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Since this thread seems to be drifting off I figured I would put myself out there for the curious. For those who don't know I am a diagnosed Schizophrenic that spent 6 years deeeep into conspiracy theory lala land. I listened to Alex Jones 3 hours a day, read nearly every David Icke book, drank colloidal silver to treat serious medical conditions and choked down shitloads of tangy tangerine. I was at the Dacid Icke lecture in Cleveland Ohio when he and Jesse Ventura had their famous falling out. I had around 120 books and 30 DVD's or so on various Conspiracy topics that was the envy of my wingnut friends. By the end of it you would have had to look hard to find anyone who bought it more fully than I did, there were even some now quite infamous incidents where I literally stood on a picnic table at the break area of work and started ranting about FEMA camps to wake up my co-workers. Yeah, I was THAT guy. Obviously I'm all better now, and I have left all that behind me. I'd be more than willing to answer any questions posters might have about being a hardcore conspiracy theorist/crazy person.
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Prester John posted:Since this thread seems to be drifting off I figured I would put myself out there for the curious. For those who don't know I am a diagnosed Schizophrenic that spent 6 years deeeep into conspiracy theory lala land. I listened to Alex Jones 3 hours a day, read nearly every David Icke book, drank colloidal silver to treat serious medical conditions and choked down shitloads of tangy tangerine. I was at the Dacid Icke lecture in Cleveland Ohio when he and Jesse Ventura had their famous falling out. I had around 120 books and 30 DVD's or so on various Conspiracy topics that was the envy of my wingnut friends. By the end of it you would have had to look hard to find anyone who bought it more fully than I did, there were even some now quite infamous incidents where I literally stood on a picnic table at the break area of work and started ranting about FEMA camps to wake up my co-workers. I realize this might be complicated by the schitzoprhenia, but did engaging with that material make you feel 'good', or did it provoke more anxiety?
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Prester John posted:Since this thread seems to be drifting off I figured I would put myself out there for the curious. For those who don't know I am a diagnosed Schizophrenic that spent 6 years deeeep into conspiracy theory lala land. I listened to Alex Jones 3 hours a day, read nearly every David Icke book, drank colloidal silver to treat serious medical conditions and choked down shitloads of tangy tangerine. I was at the Dacid Icke lecture in Cleveland Ohio when he and Jesse Ventura had their famous falling out. I had around 120 books and 30 DVD's or so on various Conspiracy topics that was the envy of my wingnut friends. By the end of it you would have had to look hard to find anyone who bought it more fully than I did, there were even some now quite infamous incidents where I literally stood on a picnic table at the break area of work and started ranting about FEMA camps to wake up my co-workers. I'd like to hear the difference because I started to go that direction and I've got nothing like scizophenia. For me it was continually being immersed in it thinking I was being educated when I realize wasn't. And it was a step back for a while and return to the material that made me realize how taken in I was.
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Prester John posted:I was at the David Icke lecture in Cleveland Ohio when he and Jesse Ventura had their famous falling out. I would definitely like to read a detailed account of this.
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SocketWrench posted:I'd go as far as to say absolutely buck fuckin' retarded since if they wanted to shut his rear end up they would with no issue. Those tinfoil helmets aren't bullet proof Two world wars, police state in America. I'm a brilliant businessman, but believe me they have tried to sabotage my career, as well. A bullet may well be coming. Prester John posted:Since this thread seems to be drifting off I figured I would put myself out there for the curious. For those who don't know I am a diagnosed Schizophrenic that spent 6 years deeeep into conspiracy theory lala land. I listened to Alex Jones 3 hours a day, read nearly every David Icke book, drank colloidal silver to treat serious medical conditions and choked down shitloads of tangy tangerine. I was at the Dacid Icke lecture in Cleveland Ohio when he and Jesse Ventura had their famous falling out. I had around 120 books and 30 DVD's or so on various Conspiracy topics that was the envy of my wingnut friends. By the end of it you would have had to look hard to find anyone who bought it more fully than I did, there were even some now quite infamous incidents where I literally stood on a picnic table at the break area of work and started ranting about FEMA camps to wake up my co-workers. What's it like in the CIA?
