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They sent it to the Supreme Court yesterday begging for a stay. That they still haven't responded to it means they give as much of a poo poo about it as the other states that tried to pull that last-minute desperation.
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Apthous posted:This gay marriage thing is when we put all the gay people in ghettos and the invade Russia right? Seriously, what is your deal here?
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:The West is the Best Even though I was born in NYC, and I've never had In'n'Out, I'll have to agree that West Coast = Best Coast now 
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Morter posted:Even though I was born in NYC, and I've never had In'n'Out, I'll have to agree that West Coast = Best Coast now Nothing south of Virginia matters, so I'd say the coasts are about equal.
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To add to the good news, NOM did not do well last year: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/11/19/the_national_organization_for_marriage_has_collapsed_into_debt.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top Link to the financial report: http://nationformarriage.org/financial-reports/nom-990-2013-redacted.pdf
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Nov 20, 2014 00:53
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quote:NOM raised $5.1 million last year. Two donors accounted for more than half of that money. Who the gently caress has $2.5 million to waste on making other people unhappy with no benefit for themselves?
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ColdPie posted:Who the gently caress has $2.5 million to waste on making other people unhappy with no benefit for themselves? Rich people can be shitheads I guess 
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ColdPie posted:Who the gently caress has $2.5 million to waste on making other people unhappy with no benefit for themselves? People like the Kochs or Waltons would need multiple accountants to notice if they misplaced 2.5 million dollars.
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ColdPie posted:Who the gently caress has $2.5 million to waste on making other people unhappy with no benefit for themselves? I'll put it to you this way: Let's say you currently have ~$10,000 on hand at the moment between checking/savings/cash in your wallet/etc. The Koch brothers have a net worth of roughly $37 billion. You donating $1 (0.01% of your net worth) is still a higher % of total net worth then the Kochs' donating $2.5 million (.0069% of their net worth). Income discrepancy, yo. The rich have cash to burn on stupid poo poo like this. Sydin fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Nov 20, 2014 03:42
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Rich people spending that much due to their personal ideals is a myth. They do it as favors for politicians who are doing it to get votes. Then the politicians would return the favor by making them more money, like, say, dismantling regulations. Rich people don't spend money like lottery winners. They spend money to make more money. Otherwise they'd be poor by now. The moment politicians couldn't get votes by doing poo poo like this is the moment the money stops flowing since it's no longer needed.
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Nov 20, 2014 04:25
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wid posted:Rich people spending that much due to their personal ideals is a myth. They do it as favors for politicians who are doing it to get votes. Then the politicians would return the favor by making them more money, like, say, dismantling regulations. Rich people don't spend money like lottery winners. They spend money to make more money. Otherwise they'd be poor by now. Nope.
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Nov 20, 2014 05:48
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wid posted:Rich people spending that much due to their personal ideals is a myth. They do it as favors for politicians who are doing it to get votes. Then the politicians would return the favor by making them more money, like, say, dismantling regulations. Rich people don't spend money like lottery winners. They spend money to make more money. Otherwise they'd be poor by now. lol gently caress no
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Nov 20, 2014 05:52
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wid posted:Rich people spending that much due to their personal ideals is a myth. They do it as favors for politicians who are doing it to get votes. Then the politicians would return the favor by making them more money, like, say, dismantling regulations. Rich people don't spend money like lottery winners. They spend money to make more money. Otherwise they'd be poor by now. Counterpoint: some rich assholes just gave to 2.5 million to NOM. NOM isn't making anyone richer.
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wid posted:Rich people spending that much due to their personal ideals is a myth. They do it as favors for politicians who are doing it to get votes. Then the politicians would return the favor by making them more money, like, say, dismantling regulations. Rich people don't spend money like lottery winners. They spend money to make more money. Otherwise they'd be poor by now. Extreme oversimplification.
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As I expected, Supreme Court refused to stay the judge's ruling in South Carolina. State 35 now on the board.
