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Poland elections: members of local electoral commissions have reached the end of their legally mandated leave from work and may or may not have arrived to count the votes today. PKW states it technically could claim they're breaking the promise they've made when signing up for the commissions, but it's dubious as far as the penal and administrative law is concerned, so they probably won't do that. They've just commented that they hope those guys show up. Meanwhile, my town is gearing up for an electoral debate between the young activist lawyer and the old incumbent mayor (formerly a schoolteacher)! They will discuss such thrilling topics as
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Tevery Best posted:Meanwhile, my town is gearing up for an electoral debate between the young activist lawyer and the old incumbent mayor (formerly a schoolteacher)! They will discuss such thrilling topics as  ?
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Nov 21, 2014 15:47
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I don't get it.
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Nov 21, 2014 16:13
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Tevery Best posted:I don't get it.
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Nov 21, 2014 16:42
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kalstrams posted:Penis of Winnie Pooh, seemingly. Maybe it's Poo of Vinnie the Pooh?
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Nov 21, 2014 16:44
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Karmalis posted:Maybe it's Poo of Vinnie the Pooh?
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Nov 21, 2014 16:46
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Tevery Best posted:I don't get it. Met posted:Winnie the Pooh banned from Polish playground for being 'inappropriate hermaphrodite'
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Nov 21, 2014 16:55
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Oh. That's not from my town, thankfully.
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Nov 21, 2014 17:00
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quote:The author was over 60 and cut [Pooh’s] testicles off with a razor blade because he had a problem with his identity This is not a sentence you hear every day.
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Nov 21, 2014 17:17
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Tevery Best posted:Oh. 
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Nov 21, 2014 19:21
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Are teddy bear plushes sold in Poland anatomically correct? So as to protect the children from being exposed to deviant hermaphroditism?
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Nov 21, 2014 19:38
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Valiantman posted:
He was the one of the main triggers, repeatedly, on the "Russian" (not really seperatist) side of things. First, he did much to torpedo early negotiations over autonomy by seizing Slavyansk by force. Ukrainian negotatiors legtimatly saw this as bad faith (this of course empowered hard rightists in Ukraine), while actual Donbass and Russian negotiators were blindsided by that, couldnt exactly say so (how much authority to negotiate do they have if a loving monarchist goon does whatever eh want?) and even if they did say that they got blindsided nobody on Ukraines side believed them. His "heroic fighting retreat from Slavyansk" was actually "oh crap, Putin, Akhmetov and Kiev are making a deal that would leave me out, lets go to Donezk quickly and cut that down". Kiev forces had barely encircled Slavyansk at that time, and were pretty reluctant to move in since it was quite heavily defended. Ukrainian/Kievan commanders were pretty surprised when Strelkovs group was suddenly gone. That they spread a bunch of bullshit about how they totally encircled Slavyansk and were killing large amounts of Strelkov troops (what actually happened was people mutually shooting at shadows for the most part) resulted in Strelkov getting major props for basically running away. It is also a reason why his likely Oligarch sugar daddy got jacked one day after Russian elections (to demonstrate that the Russian state has not opened general Oligarch season, but to reinforce that Putin does not tolerate Oligarchs with an independent foreign policy) and why Russia leaned in really hard on Donbass to get rid of the guy. He was usefull for Donbass, since, as a foreigner whom Russian authorities actually dont like very much, he was like, the predisposed fallguy/public human sacrifice and thus usefull to have. He is pretty nutty, but has some military skills. His stick about "protecting Putin" is btw. either madness or sheer genius. Putins real attitude towards the guy is actually between  and "usefull idiot who annoys my rivals more then he annoys me". Strelkov, By publically painting himself as an "ally" or "protector" of Putin he protects himself from Putin to an extent, but well, Putin is not even remotely in need of protection from Strelkov (pun/dual meaning intended), and may well opt to regard that as an insult.Other then that, Strelkov is pretty heavily invested in building his own legend.
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Nov 21, 2014 19:59
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On more related infighting/backstabbing news, Moskalenko (Kiev appointed governor of Luhansk), also accused Aidar of kidnapping and perhaps murder, so it increasingly looks that Aidar will be the designated fall guys on Kievs side. To show that this by no means equal "open season for rightwing militias", the second in command of (far more criminal then Aidar) Azov Batallion became the police General of Kiev.
