War Thunder - Red Team Bias [COMBINED ARMS ARE IN!]

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BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

ghetto wormhole posted:

At least during that situation you can coordinate with the other guy over allchat and meet somewhere. It'd be cool if Gaijin would stop assfucking themselves with their own heads and make it so they didn't reward running away all the time.

Communicating productively using chat?

# ? Nov 22, 2014 09:04

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 10:11

SkySteak: Sep 9, 2010

Not sure if this was posted but the prelminary US tech tree:

http://warthunder.com/en/news/2639-news-upcoming-us-armoured-vehicles-en

# ? Nov 22, 2014 09:20

Sard: May 11, 2012; Certified Poster of Culture.

Anyone lamenting the lack of SB tank battles, I found the secret: queue on the RU server during this apparently popular hour in Russia. Back to back SB fights and I'm even playing the more populated side. Haven't had to wait more than two minutes so far.

e: Jesus god drat everything, I'm okay with how most of tank combat works but cripes it somehow has even worse kill crediting than airplanes. Did you just remove most of the crew and turret mechanisms from a tank? Enjoy getting not so much as even an assist when someone kills it a few seconds later. Grazing shot on a tank that doesn't break a single thing? Here have an assist. Set a tank on fire and badly wound some of the crew? You get nothing when he bails out, good day fuckler!

Uuuuurrrgh.

Sard fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Nov 22, 2014

# ? Nov 22, 2014 09:30

Szcwczuk: Dec 20, 2011; I ruin everything

BBJoey posted:

it's cool when this happens inadvertently because there are only two players left and the map is spain or norway

I just don't play norway ever because this WILL happen 7/10.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 13:18

BadOptics: Sep 11, 2012

I think US teams are trying to lose. :psyduck:

# ? Nov 22, 2014 15:52

Michaellaneous: Oct 30, 2013

BBJoey posted:

Communicating productively using chat?

I think he might actually be suggesting that you can use the chat for something else than insults and shitposting.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 15:53

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

hreple posted:

Mind an awful lot sharing said profile? I'd love to give it a spin.

Also - thanks for positive feedback on the issue of SB being drat hard. It's nice to get good constructive feedback on the subject. It's drat hard, but oh so god drat exciting when you actually shoot something down.

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My profiles were located at C:\Program Files (x86)\NaturalPoint\TrackIR5\Profiles (absolutely nothing in appdata...) and I imagine you are able to create a text file, copy the poo poo above, save as xml and be gravy. Maybe.

Note that the halves are not symmetrical. My monitor is not perpendicular to my desk/head so symmetry really sucked for me.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 16:01

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

This is the kind of top-tier teamwork you can expect to see when you fly with true cyberaces like Vahakyla and me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul9mhQ0QXRI

Sometimes wingmen getting critted up all alone on the other side of the map is just the price of doing business in LAME.

mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Nov 22, 2014

# ? Nov 22, 2014 17:52

Zsinjeh: Jun 11, 2007; :shoboobs:

That was the coolest loving game, gonna check that sweet replay

# ? Nov 22, 2014 18:54

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

Guys, after trying out the Cr. 42 and the Mc202 with you. We really ought to fly the Bf 109 E1. Yes it only has 4x MG17 (but 3k rounds). That's enough for 5 kills per rounds, without having to land. It is a 109, with the same BR as the Yak-1. How can you say no to that?
Kills: Yak-1, I-16, Yak-7 and 2x I-153.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 19:07

Asproigerosis: Mar 13, 2013; insufferable

Should I put points into more experienced gunners, or is that a bad idea?

# ? Nov 22, 2014 19:10

Shanakin: Mar 26, 2010; The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?

Asproigerosis posted:

Should I put points into more experienced gunners, or is that a bad idea?

If you like flying bombers it doesn't hurt to have a bomber slot or two with good gunner skills. Just realise that even if you max them out, which takes a lot of xp, or a few bucks, they still wont be snipers.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 19:26

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

Shanakin posted:

If you like flying bombers it doesn't hurt to have a bomber slot or two with good gunner skills. Just realise that even if you max them out, which takes a lot of xp, or a few bucks, they still wont be snipers.