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DynamicSloth posted:Counterpoint: some rich assholes just gave to 2.5 million to NOM. NOM isn't making anyone richer. [useless four word response] Anyway, what he means is that the gay marriage issue is red meat for the Republican and Tea Party base, so, a politician needs some quick votes, he calls up his richest donor and says "If you give X amount of money to group Y, group Y will be able to stir the pot and I can come in and say the magic words that whip up the voters. In exchange I'll vote against/for bill Z."
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Nov 20, 2014 18:08
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Duke Igthorn posted:[useless four word response] What he means is stupid. Rich people have strong opinions and can waste money on shouting those opinions loudly because they have a lot of money and can spend that much without thinking twice about it. The idea anything anyone rich does with their money is a calculated plot to make more money is idiotic.
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Nov 20, 2014 18:12
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evilweasel posted:What he means is stupid. Rich people have strong opinions and can waste money on shouting those opinions loudly because they have a lot of money and can spend that much without thinking twice about it. The idea anything anyone rich does with their money is a calculated plot to make more money is idiotic. Any absolute is idiotic (see what I did there?) You can't say that no rich person ever does that no more than he can say every rich person ever does that, it's just stupid full stop to say "lol no" to the very idea when it's very, very likely.
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Nov 20, 2014 18:18
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Duke Igthorn posted:Any absolute is idiotic (see what I did there?) You can't say that no rich person ever does that no more than he can say every rich person ever does that, it's just stupid full stop to say "lol no" to the very idea when it's very, very likely. I think all I need to do in order to rebut what you're saying here is merely link the post at issue: http://forums.somethingawful.com/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=437924441#post437906655 I don't know what you think it says, but it's clearly not what it actually says.
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Duke Igthorn posted:[useless four word response] NOM is just pissing directly into the wind at this point, no politician wouldn't rather have those millions in their own campaign fund. This fictional hyper rational businessman is a terrible investor.
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Nov 20, 2014 18:24
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Duke Igthorn posted:Any absolute is idiotic (see what I did there?) You can't say that no rich person ever does that no more than he can say every rich person ever does that, it's just stupid full stop to say "lol no" to the very idea when it's very, very likely. You know we're in D&D right? The entire subforum is premised on absolutes.
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Nov 20, 2014 18:31
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If anything a rich person did with their money was guaranteed to get them more money, Donald Trump wouldn't have gone bankrupt running casinos.
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evilweasel posted:I think all I need to do in order to rebut what you're saying here is merely link the post at issue: http://forums.somethingawful.com/newreply.php?action=newreply&postid=437924441#post437906655 quote:Rich people spending that much due to their personal ideals is a myth. They do it as favors for politicians who are doing it to get votes. Then the politicians would return the favor by making them more money, like, say, dismantling regulations. Rich people don't spend money like lottery winners. They spend money to make more money. Otherwise they'd be poor by now. quote:"If you give X amount of money to group Y, group Y will be able to stir the pot and I can come in and say the magic words that whip up the voters. In exchange I'll vote against/for bill Z." Yeah. Clearly it's two different ideas. Clearly.
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Nov 20, 2014 18:40
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Duke Igthorn posted:Yeah. Clearly it's two different ideas. Clearly.
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Nintendo Kid posted:If anything a rich person did with their money was guaranteed to get them more money, Donald Trump wouldn't have gone bankrupt running casinos. And Enron would still be around
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Rich people are not supermen who are calculating at every turn, generally they're just relatively normal people who are rich - it is not like you need to be a superman in order to become rich, let alone to inherit wealth. However one common personality difference among most very rich people is the expectation that they're going to get their way: they've got the money to get their way in general and when they see a political issue they care about they're going to be no different and throw money at it to try and force their way. It's not like NOM is a useful proxy here: this isn't someone you'd donate to if your goal was some business goal where you want weaker regulations. You donate to NOM because you are rich and care about the issue and by god you're going to get your way the usual way you get your way: with money.
