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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Vetitum posted:

Cool, I'll try that. Thanks!

Scrap.tf is also helping in trying to finally pin down Killstreak items to a single price each so they might have Scattergun kits.

edit: gently caress, forgot to link http://scrap.tf/killstreaks

RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Nov 22, 2014

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Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Otacon posted:

Just so you're all aware, TF2 keys have officially hit 11 refined each.

Anyone else remember 2.33ref keys?

:negative:

Funny thing is, 11 ref doesn't feel as hard to get for me now as 2.33 did a couple years ago. Probably because I have every weapon so every drop is +metal.

But yeah, keys' price-in-refined will keep going up until refined stops plummeting in value. Metal needs some sort of use, something that removes it from the system at least as fast as it's created. People don't craft 3 refined together to make hats as much as they used to, since the chances of getting one you particularly want are worse and worse. (Really, Valve needs to overhaul the entire crafting system one of these days. There's a ton of obsolete junk in there, like tokens.)

My favorite ideas for Metal uses:
(1) Better crafting recipes that are relevant to the huge variety of hats that exist now.
(2) Silly economy toys, like a reusable giftapult that costs metal per-use. I'd use it to get rid of junk I don't want but isn't worth trading (except for pure deletion-fodder like crates).

Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Nov 22, 2014

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

Moddington posted:

Today I finally realized that with the new taunt menu, to taunt you type 'gg'. :aaa:

On my controller it's XX. :v:

Otacon posted:

Here's a video showing the change, as well as some tinfoil things - the change is shown after 40 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ffup4fu3Rw

Well we did just have an update centered around BREAD so...

Altared State
Jan 14, 2006

I think I was born to burn
I think all the new updates are trying to get rid of people with old pcs. TF2 has frozen my pc twice tonight.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE

Peanut President posted:

Well we did just have an update centered around BREAD so...

It would be loving great if the teleporters stopped doing the bread thing, though. That update was months ago. Are they literally going to do that for as long as TF2 is around? Has no one at valve ever experienced a joke going stale?

QwertySanchez
Jun 19, 2009

a wacky guy
Haha! Stale.

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Paul MaudDib posted:

It would be loving great if the teleporters stopped doing the bread thing, though. That update was months ago. Are they literally going to do that for as long as TF2 is around? Has no one at valve ever experienced a joke going stale?

Knowing Valve, the bread is now inextricably tied into the teleporter code, and they can't remove it without horrible breaking several completely unrelated things.

FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

Me bad posting? That's unpossible!
Lipstick Apathy

Paul MaudDib posted:

It would be loving great if the teleporters stopped doing the bread thing, though. That update was months ago. Are they literally going to do that for as long as TF2 is around? Has no one at valve ever experienced a joke going stale?

Doesn't the sniper still have the cut from Meet the Spy? This bread thing could stick around for a while.

Slime
Jan 3, 2007
Just spent a fair part of a round constantly harrassing a trio of engineers all building in the same place. Run up, sap some things with the red-tape recorder, pop my DR and sit by their dispensers. Did you know that dropping DR next to a dispenser that's filled your cloak meter while you're cloaked let's you immediately pop DR when you uncloak? They didn't. I just kept sapping their things forever. I should have led them into a false sense of security by using the red-tape then later switching to stock, but then they had pyros hanging around to cover their ineptitude.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

notZaar posted:

Doesn't the sniper still have the cut from Meet the Spy? This bread thing could stick around for a while.

Once out of every hundred times a Scout is gibbed, a dove flies away.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




So, I don't know if this is a widely spread problem but I've been having problems with my mouse double clicking or just not registering properly. So things like the Soldier's backpacks [since I like to hold onto the buffs and then just take my finger off the button to activate], the flamethrowers and SMG aren't as useful now because I can't rely on them working well when I need them.

I'm using a Logitech M510 Wireless Mouse for my laptop.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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It is shocking, shocking how easy it is to get away with hacking on a Valve server. There was a spy recently who was getting Ambassador headshots on cloaked spies from across the map and twice I tried to votekick him, both of which failed because people didn't just not vote, they outright voted no. Then he votes to kick me and it passes.