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zakharov posted:Did you turn blue? Nope. By the by though, if you are ever trying to have a conversation with a wingnut about colloidal silver I would recommend against bringing up the "turns you blue" thing because they will just dismiss you as a blind sheeple right out of hand. While yes, it can potentially turn you blue, there are only like 5 recorded cases and they all involved people consuming massive amounts of colloidal silver made in the old style home-made kits. It is a very rare circumstance that any colloidal silver nut has had brought up to him literally every time colloidal silver is discussed. It is a bit like trying to discuss firearms with a gun nut and calling a "magazine" a "clip". Its a spergy detail most everyone who has ever disagreed with them has been wrong about and they will use it to dismiss anything you have to say on the subject. Obdicut posted:I realize this might be complicated by the schitzoprhenia, but did engaging with that material make you feel 'good', or did it provoke more anxiety? This is a tremendously complicated question, but I will do my best to answer. The short answer is, it did both, at the same time, for different but sometimes overlapping reasons. For example, a feeling of dread about the future, as well as high anxiety in general, are both features of my illness. Conspiracy material would make me feel that these feelings were justified. And not only justified, but what made me somebody. Having this "knowing" about the horror that lay in the future was proof of my intellectual and spiritual maturity. The Illuminati were bent on evil and if you were "awake" enough that fact was obvious. This quelled many of my own internal doubts and felt like a breath of fresh air in some ways. Instead of wondering what was wrong with me, I was proud of what was right with me. I was a cut above 99% of the human population simply by being in tune enough with the "Truth" to be a freaked out mess. My mess of a life and various problems were proof that "I" was the sane person and *EVERYONE ELSE* were the crazy people. The downside to the vindication though is that being told your paranoia is justified feeds into it, making you need that feeling of vindication more. So you engage with more conspiracy material and thus begins a nasty vicious cycle. There were other ways in which the material both made me feel good and increased my anxiety. It was for example an easy escape from life. If some situation in my life was freaking me out I could just go read some new conspiracy report or something. My own embarrassment at being unable to cope well in the world would be swept away by reading about what a truly lovely place the world really was. Or I could fantasize about how none of my problems would matter once society collapsed. "Yes sir someday all my write-ups at work won't mean poo poo and assholes like my boss will be begging for help from people like me who know to survive if anything but this modern dystopia." SO I would get off thinking about how awesome it will be to not have to deal with the bullshit of the moment when society collapses, but at the same time I was really loving freaked out about society actually collapsing.
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Prester John posted:There were other ways in which the material both made me feel good and increased my anxiety. It was for example an easy escape from life. If some situation in my life was freaking me out I could just go read some new conspiracy report or something. My own embarrassment at being unable to cope well in the world would be swept away by reading about what a truly lovely place the world really was. Or I could fantasize about how none of my problems would matter once society collapsed. "Yes sir someday all my write-ups at work won't mean poo poo and assholes like my boss will be begging for help from people like me who know to survive if anything but this modern dystopia." SO I would get off thinking about how awesome it will be to not have to deal with the bullshit of the moment when society collapses, but at the same time I was really loving freaked out about society actually collapsing. Thank you, Prester John, for being willing to expose yourself like this. It's interesting to see how this reminds me somewhat of what I went through during my conspiracy period. How did going through the treatment affect your conspiracy leanings?
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Prester John posted:True story: The first time I started seeking treatment for my illness (I was homeless at the time) I went to get an evaluation from an agency that helps people with mental illness. The butterflies decorating the front of the building (known as the "Transformational Center") almost made me bolt on the spot though. You see, the butterflies were markings of a Monarch facility, and I realized how perfect of a place a mental illness screening facility would be for finding good candidates for the Monarch program. I was terrified that if I were recognized as a latent psychic I might be quietly shipped off to some dark site never to be heard from again, terrified enough to refuse treatment just on the mere chance that I might be walking into a trap. Fortunately at the time I wanted help so badly I was willing to bear the risk. I justified it to myself at the time by reasoning that "they" already had me on camera and any suspicious behavior might alert them anyways, so it was best to just play along and avoid mentioning anything about my difficulties controlling my psychic abilities. Thanks so much for sharing in this and your other posts. I'm interested in conspiracies, though I don't believe in them, so right when you mentioned "butterflies," my mind too immediately jumped to Monarch programming. I can only imagine how all that felt, and I know it took guts to go in and get help. After you got help, did you ever go back and try to talk to conspiracy people, or revisit some of your old ideas, or did you just walk away from it without looking back?
