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White Dog Eggs posted:Granted I don't know too much about tube amps, but wouldn't turning the 'pre' knobs up get the valves running at a decent load without having to be turned up all the way? I modded my amp to have an extra pre-amp pot so I could get nice tube crunch without it being too loud. When people talk about cranking a tube amp they really mean power tubes and speaker distortion. Preamp distortion is supposed to be notoriously fizzy, but only nerds like us worry about this poo poo. Incidentally those cheap 'attenuators' to go on your fx loop that you can buy on ebay for a couple of quid are useless, they're just a volume pot regulating volume into the poweramp and will make no difference to powertube crunch. You can have your volume on 10 but if you aren't hitting them with enough pre volume they'll still be running cold.
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Actuary X posted:Earplugs are way cooler than tinnitus Truth, losing your hearing loving sucks 
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The fact that I have no idea what the hell any of this means probably says I should not have a tube amp.
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Nov 22, 2014 16:31
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White Dog Eggs posted:Granted I don't know too much about tube amps, but wouldn't turning the 'pre' knobs up get the valves running at a decent load without having to be turned up all the way? I modded my amp to have an extra pre-amp pot so I could get nice tube crunch without it being too loud. Preamp affects the preamp tubes and therefore the gain/drive, so you can get a good crunch etc at low volumes (while power tube distortion is often coveted a lot of amps that aren't designed for it sound poo poo with power tube drive), master affects the power tubes, which is where this effect is. Not 100% on the physics etc but it happens with all three tube amps I've owned, less so the VHT Classic 6, but definitely on the hayden peacemaker 40 and especially the tweaker - MV past 12, gain really really low is how mine's set (I use a Dano CO-1 (ocd sorta-clone) for OD so having the pre gain low isn't an issue) Nostalgic Pushead fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Nov 22, 2014 |
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YManky posted:Truth, losing your hearing loving sucks Yeah every time those high frequencies hearing tests come up I can usually hear what someone in their 50's can hear. I'm 29. Tinnitus sucks, wear earplugs. No joke wouldn't mind a record pickguard on my Tele. Would a laser cutter work well for that?
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IronLawnmower posted:The fact that I have no idea what the hell any of this means probably says I should not have a tube amp. If you stopped learning right now, you'd still have more book-learning (web-learning) on gear than a vast majority of history's performers. Own it, crank it, fiddle with it, try different settings on it, enjoy it. If you don't enjoy it, trade it for something else on craigslist. You'll be fine.
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Nov 22, 2014 18:08
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booshi posted:Y Vinyl cuts pretty well on a laser, go for it! I've wanted to try this for ages. Bread Dragon posted:If you stopped learning right now, you'd still have more book-learning (web-learning) on gear than a vast majority of history's performers. Own it, crank it, fiddle with it, try different settings on it, enjoy it. If you don't enjoy it, trade it for something else on craigslist. You'll be fine. This is 100% true. The Who used to get distortion by poking holes in their speaker cones with pencils and screwdrivers, that's about as stupid as you can get and they still sounded good (don't do this, it sounds terrible).
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Nov 22, 2014 18:14
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White Dog Eggs posted:Vinyl cuts pretty well on a laser, go for it! I've wanted to try this for ages. Awesome, time to hit up Goodwill for some cheap vinyl and give it a shot. I need a pickguard cut for a humbucker anyway as I'm putting on of those new GFS gold foils in the neck. Time to flex the ol CAD muscle. Will report back.
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ThePutty posted:did you guys in the music scene wear earplugs, or are earplugs still considered uncool I'm too old to give a poo poo what people at shows think of me so I often wear earplugs, even when playing at low volumes at home. At my old job I went around to the different PPE cabinets and took different kinds of earplugs to try out which kinds I liked the best. Naturally I have an entire bag filled with the ones I liked best due to taking two pairs every day instead of one pair a day.
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Drummers. So many of them think that they should have one volume level and the louder it is, the better drummer they are. One drummer I auditioned bragged, "I'm the loudest drummer you'll ever meet."  Yes I know guitarists and bassists are guilty, too. But being the guitarist I always tried to convince the ensemble to play only as loud as necessary as to gel together with the drummer and no louder. Individual volume boosts only for solos. It worked well with reasonable people who understood their gear and drummers who possess dynamics. Being stuck in small rooms next to a huge array of crash cymbals has done more to kill my hearing than any guitar amp or concert. So yeah, I got hip to earplugs eventually, but not before the tinnitus hit. I can't be in a dead-quiet room. I have to have some low-level white-noise (I prefer an electric fan or simple sound spa set to white noise) or the ringing in my ears announces itself; and then once I notice it, it quickly builds up to jet-engine (I work at an airport and if you've ever heard an Airbus 321 being started up by an Air-start unit) you can imagine how almost terrifyingly loud it seems. Aside: I went to see Yngwie in Raleigh once many years ago. Wow, what an amazing live guitar sound, even if I don't care much for the material. Some glassy-eyed drunk-as-gently caress Napoleon homunculus almost tried to start a fist-fight with me when he noticed my earplugs. I now have a crate of earplugs under my desk that the safety-compliance manager (it's OSHA-mandated for the airline fleet workers) gave me so I will never run out. I feel really bad for Eric Johnson, as I have read his hearing is really loving shot from all those years of playing in front of raging Marshalls. Protect your hearing, because it never comes back.
