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oval office AND PASTE posted:someone please go take a good hard look at gedit 3.14. it's not perfect (plugins lol) but it gets some things really right can gedit open files with nul bytes in them yet?
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the usual systemd supporter response of "submit bug reports, it's open source, etc etc" is bogus. systemd developers and supporters are trying (and unfortunately mostly succeeding) to make systemd an unavoidable dependency of running a linux system, through for example encouraging the practice of daemons talking to systemd directly via proprietary systemd interfaces (therefore making them unportable). this is absolutely unacceptable. the whole argument is about not having to use systemd (or dbus. or glibc.) at all, in any form.
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oval office AND PASTE posted:if you can't adapt to new workflows, you are not a power user, you are inflexible and broken and no screaming of notorious_bsd.txt
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k-zed posted:systemd developers and supporters are trying (and unfortunately mostly succeeding) to make systemd an unavoidable dependency of running a linux system, through for example encouraging the practice of daemons talking to systemd directly via proprietary systemd interfaces (therefore making them unportable). this is absolutely unacceptable. it's foss, anyone writing their own init daemon could duplicate them
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oval office AND PASTE posted:someone please go take a good hard look at gedit 3.14. it's not perfect (plugins lol) but it gets some things really right my gedit is only 3.10 but it still chokes on large files that vim handles fine
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:my gedit is only 3.10 but it still chokes on large files that vim handles fine why are you opening large files in an editor
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to search through them in a quicker and easier way than a bunch of greps
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k-zed posted:the usual systemd supporter response of "submit bug reports, it's open source, etc etc" is bogus. amazing how the people impotently whining about systemd consistently lack the wherewithal to make their own alternate, or fork, or even patchset that fixes their perceived problem and would rather focus on being boilerplate-laden shell script warriors in comment threads and mailing lists in hopes of forcing someone else to do their work for them its almost as if the people with any background on the matter already agree that systemd is good also source your quotes Progressive JPEG fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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k-zed posted:systemd developers and supporters are trying (and unfortunately mostly succeeding) to make systemd an unavoidable dependency of running a linux system, through for example encouraging the practice of daemons talking to systemd directly via proprietary systemd interfaces (therefore making them unportable). this is absolutely unacceptable. Here are a list of the "proprietary interfaces", their specifications, and whether another project can reimplement them: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/InterfacePortabilityAndStabilityChart/
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Progressive JPEG posted:its almost as if the people with any background on the matter already agree that systemd is good
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Soricidus posted:sounds like emacs when properly configured (ie the terrible menu bar disabled), except emacs doesn't bother trying not to scare grandma because it knows grandma will never use desktop linux grandma will never accidentally sstumble across emacs so no its not really the same thing at all
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are the beards actually agitating for a "forced breakup" of systemd? like, they're literally trying to apply antitrust discourse to a free project? lmao
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jeff k lookin kinda rough these days
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oval office AND PASTE posted:grandma will never accidentally sstumble across emacs so no its not really the same thing at all grandma will never accidentally stumble across gnome 3 either. unless you've got a windows/mac app in the wings. e: actually iOS app because lol at making ur poor ol' granny use any of that poo poo.
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oval office AND PASTE posted:grandma will never accidentally sstumble across emacs so no its not really the same thing at all mine wont stumble across either. because she's dead.
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wow, great post, its like you really tried to relate what i said without taking it completely literally
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my grandmas are both dead as well. oval office and paste u are SUPER insensitive to think everyone has a grandma to give desktop linux to
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Gazpacho posted:jeff k lookin kinda rough these days lol
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eschaton posted:it's like launchd but not as good because it doesn't have Mach underneath idk what launchd is but I do know that mach is bad
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even if gnome 3 were the most intuitive beginner-friendly just-works os that will ever be created in all of human history, it would still be the wrong choice for grandma because the most important thing, for a non-technical user who is not interested in learning to computer and just wants to keep an address list and see photos of the great-grandkids, is for it to be easy to find someone to help you with it the right os for grandma is windows, unless she lives within easy reach of an apple store in which case os x becomes an option. grandma is irrelevant to linux. the only market for linux is nerds, programmers and sysadmins.
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asking grandma to edit fstab to get a 2nd hard drive to work
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Soricidus posted:grandma logging onto ubuntu forums to ask for help configuring her text editor at least it's not emacs --somebody, unironically, this thread
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Soricidus posted:grandma logging onto ubuntu forums to ask for help configuring her text editor because it's also her email client 
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me: hey grandma how's the computer grandma: I seem to have a race condition in my sysvinit scripts, can you fix that please
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Phoenixan posted:grandma always has race conditions
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carry on then posted:because it's also her email client You have a weird granny.
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c ssl tinkering s: i think i got this poo poo as good as it's going to get w/o saying 'gently caress you' to half the internet https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=sniep.net i guess i could set up OCSP stapling.. meh
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so let me get this straight that dude wrote a huge rear end long tldr article whining about 'how hard' ssl is beacuse he... doesn't know poo poo about ssl or how to configure it? i should write an article like that about how hard it is to make LSD because i dont know poo poo about chemistry
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Shaggar posted:idk what launchd is but I do know that mach is bad no, see, you're wrong, Mach is good ask Microsoft's Rick Rashid
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install linux for your grandma. when she asks for help, call her a loving noob and tell her to search it up herself because it's been asked a thousand times before
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the problem with ssl is it tries to be all things to all people and generally has way too many knobs on it (much like your mother etc etc) something that important should be a lot easier to lock down by virtue of not supporting a whole bunch of bogus configurations also CAs are a loving racket but you knew that already if you require somebody to be competent and give a gently caress while setting things up to be secure then guess what, 99% of the internet is going to be insecure because the people whose job it is to secure poo poo are, more often than not, doing the absolute minimum possible amount of work they can to not get fired (or "managed out", whatever) supposedly NaCL is the new hotness crypto-wise, but that's a library for replacing PGP, not SSL, and anyway it uses a totally hardcoded ciphersuite that also happens to be brand new and sorely lacking much of a proven track record so once somebody discovers an attack for it ur hosed
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pseudorandom name posted:computers don't come with two hard drives actually mine did. sorry you bought a poor person computer that didnt come with raid ssds
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my imac (running apple macintosh operating system 10.10 yosemite) came with two hard drives
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