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It's really depressing reading you actually because your poverty essentially forced you to give up the truth. I maybe have the luxury of the truth. Hard thought. It's actually obviously true that slaves who don't know the truth won't rebel. I don't really see it as my responsibility to educate people. I just come here to joke around. I think it is a pretty good gimmick actually, and I think there is some lack of critical thought that goes into thinking about the government, by most people, and I'll have to admit, it wasn't until now how I fully appreciated how poverty and the physical hell they will put you through if you dis-obey forces you to change your mind as well, a soft death. We have to fight on, though. We can't be afraid of poverty. I'm not afraid of that nor death nor speaking my view. AddMEonFacebook fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Jack Gladney posted:So how long has Roseanne been unmedicated? I'd say quite a while. She was saying some pretty crazy stuff in the 2012 election.
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AddMEonFacebook posted:It's really depressing reading you actually because your poverty essentially forced you to give up the truth. I maybe have the luxury of the truth. Hard thought. It's actually obviously true that slaves who don't know the truth won't rebel. You keep saying you're just dealing with nonspecific things like "some lack of critical thought that goes into thinking about the government, by most people" but then you say things with fairly specific implications, like that Bush is a satanist, the CIA did 911, that you're surrounded by CIA plants who want to ruin you, and that the Government tortures people by making them poor. (?) Can you be a little more consistent and stop obliquely hinting and saying "well that's not my position" when people respond to your implied position? If you're going to be crazy (or at least come off that way) you have to own it! Krotera fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Nov 19, 2014 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:I'd say quite a while. She was saying some pretty crazy stuff in the 2012 election. Meh. She's kind of had it rough, so I'll give her a pass. Was actually watching her get interviewed by Norm a while back. Apparently she was in a coma for two weeks as a kid and it kind of knocked her off mentally. (she said she was really good at math as a kid, and after that? She lost it). Also I guess Tom Arnold was a dick, and was the one spilling out every rumor behind their relationship to the "National Enquirer". One would definitly develop paranoid thoughts after being through that. Her heart seems to be in the right place, and she seems more subdued as a person.
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Jack Gladney posted:So how long has Roseanne been unmedicated? She married Tom Arnold in 1990, so 24 years at the very least. The ending of Roseanne could not have been written by a sane person either.
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Prester John posted:True story: The first time I started seeking treatment for my illness (I was homeless at the time) I went to get an evaluation from an agency that helps people with mental illness. The butterflies decorating the front of the building (known as the "Transformational Center") almost made me bolt on the spot though. You see, the butterflies were markings of a Monarch facility, and I realized how perfect of a place a mental illness screening facility would be for finding good candidates for the Monarch program. Wait, are you talking about the villain from Venture Brothers? edit AVeryLargeRadish posted:Two of your coworkers who you do not like are wearing red ties, this morning the president gave an address and was wearing a red tie, therefore your coworkers have been working for the government to discredit you. This should be the thread title. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Sir Tonk posted:Wait, are you talking about the villain from Venture Brothers? Monarch is both a decently common name for mental healthcare providers and services, as well as the name of a supposed CIA mind control project.
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Sir Tonk posted:Wait, are you talking about the villain from Venture Brothers? I should have explained a bit more in detail here. "Monarch" is the supposed codename for a subdivision of the MK-ULTRA mind control program. I think Conspiracy Wiki sums it up best here. Conspiracy Wiki posted:Monarch Mind Control is a form of mind control which creates a mind control slave by utilizing the human brain's trauma response of dissociation to create a form of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) wherein various triggers can cause the slave personality to surface and respond to commands given by the master ("Handler" in Monarch parlance). So what had me freaked out was the possibility that I would be kidnapped, then tortured in such an indescribable fashion as to completely lose touch with reality, and then have false personalities implanted within me that could be triggered at any time without my knowledge. I knew that although Monarch was primarily designed to be used on children exceptions were made for anyone with latent psychic potential, and I also knew that my powers in the wrong hands would make me a very useful disposable assassin. I was terrified both of being tortured and of losing any sense of control over my life. (I was terrified these things would happen because of my budding and ill controlled psychic powers.) I can remember years before I sought out treatment joking with some of my fellow "psychic" friends about "One minute your telling a doctor all about the stress of trying to control these powers, and the next minute you are reading Catcher in the Rye and assassinating John Lennon".