So I don't know if he had just brought a bunch of buddies with him or if people are just that stupid but I'm leaning towards the latter.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
Well 90% of the time when they try to kick the hacker they kick someone else by accident. I've even seen a new thing where they leave the server right as it passes then instantly rejoin after to dodge it.

Barnaby Rudge
Jan 15, 2011

so your telling me you wasn't drunk or fucked up in anyway.when you had sex with me and that monkey
Soiled Meat

Fojar38 posted:

It is shocking, shocking how easy it is to get away with hacking on a Valve server. There was a spy recently who was getting Ambassador headshots on cloaked spies from across the map and twice I tried to votekick him, both of which failed because people didn't just not vote, they outright voted no. Then he votes to kick me and it passes.

So I don't know if he had just brought a bunch of buddies with him or if people are just that stupid but I'm leaning towards the latter.

You have to engineer pubbies a bit, sometimes "I'm pretty sure that guy is hacking, anyone else getting headshot from really far away" will be enough to single the hacker out so people will vote to kick them out. It's dumb but it works.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

White Dog Eggs posted:

You have to engineer pubbies a bit, sometimes "I'm pretty sure that guy is hacking, anyone else getting headshot from really far away" will be enough to single the hacker out so people will vote to kick them out. It's dumb but it works.

Valve vote-kicks are the best use for my Political Science degree I've come up with yet. I start by solidifying my base, create controversy by Just Asking Questions™ and when the time is right use the elite hack known as "ESC, click vote menu."

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

Peanut President posted:

Well 90% of the time when they try to kick the hacker they kick someone else by accident. I've even seen a new thing where they leave the server right as it passes then instantly rejoin after to dodge it.

I believe that was patched out last month. My anti-hacker methodology is to call the vote, then immediately say in server-wide chat that the person is hacking. "he is hacking vote yes hit f1" usually does the trick.

When the hacker calls a vote on you and it instantly passes, I usually figure they've got a couple buddies with them, it isn't unknown.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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The trouble is that the people who notice that he's hacking (barring a really obvious LMAOBOX Heavy micpamming while spinning across the map at mach 8 mowing entire teams with a stream of permacrit nospread minigun fire) tend to be people on the opposite team, and you can't call votekicks on people who aren't on your team.

So you have two options: either switch to their team to initiate the vote (which is hard because you can't even spectate very easily on valve servers anymore) or beg them to kick the hacker, and if the hacker is being subtle just enough pubbies might think that he's just good and not hacking. And bear in mind that any vote on a Valve server is already handicapped by the fact that usually at least half the server is so clueless they don't know how to vote, let alone determine something so complex as "Is that spy on the 43 killstreak with an Ambassador while standing uncloacked and undisguised out in the open maybe hacking?"

Also, this guy wasn't being passive. My votekicks while saying "Douchebag is hacking, f1" fell on deaf ears while his calls of "Fojar is idle, f1" apparently worked. Maybe he had buddies, I dunno.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
Part of the problem is every other server has someone bitching that x is "OBVIOUSLY HACKING OH MY GAAAWD" so people just ignore it as being salty.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Yeah, if I see someone in chat complaining of a hacker, I go Scout and try to find them and kill them. Usually, I succeed (even if it's a life or two later), and conclude they aren't hacking.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I just ask them "how do you know they're hacking" and the truth pretty quickly reveals itself

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I usually spectate them. Either they're revealed really quickly or they suddenly start to suck whenever I'm spectating them, in which case I don't stop spectating them.

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

One of my fondest memories in TF2 is using the Disciplinary Action to speed up a Heavy with the GRU and then he got kicked for hacking.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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I love it when someone accuses a soldier or demo of hacking.

What, he's aimbotting with his shotgun?