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That's a sad irony, if it is irony, that the people who care the most about music or play it the most cause themselves hearing damage.
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The first concert I went to (Thunder, Whitensnake and Journey) I literally couldn't hear a single loving note it was so loud I just hurt like a constant high pitched almost feedback sounding noise and it was like the worst audio experience of my life. 3 hours of just this weird wall of noise that was meant to be radio friendly arena rock sounded like Vomir's next album. I'm not sure if it's the venue or not because when I saw Black Sabbath there the sound was loving perfect.
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IronLawnmower posted:The first concert I went to (Thunder, Whitensnake and Journey) I literally couldn't hear a single loving note it was so loud I just hurt like a constant high pitched almost feedback sounding noise and it was like the worst audio experience of my life. 3 hours of just this weird wall of noise that was meant to be radio friendly arena rock sounded like Vomir's next album. I'm not sure if it's the venue or not because when I saw Black Sabbath there the sound was loving perfect. you should probably get a hearing test done, i can't imagine listening to something that loud for 3 hours wouldn't do lasting damage
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Sleepflower posted:I was under the impression that it took 200-300 to keep up with a drummer, so that's good news. I played bass in a rock band where the guitarist played through a Mesa Stiletto halfstack and the drummer was a slugger. My $80 Crate 115 combo kept up at stage/small room volume. It doesn't hurt that I live in Chicago, where sound guys pathologically try to justify their usurious rates by micing everything even when you play to six people, but I would feel comfortable using this rig on the road - it's pretty much the equivalent to my old Hartke halfstack, but $300 cheaper and with a little less headroom. shiksa posted:ive got a 100 watt acoustic bass amp, its loud as gently caress for small venues and bigger venues usually mic it up or line out anyway no matter the amp. "loud enough for a house show" is pretty much the only specification that matters imo. Agreed 100%. And those 100 watt Acoustic 115 combos are all over craigslist for about $125~, and they own serious bones. Guitar-wise, I have an 80s Peavey Bandit and a Vox AD50VT. Both were under $100 used, both are loud enough for a room, and I would feel comfortable touring on either. Expensive gear is neat and fun, don't get me wrong, but necessary is another thing entirely. Exceptions apply - even a spendthrift like me wouldn't dare show up and try to play doom metal while plugged into my little combos. It just doesn't fit the style. Pump the extra money into merch and fliers. Or at least into some dank pedals.
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I have been fairly good about bringing earplugs to most shows I see nowadays----though I did cheat a bit and listen to one song from My Bloody Valentine with no plugs, just for the experience. I've had tinnitus since childhood, though. Based on what I've read, it's probably related to the massive sinus infections and similar issues I'd get as a kid.
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IronLawnmower posted:The first concert I went to (Thunder, Whitensnake and Journey) I literally couldn't hear a single loving note it was so loud I just hurt like a constant high pitched almost feedback sounding noise and it was like the worst audio experience of my life. 3 hours of just this weird wall of noise that was meant to be radio friendly arena rock sounded like Vomir's next album. I'm not sure if it's the venue or not because when I saw Black Sabbath there the sound was loving perfect. That reminds me of this rider page I found (click for bigger) 
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Allen Wren posted:I have been fairly good about bringing earplugs to most shows I see nowadays----though I did cheat a bit and listen to one song from My Bloody Valentine with no plugs, just for the experience. I wonder if it would be disheartening for a band to see everyone in the audience wearing earplugs. Well, I guess it'd be fine unless everyone covered their ears and sang "la la la I can't hear you."
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ThePutty posted:you should probably get a hearing test done, i can't imagine listening to something that loud for 3 hours wouldn't do lasting damage I was a year or two ago now and I don't think it's damaged my hearing but I don't know for sure.
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Nov 22, 2014 23:34
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I've got tinnitus from having constant ear infections when I was younger. No hearing loss but it's annoying as gently caress, mine sounds EXACTLY like guitar feedback too. Irony.