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Jazerus posted:Just out of curiosity, did you ever tell this "Transformational Center" that they were scaring off conspiracy theorists from seeking their help through their choice of decoration? I've toyed with the idea, but I don't know that there is much benefit to changing things. Frankly there isn't any set of symbols you could choose that wouldn't be interpreted as threatening by some portion of the population with mental illness, and on top of that my reaction to those particular symbols is not all that common in my experience. In two years of homelessness I met hundreds of Conspiracy Theorists of every possible description, but hardly ever have I met many that new what Monarch was or would have been freaked out by the presence of butterflies. Edit: On top of that the Transformational Center is inside of a very large compound that you never see until you are already pretty invested in getting help/treatment. It isn;t something you just casually see 99% of the time. It would be literally impossible to explain without going into great detail because there just isn't anything like the "Haven for Hope" that I could draw a comparison too. It would take a whole separate thread to describe the Haven, really. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Sharkie posted:After you got help, did you ever go back and try to talk to conspiracy people, or revisit some of your old ideas, or did you just walk away from it without looking back? Excellent question. Let me try and break this up a bit, as how I have handled my old beliefs is very different from how my old conspiracy buddies have reacted to my decisions. As far as going back to my old ideas, I've never even considered it once. I recognize that the world simply does not work that way now. I don't think that way at all anymore, and many of the underlying assumptions about the world that I had that enabled those beliefs are changed now. It would be about as hard for me to go back to my old beliefs as it would for me to convert to worshiping Zeus. Conspiracy thinking on that level simply isn't a part of who I am anymore. (That said, I still struggle with delusions/magical thinking and invasive thoughts, but the medication weakens that sufficiently that I have taught myself to recognize my delusions and to not make any decisions based off them. Its hard but for now I find it manageable.) On those occasions I do stop and actually read some Conspiracy material these days I find it boring and honest to God laughably stupid. I also cringe a bit when I think about what this material used to mean to me, but I've decided to keep moving forwards no matter what and I just don't dwell on it long. Now my old Conspiracy buddies are quite a different matter. Leaving the conspiracy mindset is viewed as something of a betrayal/copout. My old conspiracy buddies have treated me like I was that character in The Matrix that chooses to voluntarily get jacked back in. I am treated with a mixture of suspicion and pity, and have been accused of having sold out to the other side more than once. (Sometimes the accusations have been subtle, sometimes they have been very blunt. Thankfully these people are out of my life now, mostly because when I decided to seek treatment I also decided to move from Ohio to Texas, which proved to be an unexpected boon in keeping me away from their influences while I was extremely vulnerable and confused.) My experience has been that I am treated with outright suspicion very often, or at best treated with a sort of smug pity. This post is exactly what I am talking about. AddMEonFacebook posted:It's really depressing reading you actually because your poverty essentially forced you to give up the truth. I maybe have the luxury of the truth. Hard thought. It's actually obviously true that slaves who don't know the truth won't rebel. First off I would argue that AddMeOnFacebook didn't write that post for me or for this thread, he wrote that post for himself, to reassure himself. Underneath what is written here is a sense of being special for knowing "truth". More importantly, he is choosing Truth despite the costs, and that makes him more noble. (Or at least that is how I would have been feeling in his shoes.) Although AddMeOnFacebook may not really realize it, he is implying that I am a slave now compared to him because I have chosen to walk away from the Conspiracy mindset. ("a soft death") Right after discussing how my poverty forced me to give up truth he asserts that he would never do the same thing. ("We have to fight on, though. We can't be afraid of poverty. I'm not afraid of that nor death nor speaking my view") He is also implying some sort of pity in the sobering realization that perhaps enough pain can be brought down on people to force them to give up the truth. (" your poverty essentially forced you to give up the truth. I maybe have the luxury of the truth. Hard thought.") Put all this together and AddMeOnFacebook seems to pity me for being beaten into admitting that there really are five lights. To him I gave in under the torture, a sad outcome. But he will struggle on no matter the cost and he will never give up truth even in the face of death. He would die proclaiming the truth of four lights. But perhaps he has the "luxury" of being able to fight for truth, (which I am sure calling it a luxury is a step forwards because I bet that he holds himself as somehow above the rest of the population because he chooses to face the ugly truth rather than hide.) so it is now up to him to fight on for those who (like myself) can't. I would say he is a good representation of the nicer spectrum of reactions I have gotten from my past associates. Edit: I think the best way to sum up how my past associates have reacted to my seeking treatment is that they see it as an act of cowardice and weakness. I chose the path of least resistance, I chose to go along with the current and accept the damnation of the world in exchange for a little bit of comfort in life. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Prester John posted:Excellent question. Let me try and break this up a bit, as how I have handled my old beliefs is very different from how my old conspiracy buddies have reacted to my decisions. Thanks for sharing all of this Prester John, it is really interesting to get some insight. I'm struck by just how little difference there is between the mindset you're describing and the mindset of conspiracy theorists without schizophrenia. Granted I'm sure lots of them have it and don't know it/deny it, or it is not obvious to an outside observer, but even so not every single one is mentally ill and it's almost like people can make themselves pseudo-schizophrenic by buying into this stuff too much. A couple of questions: did you have any affinity for the 'gangstalking' side of this stuff? For those not familiar, gangstalking is the belief that the government (or someone) is engaged in a vast conspiracy to control/harass/drive you crazy with a combination of 'directed energy weapons' (which can cause pain or even kill) 'voice to skull technology' (making you hear voices in your head, supposedly with some kind of device) undetectable implants, and a series of seemingly random normal people who stalk the victim either to harass, intimidate, surveil, or influence. Basically it like a big long list of archetypal schizophrenia symptoms and behaviors. They also tend to tie in the Monarch/MKULTRA stuff already mentioned. Probably the worst think about it is that the proponents of this 'gangstalking' theory proclaim over and over that they are not schizophrenic (which they hear a lot because it is basically identical). They even will deter people from treatment because 'they're in on it' or the drugs are 'mind control,' and they have set up various support networks and will use various pseudoscientific methods to 'block' or 'protect' each other from the gangstalkers. Second question: Did you ever listen to Coast to Coast AM? I know you mentioned Alex Jones, what other theorists/outlets did you get into? David Icke? Larouche? Also, how much money do you think you spent on all the various media and products they peddled?
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Jazerus posted:Just out of curiosity, did you ever tell this "Transformational Center" that they were scaring off conspiracy theorists from seeking their help through their choice of decoration? I honestly suspect some psychs have no idea how to factor in conspiratorial thinking into their reasoning about mental illness. I used to work for a company called "Global Mind Screen", as a contractor, developing software used in psychometric testing by medical professionals. I remember saying "You do realise schizophrenics and manics will run off screaming at the very sight of something called global mind screen, yes?". They where shocked. It never occured to them. And the kept the name anyway. Before leaving I suggested augmenting their butterfly logo with an eye pyramid, just to complete the circle on that name. duck monster fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Nov 21, 2014 08:47
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Your gimmick is bad.
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Nov 21, 2014 09:06
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AddMEonFacebook posted:Smug pity and suspicion is all you deserve. You either were an over-the-top nut that needed real help or you did betray your cause - although I can understand since they force you into poverty for it. I probably shouldn't engage like this, but are you aware that many conspiracy theorists believe conflicting conspiracy theories, like believing the idea that Princess Diana was murdered (by whoever) while simultaneously believing that she's still alive?
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Nov 21, 2014 09:13
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Honestly, I don't give two shillings about that. I can use a structured logical model to evaluate claims based on evidence. I don't need you giving me your twentieth rate psychology. Who believes such a thing really? I mean - give me a real name of a person. What an incredible strawman! How about this: are you aware that there are over one billion people without access to clean water? AddMEonFacebook fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Nov 21, 2014 10:04
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Or to bring it down to your level: are you aware that politicians are doo-doo heads?
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Nov 21, 2014 10:09
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AddMEonFacebook posted:I can use a structured logical model to evaluate claims based on evidence. Show your work.
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