And don't bother doing it on german crews. I'm pretty sure that the german gunners have been modelled to be totally drunk.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 19:33

Shanakin: Mar 26, 2010; The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?

If you're flying a B-17 or G-8N or generally something bristling in big guns, then you will be somewhat more dangerous, but they will still miss more than they hit unless they really sit still on your rear end within range.

It's also worth noting that the popular manoeuvre for bombers under threat of hard diving to the deck from 6k as soon as there's a threat (or basically pulling a more than a couple of Gs in general) will outright make your gunners useless for a while.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 19:47

Zsinjeh: Jun 11, 2007; :shoboobs:

Asproigerosis posted:

Should I put points into more experienced gunners, or is that a bad idea?

Just note that even if you get fully maxed out gunners they won't start shooting at planes until they're about 7-600 meters out which is sometimes way too late to do any significant damage, so you will still be better off to aim manually. Though the stats you put into them will reflect into your manual accuracy and reload as well.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 19:48

Thief: Jan 28, 2011

Shanakin posted:

It's also worth noting that the popular manoeuvre for bombers under threat of hard diving to the deck from 6k as soon as there's a threat (or basically pulling a more than a couple of Gs in general) will outright make your gunners useless for a while.

That's because they're pinned to the loving ceiling before they fall onto the floor and have to crawl like 10 feet back to their gun. Hopefully in the future, plane sims will feature unconscious crew members ragdolling around the inside of the plane. Also blood should splatter on the glass when you pilot snipe someone or kill a gunner.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 19:56

my kinda ape: Sep 15, 2008; Everything's gonna be A-OK; Oven Wrangler

Shanakin posted:

It's also worth noting that the popular manoeuvre for bombers under threat of hard diving to the deck from 6k as soon as there's a threat (or basically pulling a more than a couple of Gs in general) will outright make your gunners useless for a while.

Yup, the best defense when in a bomber is to fly straight and level and manually control your guns, any hard maneuvers just slightly prolong your death while making your gunners not shoot at all.

The exception is if something really dangerous like a 190 F-8 is hurtling out of the sky at high speed to blast you, then it might be worth trying to dodge so he has to come back at a lower speed and you can shoot him much more easily.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 19:57

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

But if you pull too hard at higher speeds your wings will continue flying straight while your bomber tumbles downwards. This does also happen if a Me 410B6/R3 happens to be near any US/UK bombers.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 20:17

Shanakin: Mar 26, 2010; The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?

Thief posted:

That's because they're pinned to the loving ceiling before they fall onto the floor and have to crawl like 10 feet back to their gun. Hopefully in the future, plane sims will feature unconscious crew members ragdolling around the inside of the plane. Also blood should splatter on the glass when you pilot snipe someone or kill a gunner.

Yeah that's mostly what I was getting at but I guess I should have more explicitly said that blacking out all your gunners tends to harm their ability to shoot planes for you.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 20:31

Fart Car '97: Jul 23, 2003

mlmp08 posted:

This is the kind of top-tier teamwork you can expect to see when you fly with true cyberaces like Vahakyla and me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul9mhQ0QXRI

Sometimes wingmen getting critted up all alone on the other side of the map is just the price of doing business in LAME.

LAME doesn't really do business as much as ruin the business of all involved

# ? Nov 22, 2014 20:38

Asproigerosis: Mar 13, 2013; insufferable

Is there a place/game mode where stukas aren't depressingly lackluster to fly?

# ? Nov 22, 2014 20:42

Kitfox88: Aug 21, 2007; Anybody lose their glasses?

I just wish you had gunner markers on the plane paper doll so you knew which fuckers had been knocked out or injured. :catstare:

# ? Nov 22, 2014 20:45

Mr Darcy: Feb 8, 2006

ghetto wormhole posted:

Yup, the best defense when in a bomber is to fly straight and level and manually control your guns, any hard maneuvers just slightly prolong your death while making your gunners not shoot at all.

The exception is if something really dangerous like a 190 F-8 is hurtling out of the sky at high speed to blast you, then it might be worth trying to dodge so he has to come back at a lower speed and you can shoot him much more easily.

I've had reasonable results in a B25 at ground level. Having a gunner wing a fighter and hence claim the kill as a pubbie zooms and booms straight into the ground is always fun. This was before the bomber damage nerf though so you results may vary.