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Fax Sender posted:um awful Sleepflower posted:Passable. actually it generally cheaper, i got a used 500w head with a new 4x10 cab and a new bass for about £800. my guitarists spent about that on their tube heads, with another £300 on their cabs, about £6-800 on their main guitars, £200 on new pickups and god knows how much on pedals, pedal boards and power supplies. obviously that isn't how much you HAVE to spend, but our gear is at about the same level of volume, quality, tone etc.
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Nov 23, 2014 01:24
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idk stux what makes the aesthetics of that worse than a blackmachine guitar
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don't like that wood or teles in general
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Fax Sender posted:idk stux what makes the aesthetics of that worse than a blackmachine guitar i don't like all black machines either tho some are ugly cod of the wood chiices
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ok. i like teles though. the wood reminds me of like, i dunno, wood panelling that youd see on a lovely wall or something or an old uncomfortable piece of furniture in your aunt's house.
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Nov 23, 2014 01:43
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it tries real hard to look like its not trying very hard
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ElectricHeir posted:I'm having a hard time believing this, but I play bari sax so everything is automatically five times more expensive. tenor sax master race
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Nov 23, 2014 02:24
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Saxophones sounds like someone is strangling a goose. Tenor or Baritone is just how big a goose you are strangling.
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Stux posted:awful Check out this contrarian fag
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HollisBrown posted:Check out this contrarian fag That Tele is hot garbage and I love Teles
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unlawfulsoup posted:Saxophones sounds like someone is strangling a goose. Tenor or Baritone is just how big a goose you are strangling.  HONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNK, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK.
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The only thing I don't like is the pearloid jack plate and the record pickguard. Probably could of picked a better looking piece of that wood for the top too. That huge dark spot kinda looks bad. Teles own though.
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TheChaosPath posted:That Tele is hot garbage and I love Teles The pickguard sucks as does the control plate but it would look aight with a parchment or mint green guard.
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WDE's wacky sax reminded me of this! I submit: That1Guy, and his crazy homemade instrument. Even has a smoke machine built into it.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3eUZqsjVHQ I have seen this dude live a couple times. He's really nice in person too. The best one was when he played in a band called the Frankenstein Brothers. It was just him and Buckethead, and was as weird as you would expect. edit: I basically have a thing for 1 man bands. They own.
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White Dog Eggs posted:
I like squeezeboxes and accordions, but holy hell that looks like an instrument crafted by the devil himself.
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HollisBrown posted:Check out this contrarian fag dont use that word
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Stux posted:dont use that word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg563t9WV2s
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Dirt posted:edit: I basically have a thing for 1 man bands. They own. http://youtu.be/uXMuWi0dUBc Autoowns because clown horn and kazoo
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White Dog Eggs posted:Granted I don't know too much about tube amps, but wouldn't turning the 'pre' knobs up get the valves running at a decent load without having to be turned up all the way? I modded my amp to have an extra pre-amp pot so I could get nice tube crunch without it being too loud. Yeah, it absolutely sounds fine. Tube spergs think only a cranked power tube is an acceptable sound but that poo poo is not even realistic talk for 95% of the hobbyists out there including the guys that post that kind of thing. I don't know if those guys really believe it or if they saw a famous person say it or what. I play for hours and if I was using a Plexi or something to get my gain, my neighbors simply would not have it. If I put the dial on my 5150 at 10 o'clock it's shaking windows and moving a lot of air. There's a point where tube amps are like owning non-street legal muscle cars. It's even true for the new tiny little tube amps. You use the classic gain channel on the DSL5 and it's going to be too loud for an apartment and unless you live alone it's up there even for a house. What most people end up having to do is swap out the tubes for ones that break up at lower volume or just playing with headphones.
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Stux posted:actually it generally cheaper, i got a used 500w head with a new 4x10 cab and a new bass for about £800. my guitarists spent about that on their tube heads, with another £300 on their cabs, about £6-800 on their main guitars, £200 on new pickups and god knows how much on pedals, pedal boards and power supplies. obviously that isn't how much you HAVE to spend, but our gear is at about the same level of volume, quality, tone etc. I also have Tinnitus, but it doesn't bother me much. I get a little sad having to wear earplugs when practicing because I really like how my rig sounds and I want to hear it properly. ZombieParts posted:Yeah, it absolutely sounds fine. Not even talking about cranking the PT's, just pushing them hard enough. If you haven't heard it yourself then IDK what to say, maybe it is something else but I'm not exactly quick to believe things that cost me money or convenience. e: Though in an apartment even a 5W isn't going to get there at the levels you can use. Tweaker is the best I've run into so far for getting it to sound right at low volumes.
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SaNChEzZ posted:http://youtu.be/uXMuWi0dUBc  Goons out of all people should understand the greatness of one man bands.
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