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Notorious b.s.d. posted:once i worked on both in the same application. (pls do not ask about that) Please tell me about it. I also want to get the gently caress out of Ruby and pick up some Java or C# but it seems like an entirely different world. I'd contribute to an open source project, but everything on Github for Java seems to be either Android garbage or something like Elasticsearch which has a million lines of code and I have no clue where to start. Basically I am really astoundingly bad at jumping into and working on projects that are not work related.
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triple sulk posted:Please tell me about it. oh so you require monetary motivation
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Nov 19, 2014 03:41
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doing what you love for a living is a great way to make you hate what you used to love
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it is unbelievable to me that i used to write code for fun, much less contribute to open source, after work. nowadays the only time i write any fun stuff for myself is when i am between jobs or on an extended vacation
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Nov 19, 2014 03:57
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triple sulk posted:Please tell me about it. triple sulk posted:I also want to get the gently caress out of Ruby and pick up some Java or C# but it seems like an entirely different world. I'd contribute to an open source project, but everything on Github for Java seems to be either Android garbage or something like Elasticsearch which has a million lines of code and I have no clue where to start. Basically I am really astoundingly bad at jumping into and working on projects that are not work related. start with something that you have domain expertise in you have written shitloads of bad webapps, so why not look at a java web thing
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write a confluence plugin to replace all "m"s with "rn"s
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make a java web app that gives pug breeders a centralized place to sell their pugs
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Nov 19, 2014 04:23
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Papes posted:make a java web app that gives pug breeders a centralized place to sell their pugs ewwww java that doesn't sound very agile otoh neither do the pugs
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AlsoD posted:a nontrivial part of haskell (as I'd imagine any language unless you want to reimplement everything yourself) is looking through relevant libraries for a function that does what you want. try the search engine https://www.fpcomplete.com/hoogle or hayoo (remember to limit your search to the package parsec and even the version if you're using an old one) by the way thank you for this, and the psots above. I feel like im getting somewhere (with the language in general) at least. It really doesnt sink in until i start using it, as opposed to just reading about it
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Nov 19, 2014 04:44
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triple sulk posted:Please tell me about it. i was a judge at a hackathon recently and based on what the entrants wrote, 'like x, but with y' and 'solve something with yo' are endless grounds for new ideas.
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Nov 19, 2014 05:24
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Papes posted:make a java web app that gives pug breeders a centralized place to sell their pugs this is the sample/reference app that has shipped with java for many years http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/index-136650.html
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Nov 19, 2014 05:34
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rotor posted:doing what you love for a living is a great way to make you hate what you used to love rather that vs doing what i love and not making any money, or starting off doing something i hate and continuing to hate it for the rest of my life
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Nov 19, 2014 05:54
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Captain Foo posted:sounds like ur bad at programming, lol
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Nov 19, 2014 09:48
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fritz posted:i was a judge at a hackathon recently and based on what the entrants wrote, 'like x, but with y' and 'solve something with yo' are endless grounds for new ideas. Code reviews... But with the blockchain
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Nov 19, 2014 13:22
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rotor posted:doing what you love for a living is a great way to make you hate what you used to love i only love programming because i can make a living doing it
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Nov 19, 2014 15:22
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Seaside Loafer posted:i did cobol for 5 years years ago, here let me show you the not at all to much typing required syntax for a 1 to 10 for loop how do you not have a job just go advertise on monster or linkedin or something
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Nov 19, 2014 15:57
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Seaside Loafer posted:wish some fucker would offer me some niche part time contract to bug fix thier stuff, id make a mint, must be one of last surviving experts in that poo poo cobol skills are not that rare. a lot of cobol shops hire fresh grads and train them on the spot.
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Dont banks pay good money for Cobol and Fortran programmers to upkeep all their precious legacy systems
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Valeyard posted:Dont banks pay good money for Cobol and Fortran programmers to upkeep all their precious legacy systems idk about good money but it's about as secure as you can get
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code exercises are dumb sometimes i think. just did one and my feedback is "well we wish you had reimplemented some of the algorithms" well maybe you should have noted that specifically? i don't get the thought process that says "its more valuable for someone to regurgitate algorithms than to use the most efficient method of solving the problem", especially when its timed and especially when the exercise has absolutely no relation to the business or title.