Asproigerosis posted:

Is there a place/game mode where stukas aren't depressingly lackluster to fly?

The D5 with it's wheels removed in RB?

As long as you can avoid enemy attention the G2 and G3 do okay in RB too.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 20:54

Ghosts n Gopniks: Nov 2, 2004; Imagine how much more sad and lonely we would be if not for the hard work of lowtax. Here's $12.95 to his aid.

Kitfox88 posted:

I just wish you had gunner markers on the plane paper doll so you knew which fuckers had been knocked out or injured.

50 Mission Crush + WT oh god please.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 20:55

Thief: Jan 28, 2011

Asproigerosis posted:

Is there a place/game mode where stukas aren't depressingly lackluster to fly?

Sim Battles. This applies to basically every plane in the game.

Or you could just buy Il-2:BoS for the best Stuka experience.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 20:56

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

Asproigerosis posted:

Is there a place/game mode where stukas aren't depressingly lackluster to fly?

The B2 Stuka gets into interesting matches in which you can either seal club new players in reserve planes and/or win the match due to ground targets killed. It also has some nice camos to unlock:

StG 77 camouflage, destroy 50 ground targets (RB kills count x2)

EDIT
Which 190? Some sit between a rock and a hard place.
vvvvvv

Tank Boy Ken fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Nov 22, 2014

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:00

Asproigerosis: Mar 13, 2013; insufferable

Oh also why does everyone make fun of the Fw190? I'm much better in it than the 109, probably because I'm bad.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:01

Fart Car '97: Jul 23, 2003

Asproigerosis posted:

Oh also why does everyone make fun of the Fw190? I'm much better in it than the 109, probably because I'm bad.

It's a very one-dimensional plane not really made for dogfighting, in a game where most rounds are won by dogfighting. It can dive on people and zoom away, and that's about it. The 109s are much more enjoyable to fly from a ~pilot poo poo~ standpoint. 190s can do well on the basis that people are bad and the nature of the game means it can be easy to put your guns on unaware people. They also do well in head ons because the guns are mounted in an advantageous way and there are a lot of them, people love them for this, but the 109 is still a better dogfighter.

The 109 is Formula 1 car, the 190 is a drag racer.

Fart Car '97 fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Nov 22, 2014

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:14

Thief: Jan 28, 2011

Also Wheraboos are in love with 109s because most of the best Germany aces flew it irl.

They are both energy fighters but the 109 is surprisingly versatile while the 190 is more of a one trick pony. Generally if you can aim well enough 109s are a better plane for chaotic furballs where you will have to change your tactics up despite having a lower dive speed and rollrate. Most 109s can easily dive at over 700kmph and outrun most planes that they cannot turn with so speed is not really an issue.

When it comes to Sim battles, the 190 is probably better because as a plane it just flies much easier and has a ton of guns/ammo to kill anything you even get a glancing hit on.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:17

EmpyreanFlux: Mar 1, 2013; The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

Fart Car '97 posted:

It's a very one-dimensional plane not really made for dogfighting, in a game where most rounds are won by dogfighting. It can dive on people and zoom away, and that's about it. The 109s are much more enjoyable to fly from a ~pilot poo poo~ standpoint. 190s can do well on the basis that people are bad and the nature of the game means it can be easy to put your guns on unaware people. They also do well in head ons because the guns are mounted in an advantageous way and there are a lot of them, people love them for this, but the 109 is still a better dogfighter.

The 109 is Formula 1 car, the 190 is a drag racer.

How does this not make the P-47 bad too? Like, the P-47 seems to be a worse FW190.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:25

Thief: Jan 28, 2011

If you're more familiar with :911:

planes, the 109 is like the German equivalent to the P-51 while the 190 is comparable to the P-47.

P-47s are notoriously bad at low altitude and should only by flying that low if they have explosives mounted for ground attacks. But when either of these planes gains a significant altitude advantage, they are literally untouchable. The trick is just getting above your enemy in the first place.

The main appeal of the P-47 is that when flown properly you are basically guaranteed that you will be able return to base no matter what happens out there:

Thief fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Nov 22, 2014

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:25

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Is there a point to the tanks with 20mm cannons?