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Duke Igthorn posted:[useless four word response] Yeah, its still loving stupid even when you explain it better
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evilweasel posted:Rich people are not supermen who are calculating at every turn, generally they're just relatively normal people who are rich - it is not like you need to be a superman in order to become rich, let alone to inherit wealth. However one common personality difference among most very rich people is the expectation that they're going to get their way: they've got the money to get their way in general and when they see a political issue they care about they're going to be no different and throw money at it to try and force their way. So you're backing off the "two different ideas" thing? Good. But this is a really good hill to die on, real good, "Maybe some rich people do it thusly?" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
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Duke Igthorn posted:So you're backing off the "two different ideas" thing? Good. At this point I'm not even sure what you think you're arguing, but I'm relatively confident that the only way you're going to say something correct on this subject is by sheer dumb luck.
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evilweasel posted:At this point I'm not even sure what you think you're arguing, but I'm relatively confident that the only way you're going to say something correct on this subject is by sheer dumb luck. quote:I don't know what you think it says, but it's clearly not what it actually says.
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Duke Igthorn posted:So you're backing off the "two different ideas" thing? Good. Why is this so important to you? Why is 'no but maybe giving over 2 million to a group that's one notch under straight up neo-nazis was done for political reasons rather than hate, why won't you entertain this idea' so important?
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evilweasel posted:At this point I'm not even sure what you think you're arguing, but I'm relatively confident that the only way you're going to say something correct on this subject is by sheer dumb luck. Heh you sure are "owning" him. 
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:You know we're in D&D right? The entire subforum is premised on absolutes. Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Heh you sure are "owning" him. Explain how people are going to get rich fighting gay marriage.
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Oh Josh Duggar
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Chris James 2 posted:They sent it to the Supreme Court yesterday begging for a stay. That they still haven't responded to it means they give as much of a poo poo about it as the other states that tried to pull that last-minute desperation. Supreme Court said "No" with Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissenting marriage licenses are being (have been) issued and the first, legal, marriage was performed. Edit: Montana is gay? How gay? Sooooooooo gay! quote:"The time has come for Montana to follow all the other states within the Ninth Circuit (judicial district) and recognize that laws that ban same-sex marriage violate the constitutional right of same-sex couples to equal protection laws," Morris wrote in his 18-page ruling. Duke Igthorn fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh Josh Duggar Honor our vote, don't let those kids into Little Rock Central High School!  
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Nonsense posted:Explain how people are going to get rich fighting gay marriage. If they found NOM a few decades ago and assign themselves a high salary before ducking out say 2 or 3 years ago. 
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Duke Igthorn posted:Edit: Montana is gay? How gay? Sooooooooo gay! I love how the AG's planning to be a spiteful git by appealing too, despite being within the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit and the Gov saying he's happy with the ruling. The ships' half submerged, and he's still trying to cling to the wheel. Okay. 
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Nonsense posted:Explain how people are going to get rich fighting gay marriage. Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh Josh Duggar
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I won't try to defend my opinion that much because I don't really care. But I do care when some people claim I said things I didn't say, like "rich people do it because they're guaranteed to make money". That I didn't say. There is no guarantee. Rich people spent their money as favors for powerful people, because that could make them more money. NOM is pissing in the wind but you can't argue a short while ago they didn't have connections to powerful politicians and sway over votes. They're now coasting on their old reputation to get money because the sway over votes, thus the usefulness to politicians, is eroding fast. And if you think NOM is trying to get money only so they can fight the good fight instead of lining up the pockets of the people running it, you overestimate the zealousness of these assholes. These are not the Phelps church zealots who'd hand out flyers to random people without getting paid. You're thinking that rich assholes donate money like you and I to charity, yet none of them are spending money to movements against racial marriage or trying to revoke women suffrage or Phelp's church or the KKK. Because sending money to those get them no political connections. They just stay racists and mysoginists without donating money instead. Note that by "rich" here I meant "Koch rich" or "Romney rich" and not "200k a year rich". I also find it funny you think this is oversimplifying it while the other argument is "these guys are rich and assholes" or that they value 2.5 million dollars less than you and I value a dollar. Also Donald Trump is still rich.
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