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or maybe i'm just a lovely programmer and i should stick to web design or nepotism
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i spoke with a guy that did interviews and asked him if he thought that doing tech interviews without any tools is representative of their ability to code with eclipse et al and he said that yes he did
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AlsoD posted:i spoke with a guy that did interviews and asked him if he thought that doing tech interviews without any tools is representative of their ability to code with eclipse et al and he said that yes he did aslkfdjashsfk;sajfs
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AlsoD posted:i spoke with a guy that did interviews and asked him if he thought that doing tech interviews without any tools is representative of their ability to code with eclipse et al and he said that yes he did i'm pretty sure this industry gets the people it deserves sure lets create a process that incentivizes bringing in people who are turbospergs who are too clever for their own good, that's a great way to create maintainable and reliable code
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AlsoD posted:i spoke with a guy that did interviews and asked him if he thought that doing tech interviews without any tools is representative of their ability to code with eclipse et al and he said that yes he did lol same with coding course exams in uni
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it's like asking a carpenter, who is going to be employed building furniture, to carve you a broach to prove that they can work with wood
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Seaside Loafer posted:i did cobol for 5 years years ago, here let me show you the not at all to much typing required syntax for a 1 to 10 for loop how does it differ in the object oriented variant, ADD 1 TO COBOL?
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Never saw it thank god. The primary reason for keeping some of those codebases is the legacy stuff but some people dont understand why. I can give you 2 good examples of worthwhile legacy code being maintained ive seen in my career, and 1 very bad one. Good examples: 1) I worked on an military aircraft simulator project and the brains of the simulator were in an ancient 6 foot tall computer less powefull that your phone probably that parts for were worth a fortune. Its code base was in FORTRAN. Now at first you might think 'fucks sake just convert it to something modern' but the problem is the amount of certification required to sign off a new codebase as functional for a goverment project, it requires massive amounts of testing and checking and certificates, especially with anything airplane related etc etc etc. It was a valid cost benifit analysis to keep this poo poo. So I know for a fact that a certain RAF base in the UK is running its simulator on 30 year old FORTRAN code on a computer that may well be older than some of you. Its not just a case of copying the code to a new language. 2) Banking/Finance systems. The business logic in there is indeed very complicated and suffers from the same problems as example 1. It must work, properly, all the time, the certifications are endless, you cant really be releasing patch 1.09 after 10 million quid has dissapered. The legacy business logic has long had its problems worked out and everyone is terrified of changing things because of the amount of investment that would be required. The old 'if it aint broke dont fix it' clause. Bad example: 1) My very last COBOL job around 2001/2002 ish was to convert a retail COBOL system to visual basic. Then they decided they wanted to keep the business logic and data layer in COBOL. I said the business logic here isnt really very complicated, you have a chance you modernise here, additionally the effort of keeping that trivial logic in COBOL is going to be as much if not more effort than than re-writing it in visual basic and sql server, thats pretty much what those things are for. They made me do it the bad way anyway and they went out of business 6 months after i left with the costs of the completly failed project. Gosh that was long.
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I wouldn't mind if Fortran was just used for spiffy math functions, then embed into a C++ or C# app for the integration. Did someone write a Fortran compiler for JVM yet?
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AlsoD posted:i spoke with a guy that did interviews and asked him if he thought that doing tech interviews without any tools is representative of their ability to code with eclipse et al and he said that yes he did sorry, if you can't write code outside of an ide, you can't write code
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Nov 19, 2014 20:29
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b0lt posted:sorry, if you can't write code outside of an ide, you can't write code some people value skills other than memorization of frameworks
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Nov 19, 2014 20:48
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b0lt posted:sorry, if you can't write code outside of an ide, you can't write code lol there are people who probably believe this
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Nov 19, 2014 21:31
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b0lt posted:can write code  Is this some sort of Schrodingers coding?
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Nov 19, 2014 21:38
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triple sulk posted:Please tell me about it.
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Nov 19, 2014 22:10
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b0lt this is supposed to be a safe zone for bad programmers, get out.
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if you cant write machine code by hand you don't really know how to code
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b0lt posted:sorry, if you can't write code outside of an ide, you can't write code it's not too different from needing to read documentation to write code. unless you don't need that either then I'm worse than I imagined
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just lol if you havent memorized your lang of choices entire stl
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In interviews I've been in on, I've always been prepared to count an answer as correct if the person says, "I don't know, but I'd look here to find out." Nobody ever does.
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lol if you've memorized anything more than your ssn and keep rear end password in this the year of our lord 2012
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