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:29

Fart Car '97: Jul 23, 2003

FaustianQ posted:

How does this not make the P-47 bad too? Like, the P-47 seems to be a worse FW190.

Because the P-47 is hilariously fat and it's like the fat kid on the football team that isn't athletic but the team keeps him around because every now and then he just runs someone the gently caress over and it's really entertaining.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:32

EmpyreanFlux: Mar 1, 2013; The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

Thief posted:

If you're more familiar with planes, the 109 is like the German equivalent to the P-51 while the 190 is comparable to the P-47.

P-47s are notoriously bad at low altitude and should only by flying that low if they have explosives mounted for ground attacks. But when either of these planes gains a significant altitude advantage, they are literally untouchable. The trick is just getting above your enemy in the first place.

Except the BF109 is pretty superior as a fighter compared to the P-51 and the P-47 is pretty inferior to the FW190? And if we talking about sideclimbing, I've met my fair share of German and British pilots who do the same, or just race towards the edge of the map to catch sideclimbers anyway. And even if I get to 7k, no one is there to fight against, I usually have to drop to 4-5km anyway, there is no compelling reason for anyone to be so dumb to go fight Ameriplanes where they are better, and if I don't get I get harassed for being an astronaut. That's if the game isn't basically over at that point :unsmith:

Maybe if (oh god) bombers airspawned at ~6km fights would start happening there, at least in the beginning.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:39

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

StashAugustine posted:

Is there a point to the tanks with 20mm cannons?

To make you reeeeaallly hate starting out with Germany?

I guess they're good at shredding the few open topped things like the Russian AT tractor and AA trucks.

They're an exercise in frustration though. Last I checked the Panzer 2 can't penetrate the basic Stug from any angle

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:47

Fart Car '97: Jul 23, 2003

FaustianQ posted:

Except the BF109 is pretty superior as a fighter compared to the P-51

lol

They're really well matched, it pretty much comes down to whoever starts the engagement with the energy advantage. People seriously seriously underestimate how nimble the P-51 is if it's moving over 300kph.

Fart Car '97 fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Nov 22, 2014

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:48

Asproigerosis: Mar 13, 2013; insufferable

So now that I have an aircraft carrier of corsairs, how are they supposed to be flown? Energy fighting?

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:56

EmpyreanFlux: Mar 1, 2013; The AUDACITY! The IMPUDENCE! The unabated NERVE!

Fart Car '97 posted:

lol

They're really well matched, it pretty much comes down to whoever starts the engagement with the energy advantage. People seriously seriously underestimate how nimble the P-51 is if it's moving over 300kph.

Which it'll promptly bleed speed from while the BF109 just regains it within a few moments. The P-51 has an energy retention advantage and a max speed advantage, while the BF109 has advantages in every other category, including ones important for dogtfighting. With two players of equal skill, the BF109 will almost always win.

EDIT:

Asproigerosis posted:

So now that I have an aircraft carrier of corsairs, how are they supposed to be flown? Energy fighting?

Get higher than everyone else, boom and zoom them, run away from anything higher than you, never energy fight anything that isn't a FW190.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:57

AMISH FRIED PIES: Mar 6, 2009; by Nyc_Tattoo

Asproigerosis posted:

So now that I have an aircraft carrier of corsairs, how are they supposed to be flown? Energy fighting?

Like this:

# ? Nov 22, 2014 21:59

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 10:11

Fart Car '97: Jul 23, 2003

FaustianQ posted:

Which it'll promptly bleed speed from while the BF109 just regains it within a few moments. The P-51 has an energy retention advantage and a max speed advantage, while the BF109 has advantages in every other category, including ones important for dogtfighting. With two players of equal skill, the BF109 will almost always win.

EDIT:

Get higher than everyone else, boom and zoom them, run away from anything higher than you, never energy fight anything that isn't a FW190.

The P-51 is more nimble at speed than the 109s it faces (except the K-4 I suppose). You don't really have any reason to not kill a 109 if you're attacking with an energy advantage. They can turn inside you if you're doing 600, but between 300-500kph if you fail to kill a 109 it's your own drat fault for having bad aim.

People parrot the 'P-51 doesn't turn as well as the 109s' mantra but that is only the case at low speeds.

# ? Nov 22, 2014 22:00

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