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Nov 21, 2014 20:05
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Did the fact that the Pooh character is supposed to be a stuffed bear not a real bear not cross the cultural gap or something?
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Nov 21, 2014 20:16
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Jarmak posted:Did the fact that the Pooh character is supposed to be a stuffed bear not a real bear not cross the cultural gap or something? Winnie the Pooh is as much a beloved children's character in Poland as anywhere, and has been for forever (we call him "kubuś", diminutive shortened form of Jacob). There is no cultural gap. I don't know what nonsense that person was spouting.
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Nov 21, 2014 20:29
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Rinkles posted:Winnie the Pooh is as much a beloved children's character in Poland as anywhere, and has been for forever (we call him "kubuś", diminutive shortened form of Jacob). There is no cultural gap. I don't know what nonsense that person was spouting. Kubuś .... that makes so much sense now ( we have the juice brand kubuś which I think is imported from Poland )
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Nov 21, 2014 20:31
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Chief of the PKW, Stefan Jaworski, has resigned from his post, effective after the second round of the local elections. http://www.rp.pl/artykul/1140279,1159240-Szef-PKW-Stefan-Jaworski-zlozyl-dymisje.html Meanwhile, the Supreme Supervision Chamber (NIK, Najwyzsza Izba Kontroli) reports that the PKW is completely unprepared for the 2015 parliamentary and presidential elections, says the journal Rzeczpospolita. http://www.rp.pl/artykul/956150,1158933-NIK--Wybory-w-2015-tez-zagrozone.html (warning: links autoplay voice clips)
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Nov 21, 2014 21:24
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Ugh. Reports of an explosion --- perhaps even more than one --- in Kharkiv, Ukraine. Details still unclear. Edit #2: removed photo, not recent OddObserver fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Nov 21, 2014 22:05
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Tevery Best posted:Chief of the PKW, Stefan Jaworski, has resigned from his post, effective after the second round of the local elections. Also, among the people arrested during the occupation of the headquarters of National Electoral Commission there are two journalists. One from the TV Republika who strongly sympathizes with the occupiers... and one photographer of Polish Press Agency who apparently didn't leave the building quick enough. To reiterate - Polish police arrest an employee of the Polish state press agency during performing his duties. Both arrested journalists were tried in the accelerated mode for illegal trespassing. The trial has been postponed until Tuesday.
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Nov 21, 2014 22:32
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Gantolandon posted:Also, among the people arrested during the occupation of the headquarters of National Electoral Commission there are two journalists. One from the TV Republika who strongly sympathizes with the occupiers... and one photographer of Polish Press Agency who apparently didn't leave the building quick enough. To reiterate - Polish police arrest an employee of the Polish state press agency during performing his duties. 
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Nov 21, 2014 22:37
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Nothing about the plane in the interview?
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katlington posted:Nothing about the plane in the interview?
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An executive producer of Russia Today committed suicide. He was hanged with his own belt and left no suicide note. http://lifenews.ru/news/145523 quote:Journalist killed himself in Moscow. According to law enforcement sources, a man was found in the bathroom of his relatives. Some Russia official stated that the Estonian government unilaterally set their border with Russia, so Russia has no legal obligation to recognize it. http://tvi.ua/new/2014/11/21/rosiya_vidmovlyayetsya_vyznavaty_kordony_estoniyi quote:For, does not matter demarcation of the border, installed Estonia. Anti-Putin rally in Moscow today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcYveOIjh-A
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:
Probably something to do with us clearing the border area of vegetation to better spot illegal border crossing, they're working 24/7 (mostly because the harvesters are expensive). Obviously no-one thought of that in last 23 years, but the kidnapping of our agent set that in motion. The politicians can not possibly leave the impression that they are not doing anything. Even brought out new Walther pistols to replace border guard's ancient Makarov pistols. Which I suppose is some sort of progress. Of course our incompetent politicians are the ones responsible for merging border guard with the police 5 years ago, which I think was quite a mistake because they no longer carry automatic rifles and their numbers are not bolstered with conscripts, and instead are supposed to rely on cameras and sensors. Supposedly they have MP5s stored somewhere, but that's still disadvantageous compared to having automatic rifles.