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

I guess in theory a demo could be using wallhacks or something

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


I never go to STAR_'s server anymore cause it's plagued with hackers. Incredibly obvious "heavy kills you from across the map without looking at you" hackers, yet they never get banned. It's a shame because I get fantastic ping on that server, not a lot of east coast ones these days.

Lady Naga
Apr 25, 2008

Voyons Donc!

Baron von Eevl posted:

I love it when someone accuses a soldier or demo of hacking.

What, he's aimbotting with his shotgun?

Projectile aimbots exist. They're a bit harder to control than hitscan ones for sure, but it's still pretty obvious.

ninjewtsu
Oct 9, 2012

Does a video exist of that? I'm curious as to what that looks like

No. No more dancing!
Jun 15, 2006
Let 'er rip, dude!
A decent demoman with wallhacks is really powerful since they do damage around corners and can very easily set off sticky traps from safety. Most projectile aimbotters I've run into used the direct hit for obvious reasons. I'm pretty sure there is an automatic reflect hack for pyro as well, as I've run into a couple pyros that reflect every rocket shot at them, including ones from the back. You can spectate people to see if they are using aimbots pretty easily, or look for the player who has perfect aim but moves and plays like a retard. A soldier who lands every direct hit rocket but can't rocket jump to save his life, or a pyro who reflects rockets from behind but doesn't turn around to deal with you are both pretty obvious after a short period of time.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

Fojar38 posted:

It is shocking, shocking how easy it is to get away with hacking on a Valve server. There was a spy recently who was getting Ambassador headshots on cloaked spies from across the map and twice I tried to votekick him, both of which failed because people didn't just not vote, they outright voted no. Then he votes to kick me and it passes.

So I don't know if he had just brought a bunch of buddies with him or if people are just that stupid but I'm leaning towards the latter.

VAC bans are delayed so he could have detected already it just hadn't kicked in yet.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Jippa posted:

VAC bans are delayed so he could have detected already it just hadn't kicked in yet.

Yeah but it doesn't actually do anything; cheaters make throwaway accounts and just play on those. If I'm killed by a default Sniper now I get suspicious :sigh:

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

CoolCab posted:

Yeah but it doesn't actually do anything; cheaters make throwaway accounts and just play on those. If I'm killed by a default Sniper now I get suspicious :sigh:

Getting free games on steam should proooobably require you to have at least spent some money in the past.

Pickle dicker
May 25, 2014

by XyloJW

Jimbone Tallshanks posted:

One of my fondest memories in TF2 is using the Disciplinary Action to speed up a Heavy with the GRU and then he got kicked for hacking.

The same day that soldier whip got added, I found one and immediately got a trade offer of 2 rec for it :allears:
It helped me to get together enough metal, to craft a hat.
Oh god I just remembered that valve got rid of the hat slot.
They're all misc's now.
:smith:

FedEx Mercury
Jan 7, 2004

Me bad posting? That's unpossible!
Lipstick Apathy

Slime posted:

Getting free games on steam should proooobably require you to have at least spent some money in the past.

That goes against the entire free to play model though. Things like hackers and cheaters can never be fully eliminated, it's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

Tollymain
Jul 9, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pickle dicker posted:

Oh god I just remembered that valve got rid of the hat slot.
They're all misc's now.
:smith:

why is this a bad thing

El Burbo
Oct 10, 2012


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=279606405

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?
So... It's a scatter that makes you invincible and mini-crits all the time?

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

It looks like a dingdong

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

HoboWithAShotgun posted:

So... It's a scatter that makes you invincible and mini-crits all the time?

Except the crit-a-cola scattergun doesn't even make you minicrit anymore. :(

The original Soda Popper was terrible and annoying, and the jumps are fun and inoffensive, but I'm still sad that it doesn't tie in to the Crit-A-Cola model anymore. They could have found a balanced way to make it deliver minicrits.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

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Simple solution, make crit-a-cola give you bigger/more jumps instead of minicrits.

Of course, it's still called crit-a-cola. I guess because it could have you take minicrits in exchange?

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awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Baron von Eevl posted:

Of course, it's still called crit-a-cola.
No random crits.

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