poo poo was bad, and I'm honestly surprised that there are people reclassing INTO 13F. I assume it's a combo of manpower needs and easy promotion potential, correct? Fucitol fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Fucitol posted:The reclass thing is news to me, but 13F skills were on the decline when I was in. Granted, this was the height of Iraq and focus was just shifting over to Afghanistan, but GMLRS and Excalibur missions were so rare (good luck w/ a BN 6 or a ffe on my position situation overseas) that we were sent as either patrol fodder or company level intelligence. The smartest thing the army could possibly do is assign mil intelligence duties to a FO. Totally compatible. So the aspect of training on spotting and adjustment fell to the way side while emphasis was placed on baseball cards and other poo poo that would have been better served by beefing up the bn S-2 and pushing those assets where needed. It is 100% the low promotion points.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 00:37 |
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FA is already aligned with S2 though as all spot reports and tgt descriptions are passed to them at BN level. I didn't get a shot at Iraq, but the ghan was all about smoking hills, and hitting dumb fucks with HE when I was there, but I've met some FO's from other units that were used as RTO's and 240 ammo mules since their commander would never trust FA. The problem is the lack of training due to NCO's that do not know how to train their subordinates since they never did line time and do not know how to create a proper training plan or NCO's promoted before they've learned their line jobs and are now in charge of training new soldiers. Things are supposed to get better with the plan to run all people through JFO, but at the end of the day JFO's can't control CAS, they only aid the JTACS in targeting. The MOS was overstrength for a few months and is now back at balanced, but manning is still hosed up, in my heavy mech maneuver battalion we run skeleton crews in our BFISTs of 2 enlisted one O. No dismount FOs for the infantry platoons/scouts, and god help trying to process CFF from 11Bs, 19Ds, or officers to fill the gap. Without the line FOs to teach their unit CFF during Hip pocket training you get dumb poo poo like people using cardinal direction for their observer direction for adjustment. gently caress, reading a map is still magic to most maneuver enlisted. Equine Don posted:It is 100% the low promotion points.
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 03:21 |
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One on the left would hit
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# ? Nov 17, 2014 17:03 |
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Ashmole posted:One on the left would hit would smash both the guy in the hat can watch and mayb play wit my balls
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 01:04 |
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Ashmole posted:One on the left would hit yeah with a hammer lol seriously, though, if you were forced to choose, you would go with the one on the left? weirdo
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 04:53 |
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at the date posted:yeah with a hammer lol I would just choose both Anyone here says they haven't tagged something worse is either lying, gay or a dickless virgin.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 04:56 |
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like youd have to tempt the lefty with an apple first cuz she got a mr ed face goin on but yea would smash from the back
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 05:05 |
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they make horse blinders for women, right?
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 05:43 |
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Patriot Act. Put a flag over her head and say you did it for your country.
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# ? Nov 18, 2014 15:22 |
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Update on that thing nobody wants to hear about, my former squadron commander who knocked a kid to the floor in the process of "preventing the filming of two lesbian officers kissing at a military ball" Former Fort Drum officer sues Army, claims unlawful punishment following incident at 2012 ball
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Zeris posted:Update on that thing nobody wants to hear about, my former squadron commander who knocked a kid to the floor in the process of "preventing the filming of two lesbian officers kissing at a military ball" An LTC getting an article 15? That schadenfreude is weapons-grade. e: of course the morons are jumping at the chance make him a martyr. http://www.thomasmore.org/news/deco...ederal-lawsuit/
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Icon Of Sin posted:An LTC getting an article 15? That schadenfreude is weapons-grade. You should look at my facebook feed. It's the "I'm Spartacus!" scene on repeated.
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