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Nov 21, 2014 23:32
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Apparently the new Ukrainian government intends to seek NATO membership (as expected, I suppose). I think that might just give this crisis a brand new spark and reignite it. NATO will probably just gently turn the application down though, both since Russia probably wouldn't calmly watch as the accession took place and since, well, new members genuinely are not allowed to have border/territory disputes. Or rather they won't turn it down but will keep the application in a state of "Negotiations will continue" for the future.
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Romanian presidential results map by county
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Nov 21, 2014 23:52
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Fabulous Knight posted:Apparently the new Ukrainian government intends to seek NATO membership (as expected, I suppose). I think that might just give this crisis a brand new spark and reignite it. NATO will probably just gently turn the application down though, both since Russia probably wouldn't calmly watch as the accession took place and since, well, new members genuinely are not allowed to have border/territory disputes. Or rather they won't turn it down but will keep the application in a state of "Negotiations will continue" for the future. I don't think anyone in the Ukrainian government presumes it to be anything more than a formal declaration of intent and another public snub to Putin. Both EU and NATO membership are impossibilities in the near or medium term because of the limp state of the Ukrainian economy and its border war. This declaration is mostly intended to provoke a positive domestic response and encourage further European assistance. Poroshenko's most powerful tool is to bring the European community to his aid, and he seems to be doing an admirable job.
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Fabulous Knight posted:Apparently the new Ukrainian government intends to seek NATO membership (as expected, I suppose). I think that might just give this crisis a brand new spark and reignite it. NATO will probably just gently turn the application down though, both since Russia probably wouldn't calmly watch as the accession took place and since, well, new members genuinely are not allowed to have border/territory disputes. Or rather they won't turn it down but will keep the application in a state of "Negotiations will continue" for the future. I think Europe and The US know better than to even consider it. Russia is now banning meat imports from Belarus, claiming there are safety issues, and Belarus is importing inferior meat from Canada for their products. http://tass.ru/ekonomika/1588803 quote:Rosselkhoznadzor banned the import of products from nine Belarusian meat plants. HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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Hello again old friends. The entire Polish Electoral Committee resigned tonight effective immediately following the results of the second round of local elections (Nov 30 if all goes as planned which it won't). This whole thing has been an absolute catastrophe. In addition to the aforementioned computer program written by a 19 year old the government apparently did a very poor job explaining how the new electoral booklet system works leading to the invalidation of up to 27% of votes in some regions. While there is no legal provision for invalidating the election and calling a new one something like this is absolutely unacceptable in a modern, stable democracy. I don't think its as nefarious as some are portraying it, calling it obvious electoral fraud and a stolen election, but it certainly is gross incompetence which is not much better.
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A Pale Horse posted:Hello again old friends. I'm going to take a wild guess that your national assembly has a habit of chronically under-funding your electoral commission?
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My Imaginary GF posted:I'm going to take a wild guess that your national assembly has a habit of chronically under-funding your electoral commission? No, not at all, at least not that I've heard. They don't even have that excuse to fall back on. They just completely dropped the ball on this. I don't know if they didn't send out enough public service TV spots about the voting changes this year or if the spots weren't clear enough (though they seemed pretty clear to me) or what the issue is, having to invalidate 27% of votes because people didn't fill the ballots out correctly is indicative of some level of failure on the part of the government. Again, I don't think it was intentional or nefarious, just completely incompetent. fake edit; I just looked it up and its actually up to 40% invalid votes in some electoral precincts.  real edit: I should also mention that there have been some attempts at small scale electoral fraud as well including ballot box stuffing and vote buying but they've been small scale and discovered by the appropriate authorities. A Pale Horse fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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Nov 22, 2014 01:54
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I think Europe and The US know better than to even consider it. So the Russians are accusing Belarus and Canada by proxy of mass producing low quality goods while simultaneously trying to increase trade with China?
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Nov 22, 2014 02:54
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I think Europe and The US know better than to even consider it. Hey now, we have it straight from Batka that there's no toilet paper in their sausages.
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A Pale Horse posted:No, not at all, at least not that I've heard. They don't even have that excuse to fall back on. Actually, a few months ago, they had changed the subcontractor for the computer systems handling the election (because the old company produced the results with delays steadily growing with every election, going up to several hours), but only received between 0,8 mln and 1 mln PLN for that purpose every year, which, from what I understand, is way less than needed for that purpose.
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Nov 22, 2014 11:33
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Tevery Best posted:Actually, a few months ago, they had changed the subcontractor for the computer systems handling the election (because the old company produced the results with delays steadily growing with every election, going up to several hours), but only received between 0,8 mln and 1 mln PLN for that purpose every year, which, from what I understand, is way less than needed for that purpose. Fair enough, I hadn't heard that before. I still don't think they're chronically underfunded because the previous five or six elections have gone pretty much without a hitch and I haven't heard of cuts to the election budget this go around that would excuse what we've been seeing. As an aside one thing that made me happy was just how poorly KNP and SLD did. KNP for obvious reasons but SLD because maybe they'll finally move on from Miller and the rest of his cronies and try to actually become a viable voting alternative to PO rather than a rudderless, sinking post communist barge of a party (lol, probably not though). I didn't vote in these elections because my residency is registered in a different place than I live and I'm not traveling 60 km to vote for people who don't actually have any impact on my life but the candidate I would have supported looks like he's going to win in the second round for city president and PO carried both the city council and the Sejmik of the Wojewodztwo I live in so I'm reasonably pleased.
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A Pale Horse posted:No, not at all, at least not that I've heard. They don't even have that excuse to fall back on. They just completely dropped the ball on this. I don't know if they didn't send out enough public service TV spots about the voting changes this year or if the spots weren't clear enough (though they seemed pretty clear to me) or what the issue is, having to invalidate 27% of votes because people didn't fill the ballots out correctly is indicative of some level of failure on the part of the government. Again, I don't think it was intentional or nefarious, just completely incompetent. Amusingly enough, I would have actually found it credible if Russia or Russias script kiddy brigades were accused to be having done a hack (simply disruptive, without attempts of actual manipulation) based on a certain someones love of creative trolling. I am still shocked that noone has blamed Russia yet.
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Are there any trustworthy English articles about the "voting catastrophe" in Poland? I cannot find ones citing "a 19-year-old" supposedly being responsible about a part of the voting system, either. I did a quick search on my nation's media and Poland's elections are completely void of any mention. edit: I mean, I did find articles about it in English but they were lousy and only described a very small, most recent part of the entire thing. Dessel fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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Dessel posted:Are there any trustworthy English articles about the "voting catastrophe" in Poland? I cannot find ones citing "a 19-year-old" supposedly being responsible about a part of the voting system, either. There's not much detail in the English speaking media that I've seen other than broad overview articles like this: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-11-19/polish-opposition-calls-for-local-vote-rerun-after-tally-glitch And I was being slightly hyperbolic about the 19 year old. A student is who designed the system so she may have been up to 26 years old assuming a traditional age student doing a post graduate degree. Still the point is that maybe asking a single student to design and program the electoral counting program for the entire country may not have been the best idea. In RE Mightypeon: There's no reason to blame the Russians, the program was so evidently terrible that it seems the average script kiddie could have broken it like a porcelain egg within 20 minutes and there's plenty of internal, shall we say "dissenters" who have much more motivation to gently caress with local elections than Russians. edit: for people interested in Poland news in English I found this site from national broadcaster Polish Radio that's completely in English and also has Russian and German services: http://thenews.pl/ A Pale Horse fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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Showing up in Russian supermarkets: Belarusian "roquefort" and "gruyere" cheeses. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205162663455639&set=a.2443312531638.135313.1516606334&type=1 quote:So here you are - the triumphant rise of the domestic food industry, which we oppose evil sankktsiyam, Merkel to spite their own hands by cutting off the ears of the consumer range. Belarusian Roquefort called "Roquefort". Belarusian Gruyere adopted the nickname "gryuytser." The Russian peasant cheesemaker, as always triumphant, wood-sledge updates on the way to the beach gently caress. UPDATE: cheeses themselves, incidentally, quite edible. Gryuytser even tasty, perhaps. Although the originals, under which they mow, no relation. 
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